On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 01:32:17PM -0400, ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names for
> existing allocations, which is information that will take a while to
> obtain. They ar
On 4/26/2012 7:09 PM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
ome "show" commands will show DHCP server usage, but not conclusive
proof of the utilization of the address space. Because the show
commands are not independently verifiable -- for all the RIR knows,
someone plugged in a big stack of $10 modems just to re
On 4/26/12, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
>> It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32 static
>> assignments which make up the smallest fraction of space compared to the
>> huge blocks of dhcp pools (pools which justify allocations on
On Apr 26, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>> If resources are used to provide service to a customer, it is not
>> unreasonable that ARIN require that this to be shown, what customer,
>> etc -- the org. assigning or reallocating the resources is re
On 4/26/12, Jack Bates wrote:
>> In addition to this documentation, for reallocations of /29 or more
>> IPs, SWIP or Rwhois is also required by policy.
> It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32
> static assignments which make up the smallest fraction of space compared
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:31:44AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
> > I sometimes wonder what happens to that information; if it sits around
> > in an archive somewhere in the vast digital repositories of ARIN
> > awaiting someone to steal it.
>
> That's
On 4/26/12, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
>> In addition to this documentation, for reallocations of /29 or more
>> IPs, SWIP or Rwhois is also required by policy.
>
> It is unreasonable to require detailed customer information on /32
> static assignments which mak
On 4/26/12, Joe Maimon wrote:
> Owen DeLong wrote:
>> RWHOIS is a perfectly valid alternative to SWIP.
> I actually got RWHOIS working a while back. But then faced with the
> prospect of loading it up, I decided that ARIN templates were actually
> easier to use.
The rwhois software from about 10
On 4/26/2012 1:05 AM, Jimmy Hess wrote:
If resources are used to provide service to a customer, it is not
unreasonable that ARIN require that this to be shown, what customer,
etc -- the org. assigning or reallocating the resources is required
to have documented this.
In addition to this docum
Though to be fair that is probably legacy and level3 does swip its customers.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 8:19 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
>
> suresh@frodo 07:41:38 :~$ telnet rwhois.level3.net 4321
> Trying 209.244.1.179...
> ^C [keeps timing out]
--
Suresh Ramasubramanian (ops.li...@gmail
They do, they do .. but there's all kinds of rwhois unfortunately.
suresh@frodo 07:41:38 :~$ telnet rwhois.level3.net 4321
Trying 209.244.1.179...
^C [keeps timing out]
suresh@frodo 07:48:17 :~$ telnet rwhois.hostnoc.net 4321
Trying 64.191.49.26...
Connected to rwhois.hostnoc.net.
Escape characte
Actually, most of the ISPs I know that use RWHOIS instead of SWIP do so tying
the RWHOIS server into their IP management database through an automated
process (if not just live queries).
However, you are right that most ISPs use SWIP.
Owen
On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:02 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrot
It is an extremely rare ISP that has an rwhois server, and then
ensures that it remains available, up and answering queries.
And even rarer when the ISP ensures that its rwhois records are up to
date and not hopelessly stale.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>
>
> Owen DeLong w
Owen DeLong wrote:
RWHOIS is a perfectly valid alternative to SWIP.
Owen
I actually got RWHOIS working a while back. But then faced with the
prospect of loading it up, I decided that ARIN templates were actually
easier to use.
And with their restful interface, even more so.
Unless
On 4/25/12, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/25/2012 10:31 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> There is nothing whatsoever wrong with providing the information to
>> ARIN under NDA. ARIN provides a very good (IMHO) plain English mutual
--
> Sure, and small ISP techs immediately think of NDAs when talking to
> ARIN.
This is the first time I've seen ARIN request actual individual names.
I've had them requests SWIP and I've had them request exact user counts,
and I generally get much larger allocations than what was being
allocated. In addition, all their numbers matched up with all of my
numbers and the all
On Apr 25, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Andy Susag wrote:
> We just recently "wrastled" with ARIN to get a whopping /22 from them,
> it wasn't very easy.
>
> Keeping record of what you have allocated downstream is important and I
> totally agree with ARIN insisting this be done. Luckily as long as you
> ha
"Andy Susag" writes:
> Seems kind of counterproductive to ARIN though. I wouldn't think they'd
> like a database full of fudged SWIP info, but I guess they're OK with
> it...
They require an officer attestation. SWIP info that is made up out of
whole cloth sounds suspiciously like fraud to me,
: 'Kenneth McRae'; 'Owen DeLong'
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
I got a new allocation about 18 months ago. I sent them a spread sheet
of the users and their current IPs. I changed the real customer name to
something that reflected what business the
No I am speaking about my previous positons with large providers, telco,
etc.
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Kenneth McRae <
> kenneth.mc...@dreamhost.com> wrote:
>
>> I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address spa
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, -Hammer- wrote:
Killing me softly Owen
The difference is subtle, but important.
jms
Killing me softly Owen
-Hammer-
"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer
On 4/25/2012 1:15 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
Nope... You paid for and received registration services for a block of IP
Addresses.
