Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-07-24 Thread lobna gouda
3, 2018 5:16 PM To: Jean | ddostest.me Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 12:27:35 -0400, "Jean | ddostest.me via NANOG" said: > Because, Apple adds a 25 ms artifical penalty to ipv4 dns resolution. > > https:/

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 25/Jun/18 15:57, Ben Cannon wrote: > I’ll cop to ubiquiti at home and at work too (mainly for Wi-Fi and some ptp > backhaul in which they are very strong). Any kind of HA in their routers > keeps them out my enterprise clients of mine, let alone my network core. With pressure on pricing i

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-25 Thread Ben Cannon
I’ll cop to ubiquiti at home and at work too (mainly for Wi-Fi and some ptp backhaul in which they are very strong). Any kind of HA in their routers keeps them out my enterprise clients of mine, let alone my network core. -Ben On Jun 25, 2018, at 6:50 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> That was a good

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-25 Thread Randy Bush
> That was a good tip, as I hadn't seen these before this thread. they also make a good small-isp or large office router for USD 300 https://www.ubnt.com/edgemax/edgerouter-pro/ > One thing I like about the MikroTik is that it goes forever without > needing a reboot. while i have not run a ubiqu

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 23/Jun/18 20:14, Randy Bush wrote: > in small corners, e.g. home, i use ubiquiti erx. i use the cli for > config, and the gooey for watching traffic levels in pretty colors. > they play well with both concast and at&t u-verse ipv4 and ipv6. That was a good tip, as I hadn't seen these befor

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-25 Thread Mark Tinka
On 23/Jun/18 13:17, Jared Mauch wrote: > I’ve found most folks doing Tik need the GUI, etc to interact with the > devices. I can’t say I blame them in some ways either. Have you tried to > upgrade an IOS-XR device before? If I'm honest, one of the reasons I continue to go with the MX480 in

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Mike Hammett
st-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Jared Mauch" To: "Mark Tinka" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2018 6:17:15 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap > On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Mark Tin

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Mike Hammett
igent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mark Tinka" To: "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 6:23:21 AM Subject: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Ne

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Mike Hammett
nt: Tuesday, June 19, 2018 11:06:24 PM Subject: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap > On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 6/19/18 8:48 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: >> MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 12:27:35 -0400, "Jean | ddostest.me via NANOG" said: > Because, Apple adds a 25 ms artifical penalty to ipv4 dns resolution. > > https://ma.ttias.be/apple-favours-ipv6-gives-ipv4-a-25ms-penalty/ Umm.. It's 3 year old news that Apple implemented Happy Eyeballs. And if you read

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Randy Bush
in small corners, e.g. home, i use ubiquiti erx. i use the cli for config, and the gooey for watching traffic levels in pretty colors. they play well with both concast and at&t u-verse ipv4 and ipv6. in san jose $dayjob, i am stuck with a cisco asa for cpe, a 1990s retro antique providing job sec

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Jean | ddostest.me via NANOG
: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 7:46 AM To: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On 06/11/2018 05:16 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ca By Meanwhile, FB reports that 75% of mobiles in the USA reach them via ipv6 And Akaimai

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-23 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:31 AM, Mark Tinka wrote: > > > > On 22/Jun/18 15:05, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: > >> I’m not really sure “you get what you pay for” … compare with OpenWRT … you >> have frequent updates, even in days when some important security flaw is >> discovered, as

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 22/Jun/18 15:05, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: > I’m not really sure “you get what you pay for” … compare with OpenWRT … you > have frequent updates, even in days when some important security flaw is > discovered, as it happened a few months ago with WiFi. You can even develop > y

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
LTE interface, but space for it). Regards, Jordi De: Mark Tinka Fecha: viernes, 22 de junio de 2018, 13:23 Para: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ CC: "nanog@nanog.org" Asunto: Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On 22/Jun/18 12:47, JORDI PALET MART

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 22/Jun/18 12:47, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote: > > Yeah I can confirm, as I tested it several times, 6to4 for them is > proto41, but it is very confusing and against standards nomenclature … > This don’t say anything good from a vendor, in my opinion! > Even those networks I know running Mik

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
The problem with its IPv6 support is that is only supporting 6in4, which by the way, they call it 6to4, so it is very weird and confusing customers ... That "6-to-4 actually means 6-in-4" was quite confusing to me as well. I just enabled it to prove that they had a language moment there. Good

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 22/Jun/18 10:00, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG wrote: > > The problem with its IPv6 support is that is only supporting 6in4, which by > the way, they call it 6to4, so it is very weird and confusing customers ... That "6-to-4 actually means 6-in-4" was quite confusing to me as well. I just

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via NANOG
proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On 20/Jun/18 05:48, Jared Mauch wrote: > MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either. I have a MikroTik hAP Lite router for my FTTH service at my house. It has excellent sup

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 20/Jun/18 06:06, Jared Mauch wrote: > I know. They’re very popular in the WISP and FTTH communities that are doing > sub-10G as their aggregate bits. I understand the price appeal but not a fan > personally. Not a fan either for the backbone, even though a lot of ISP's in South Africa u

