On Mar 25, 2014, at 12:53 PM, Bob Evans wrote:
> Like every governing body, it's easy to criticize it. However, if it were
> some big monopoly with giant hidden agendas accomplished behind closed
> doors, I wouldn't see networks like Verizon disappointed at an ARIN
> meeting as their perspective
On 3/24/2014 9:03 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
[0] As a member of the nominating committee in question, I will disagree with
your claim that our declining to nominate you constitutes rigging the election.
While I can’t disclose the details due to NDA restrictions on the NomCom,
I will say that in my ex
On 3/25/2014 11:53 AM, Bob Evans wrote:
I like term limits for every governing body - except when it's a company I
built with my money. :-)
I have absolutely no business jumping into this discussion, but it keeps
hammering on a topic that interests me in other venues: "term limits".
I am
Randy (et al):
Included below is the response by Joe Sims (Jones Day) to Professor
Froomkin's similar arguments in 1999. I include it because it's not
that long but the link is:
http://archive.icann.org/en/comments-mail/comment-bylaws/msg00025.html
I found it interesting and very readable. No
Randy,
Thanks for giving me a lead in!
ARIN has been gradually evolving and tweaking the governance over the past
fifteen years. Given it’s a small board it’s been generally done at the full
Board historically.
We’ve recently started to take a long look at a variety of issues to see if
there
I have just as many issues getting ARIN IP space as the next guy and
companies like Verizon. I do vote - yes half the time I am not sure,
exactly who I am voting for from just a bio and candidate paragraph.
As a result, I decided to attend ARIN meetings. I have been to about six
ARIN meetings in
[ you're cheating, you're in an asian time zone! ]
> I have nothing against term limits (but I also did not champion them back
> when I was an elected member of the Board of Trustees.) Many cite risk
> of losing well-qualified and experienced Board members right when they
> are most productive a
On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> I do not agree with the characterization that "... we are ruled by
>> self-perptuating monopolies which lack oversight and accountability",
>
> when you have a governance committee which is composed of the governing,
> not outsiders and governanc
> I do not agree with the characterization that "... we are ruled by
> self-perptuating monopolies which lack oversight and accountability",
when you have a governance committee which is composed of the governing,
not outsiders and governance experts, with no term limits, it would seem
hard to sup
paul,
> ARIN has been gradually evolving and tweaking the governance over the
> past fifteen years.
and there has been microscopic change
> Given it’s a small board it’s been generally done at the full Board
> historically.
i think there is some idiom about the fox guarding the hen house. it
s
On Mar 25, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> ok, let me also try to be constructive. how the heck do we get
> ourselves out of a hole where we are ruled by self-perptuating
> monopolies which lack oversight and accountability. and it ain't
> just arin. look at the big [cc]tlds, the horror
Randy,
Thanks for giving me a lead in!
ARIN has been gradually evolving and tweaking the governance over the past
fifteen years. Given it’s a small board it’s been generally done at the full
Board historically.
We’ve recently started to take a long look at a variety of issues to see if
there
Randy,
Thanks for giving me a lead in!
ARIN has been gradually evolving and tweaking the governance over the past
fifteen years. Given it’s a small board it’s been generally done at the full
Board historically.
We’ve recently started to take a long look at a variety of issues to see if
there
> I am not sure I understand the argument here. If you think that ARIN
> is not representing the address space holders in proper fashion, how
> would we suggest correcting that?
i have made off the cuff suggestions. but seriously, i would seek real
external governance counsel.
> If an address h
omg! a friend just sent this great example of how far down we have gone
https://www.arin.net/about_us/committeecharters.html#governance
there is a governance committee. guess the composition. "The Committee
shall consist of three elected members from the Board of Trustees." how
wonderfully
ok, let me also try to be constructive. how the heck do we get
ourselves out of a hole where we are ruled by self-perptuating
monopolies which lack oversight and accountability. and it ain't just
arin. look at the big [cc]tlds, the horror of icann, ...
i believe the only real solution is to ope
On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> john:
>
> i appreciate the numbers. thanks! and, btw, it has always been a
> pleasure to work with arin staff.
>
>> Total number of /24s of space directly registered in ARIN's database =
>> 6,644,175 (101.38 /8 equivalents)
>>
>> Of those: 2,
Randy,
I am not sure I understand the argument here. If you think that ARIN is not
representing the address space holders in proper fashion, how would we suggest
correcting that? If an address holder does not become a member (which is
fairly easy to do if you care enough) how would we even kn
On Mar 25, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> john:
>
> i appreciate the numbers. thanks! and, btw, it has always been a
> pleasure to work with arin staff.