Anyone can use those integers for many purposes, but, only you are registered
to use
Nope... You paid for and received registration services for a block of IP
Addresses.
Anyone can use those integers for many purposes, but, only you are registered
to use them as
topological identifiers on the internet according to ARIN and the other RIRs.
Owen
On Apr 25, 2012, at 10:59 AM, -Ha
Sorry everyone. Bad choice of words. I simply meant they have their
money and we have our allocation.
Stand down. Move along. Nothing to see here.
-Hammer-
"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer
On 4/25/2012 11:55 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquis
purchase/lease/rent/titlepawn/etc. We paid for and got a block of IPs.
-Hammer-
"I was a normal American nerd"
-Jack Herer
On 4/25/2012 11:13 AM, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:54:39 -0500, -Hammer- said:
I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv
nog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Squeezing IPs out of ARIN
I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space would
be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoar
No, you didn't. You may have completed the acquisition of a large IPv6 block,
but you did not purchase it.
Number resources are not property and cannot be bought and/or sold.
What you pay to ARIN pays for registration services (the registration of the
numbers, not the numbers themselves). While
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012 10:54:39 -0500, -Hammer- said:
> I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 block.
"purchase"??!?
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On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 AM, Kenneth McRae
wrote:
> I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space
> would be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
>
Probably because you are an "end user".
If you're talking about AS26347, I don't think there is any
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Chuck Anderson wrote:
RWHOIS is a perfectly valid alternative to SWIP.
Can a downstream ISP SWIP records if their upstream ISP uses RWHOIS
for the block that is further delegated to that downstream ISP?
I would think so, but it might also depend on how the space is deleg
I can say that I recently completed the purchase of a large IPv6 block.
We've had several large V4 blocks for years and got them with very
little effort. For this block, we had to provide a detailed list of all
our physical locations as well as how the IP schema would be utilized. I
also had to
On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Kenneth McRae wrote:
I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space would
be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
When I worked at an ISP, we provided the names of companies to whom we
assigned address space, but not individual
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 08:28:35AM -0700, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:23 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
> >> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> >> allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names f
I have never provided the names of end users.. How the address space would
be utilized? Definitely.. But not the names of end users...
On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:34 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is required
> is what
> has been required f
There is not a new policy added on to prevent hoarding. What is required is what
has been required for several years. Utilization information and proper
justification.
If you are seeking an ISP allocation, then, reassignment (customer) information
is
in fact part of that utilization information.
On Apr 24, 2012, at 9:57 PM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 2:00 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I know that the ARIN process can, on occasion be tricky to navigate if you
>> don't
>> understand the subtleties of how some of the terminology is defined and that
>> people
>> often use terms which hav
On Apr 25, 2012, at 3:23 AM, Joe Maimon wrote:
>
>
> ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
>> allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names for
>> existing allocations, which is information that will take a while to
>>
Negative.. I have never had to provide end user information. I have been
required to provide utilization information. I am sure this "policy" is
and add-on to make it more difficult to prevent hoarding..
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32
ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names for
existing allocations, which is information that will take a while to
obtain. They are insisting that this is standard process and som
On 4/25/2012 12:57 AM, Jack Bates wrote:
> On 4/24/2012 2:00 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> I know that the ARIN process can, on occasion be tricky to navigate
>> if you don't
>> understand the subtleties of how some of the terminology is defined
>> and that people
>> often use terms which have very spe
On 4/24/2012 2:00 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
I know that the ARIN process can, on occasion be tricky to navigate if you don't
understand the subtleties of how some of the terminology is defined and that
people
often use terms which have very specific meanings to ARIN staff members to have
a much bro
On 4/24/12, ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names for
> existing allocations, which is information that will take a while to
> obtain. They are insisting that this is standar
On Apr 24, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>> That's not entirely true. What you say applies to one possible way for an
>> ISP to get an allocation. It does not apply at all to end-users.
>
> Even for end-user allocations, they w
On 24-Apr-12 12:32, ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user
> allocation they are requesting that we provide customer names for
> existing allocations, which is information that will take a while to
> obtain.
There are no "end-user allocati
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> That's not entirely true. What you say applies to one possible way for an
> ISP to get an allocation. It does not apply at all to end-users.
Even for end-user allocations, they would still need to fulfill the
requirements of 4.3.3 in the ARIN
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012 ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user allocation
they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing allocations,
which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
that this is sta
On Apr 24, 2012, at 10:47 AM, Jonathan Lassoff wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, wrote:
>> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user allocation
>> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing allocations,
>> which is information that will take a
On Tue, 24 Apr 2012, ad...@thecpaneladmin.com wrote:
Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user allocation
they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing allocations,
which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
that this is st
On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:32 AM, wrote:
> Anyone have any tips for getting IPs from ARIN? For an end-user allocation
> they are requesting that we provide customer names for existing allocations,
> which is information that will take a while to obtain. They are insisting
> that this is standard
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