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-22 Thread Mark Tinka
On 20/Jun/18 05:48, Jared Mauch wrote: > MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either. I have a MikroTik hAP Lite router for my FTTH service at my house. It has excellent support for IPv6, including a ton of translation mechanisms. My problem is my home provider

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-19 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jun 19, 2018, at 11:55 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 6/19/18 8:48 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: >> MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either. > > > RouterOS still has "will not fix" IPv6 bugs, so that doesn't help shops > dependent on Mikrotik want to move fo

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-19 Thread Jeremy Austin
On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 7:56 PM Seth Mattinen wrote: > > On 6/19/18 8:48 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either. > > > RouterOS still has "will not fix" IPv6 bugs, so that doesn't help shops > dependent on Mikrotik want to move forward

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-19 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/19/18 8:48 PM, Jared Mauch wrote: MikroTik is getting there but most people are just not enabling it either. RouterOS still has "will not fix" IPv6 bugs, so that doesn't help shops dependent on Mikrotik want to move forward with deploying it.

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2018-06-19 Thread Jared Mauch
> On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:07 PM, Job Snijders wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 05:01:24PM -0700, Ca By wrote: >>> I posit that the more miles a packet has to travel, the more likely >>> it is to be an IPv4 packet. >> >> Related. The more miles the traffic travels the more likely it is the >>

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-19 Thread lobna gouda
faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On 06/11/2018 05:16 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > > --- cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: > From: Ca By > >> Meanwhile, FB reports that 75% of mobiles in the USA >> reach them via ipv6 >> >> And Akaimai reports 80% of mobiles &

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-14 Thread Lee Howard
On 06/11/2018 05:16 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: --- cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ca By Meanwhile, FB reports that 75% of mobiles in the USA reach them via ipv6 And Akaimai reports 80% of mobiles And they both report ipv6 is faster / better. Let me

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-14 Thread Lee Howard
Assuming IPv6+translation, yes, you need IPv4 addresses of Good Repute for the outside; that might requiring constant monitoring, and notifying various content that it's shared address space. It's the same operational problem as CGNAT44, but reduced because half (or more) of your traffic is

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 05:01:24PM -0700, Ca By wrote: > > I posit that the more miles a packet has to travel, the more likely > > it is to be an IPv4 packet. > > Related. The more miles the traffic travels the more likely it is the > long tail ipv4 15% of internet that is not the wales : google,

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:08 PM Job Snijders wrote: > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Ca By wrote: > > A similar take, is that big eyeballs (tmobile, comcast, sprint, att, > verizon > > wireless) and big content (goog, fb, akamai, netflix) are ipv6. Whats > left > > on ipv4 is the long tail o

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Joel Mulkey
Could you please recommend few places or vendors to check on cleanliness? Thanks! -Stan 646-827-4466 -Original Message- From: Bryan Holloway mailto:br...@shout.net>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:31 AM To: Stan Ouchakov mailto:st...@imaginesoftware.com>>; nanog@nanog.org<

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2018-06-11 Thread Matt Harris
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 5:03 PM, Ca By wrote: > > A similar take, is that big eyeballs (tmobile, comcast, sprint, att, > verizon wireless) > There're a lot of big eyeball networks missing from that list. Spectrum biz class, no IPv6, for one. And some big "content"-ish ones, too. Google's cloud

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 10:03 PM, Ca By wrote: > A similar take, is that big eyeballs (tmobile, comcast, sprint, att, verizon > wireless) and big content (goog, fb, akamai, netflix) are ipv6. Whats left > on ipv4 is the long tail of people asking for help on how to buy a /24 Joking aside, I susp

RE: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Keith Medcalf
>Sent: Monday, 11 June, 2018 09:42 >To: Stan Ouchakov; nanog@nanog.org >Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin) asap > >https://www.talosintelligence.com/reputation_center > >... is a good place to start. > >Be sure to see who the previous owner was, and where, etc. ... > >Yo

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM Job Snijders wrote: > I suspect that this may not be an apples to apples comparison. > > Perhaps lack of IPv6 is more prevalent in rural areas with poorer > connectivity to the rest of the Internet? Perhaps both these CDNs > serve content for different types of dev

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Rubens Kuhl
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 6:29 PM Job Snijders wrote: > I suspect that this may not be an apples to apples comparison. > > Perhaps lack of IPv6 is more prevalent in rural areas with poorer > connectivity to the rest of the Internet? Perhaps both these CDNs > serve content for different types of dev

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Job Snijders
I suspect that this may not be an apples to apples comparison. Perhaps lack of IPv6 is more prevalent in rural areas with poorer connectivity to the rest of the Internet? Perhaps both these CDNs serve content for different types of devices over the different AFIs (maybe old mediaboxes with a slow