Thanks (we do work for you, member or not, if you hold resources in the region.)
> ...
> the arin membership consists of 17% of the
That is correct as long as that direct allocation came from ARIN. A really
large chunk of address space was allocated (especially to the government
entities) way before ARIN was controlling the space. I think the large
percentage of space held by non-ARIN members come from those really large
or who the
>> address space was issued to or "user" being the end user using that space.
>>
>> Wouldn't all of the holders be ARIN members unless grandfathered in?
>>
>> Steven Naslund
>> Chicago IL
>>
>> -Original Message-
On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:59 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> But perhaps Randy is looking for the number of /24 equivalents
>> allocated to legacy resource holders who haven't also received an IPv6
>> direct allocation or other IPv4 direct allocation under an RSA?
>
> what percentage of address space is h
john:
i appreciate the numbers. thanks! and, btw, it has always been a
pleasure to work with arin staff.
> Total number of /24s of space directly registered in ARIN's database =
> 6,644,175 (101.38 /8 equivalents)
>
> Of those: 2,808,621 /24s of space (42.3%) are registered to ARIN
> members (4
On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> two questions:
>
> o of the /24s in the arin region, what percentage are owned by arin
>members?
>
> o of the address holders in the arin region, what percentage are arin
>members?
>
> i understand that the latter will be slightly jit
On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:53 AM, Randy Bush wrote:
> two questions:
>
> o of the /24s in the arin region, what percentage are owned by arin
>members?
>
> o of the address holders in the arin region, what percentage are arin
>members?
>
> i understand that the latter will be slightly jit
Randy -
Total number of /24s of space directly registered in ARIN's database =
6,644,175 (101.38 /8 equivalents)
Of those: 2,808,621 /24s of space (42.3%) are registered to ARIN members
(42.86 /8 equivalents)
Total number of Org IDs with directly registered IPv4 addresses = 26,148
On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
>> But perhaps Randy is looking for the number of /24 equivalents
>> allocated to legacy resource holders who haven't also received an IPv6
>> direct allocation or other IPv4 direct allocation under an RSA?
>
> what percentage of address space is h
> But perhaps Randy is looking for the number of /24 equivalents
> allocated to legacy resource holders who haven't also received an IPv6
> direct allocation or other IPv4 direct allocation under an RSA?
what percentage of address space is held by members and what percentage
by non-members (lrsa-o
g the end user using that space.
>
> Wouldn't all of the holders be ARIN members unless grandfathered in?
>
> Steven Naslund
> Chicago IL
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:36 PM
> To: Ran
On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:20 PM, "Naslund, Steve" wrote:
>
> Exactly right John. I think the term "owned" is a problem here.
>
> It seems to me that the terms would correctly be "holder" or who the address
> space was issued to or "user" being the end user using that space.
We use address holder
He is definitely in the authoritative hands :)
Steve
-Original Message-
From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:16 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: Randy Bush; North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
Steve -
Thank
ion and such.
Steve
-Original Message-
From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 11:10 PM
To: Naslund, Steve
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
sorry steve.
was not chasing down the tree. not clear what a us
er of the space. Not trying to make a political statement.
>
> I apologize if I gave you the impression that I disapproved of your question.
>
> Steve
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Randy Bush [mailto:ra...@psg.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:52 PM
sorry steve.
was not chasing down the tree. not clear what a useful measurement
would be.
randy
ork Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
> I think the term "owned" is a problem here.
sorry not to get your religious icons correctly. full refund below.
jeezus! get a life.
randy
> I think the term "owned" is a problem here.
sorry not to get your religious icons correctly. full refund below.
jeezus! get a life.
randy
>> o of the /24s in the arin region, what percentage are owned by arin
>>members?
> 1) Should we expand /16's and /8's into the corresponding number of
>/24's ?
sorry. i mean the number of /24 equivalents. so yes, expand /7-/23
> 2) In terms of categories, we could go strictly with /2
s grandfathered in?
Steven Naslund
Chicago IL
-Original Message-
From: John Curran [mailto:jcur...@arin.net]
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:36 PM
To: Randy Bush
Cc: North American Network Operators' Group
Subject: Re: arin representation
On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bush wrot
On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:53 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
> two questions:
>
> o of the /24s in the arin region, what percentage are owned by arin
>members?
Randy -
Happy to generate these - two questions for clarity.
1) Should we expand /16's and /8's into the corresponding number of /24's ?
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