Re: IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Matt Harris
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 4:16 PM, Scott Weeks wrote: > Hmm... Faster and better? > > The links seem to be an IPv6 cheerleader write up. > I looked at the URLs and the URLs one pointed to and > pulled out everything related to IPv6 being > faster/better. > > Is it possible that simply having a muc

IPv6 faster/better proof? was Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Scott Weeks
--- cb.li...@gmail.com wrote: From: Ca By > Meanwhile, FB reports that 75% of mobiles in the USA > reach them via ipv6 > > And Akaimai reports 80% of mobiles And they both report ipv6 is faster / better. Hmm... Faster and better? The links seem t

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Mike Hammett
Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Midwest-IX http://www.midwest-ix.com - Original Message - From: "Mack McBride" To: "Mike Hammett" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 12:19:02 PM Subject: RE: Need /24 (arin) asap Large providers sti

RE: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread McBride, Mack
Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin) asap *nods* Having v6 does solve a lot, but the ones that are difficult to work with in v4 are still using v4, so you still have problems. I think those experiences are ones felt only by small to medium service providers. Large carriers, academia, hosting\datacenter

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2018-06-11 Thread Mike Hammett
To: "Michael Crapse" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 11:50:55 AM Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin) asap On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Michael Crapse wrote: > For an eyeball network, you cannot count on an IPv6 only network. Because > all of your "cust

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Michael Crapse
Never do i suggest to not have ipv6! Simply that no matter what, You still have to traverse to ipv4 when you exit your ipv6 network onto ipv4 only services. What IPv4 addresses are you going to use for the NAT64, or 464xlat, or even the business customers that require static IPv4 addresses? Someone

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Ca By
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Michael Crapse wrote: > For an eyeball network, you cannot count on an IPv6 only network. Because > all of your "customers" will complain because they can't get to hulu, or > any other ipv4 only eyeball service. You still need the ipv4s to operate a > proper netwo

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread valdis . kletnieks
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 10:27:04 -0600, Michael Crapse said: > For an eyeball network, you cannot count on an IPv6 only network. Because > all of your "customers" will complain because they can't get to hulu, or > any other ipv4 only eyeball service. You still need the ipv4s to operate a > proper netwo

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Michael Crapse
For an eyeball network, you cannot count on an IPv6 only network. Because all of your "customers" will complain because they can't get to hulu, or any other ipv4 only eyeball service. You still need the ipv4s to operate a proper network, and good luck figuring out which services are blacklisting yo

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Bryan Holloway
, Stan Ouchakov wrote: Hi Bryan and all, Could you please recommend few places or vendors to check on cleanliness? Thanks! -Stan 646-827-4466 -Original Message- From: Bryan Holloway Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:31 AM To: Stan Ouchakov ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Ca By
On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 8:43 AM Stan Ouchakov wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend transfer market brokers for ipv4 addresses? Need > clean /24 asap. ARIN's waiting list is too long... > > Thanks! > > > -Stan > > Meanwhile, FB reports that 75% of mobiles in the USA reach them via ipv6 https://c

RE: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Stan Ouchakov
Hi Bryan and all, Could you please recommend few places or vendors to check on cleanliness? Thanks! -Stan 646-827-4466 -Original Message- From: Bryan Holloway Sent: Monday, June 11, 2018 10:31 AM To: Stan Ouchakov ; nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin) asap We've had

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Bryan Holloway
We've had good results working with Addrex. I would still strongly recommend you do your due diligence for "cleanliness". On 6/8/18 1:17 PM, Stan Ouchakov wrote: Hi, Can anyone recommend transfer market brokers for ipv4 addresses? Need clean /24 asap. ARIN's waiting list is too long... Th

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-11 Thread Daniel Corbe
at 12:11 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Unfortunately, for an eyeball network, you don't have a good way of knowing that ahead of time without actually using it. Very true. We got lucky with our transfer block. A /21 from Dupont’s address space that was never even announced before. But

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-10 Thread Mike Hammett
Erculiani" To: "Stan Ouchakov" Cc: nanog@nanog.org Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2018 11:08:07 AM Subject: Re: Need /24 (arin) asap Are you using it to help roll out IPv6? (i.e. dual stack is pretty much mandatory) 4-10 space is "free", but I wouldn't test your luck b

Re: Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-10 Thread Matt Erculiani
Are you using it to help roll out IPv6? (i.e. dual stack is pretty much mandatory) 4-10 space is "free", but I wouldn't test your luck by just using the space like any regular allocation, plus it's just bad karma to use that space outside of it's noble intention. https://www.arin.net/knowledge/ip_

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2018-06-10 Thread Tyler Conrad
I’ve bought through ipv4marketgroup in the past. Easy to work with, but you’ll want to do your own scans of the address space to make sure it hasn’t been burned yet. On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 08:43 Stan Ouchakov wrote: > Hi, > > Can anyone recommend transfer market brokers for ipv4 addresses? Need

Need /24 (arin) asap

2018-06-10 Thread Stan Ouchakov
Hi, Can anyone recommend transfer market brokers for ipv4 addresses? Need clean /24 asap. ARIN's waiting list is too long... Thanks! -Stan