On 3/30/10 8:26 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> I'd put 'janitor' on my business card for all I really care.
Or on your T-shirt?
Like the ones from NANOG 42 that read "Custodians of the Internet"?
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On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:28 32PM, Martin Hannigan wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
>
> [ snip ]
>
>
>>
>> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
>> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
>> 2001), a
On 4/7/2010 17:45, Gregory Hicks wrote:
> Actually, it doesn't matter how much you make per hour, the deciding
> factor between exempt and non-exempt is how many (if any) people you
> SUPERVISE. No supervision of others, then non-exempt.
I don't think that is correct. "Professionals" do not su
On Apr 7, 2010, at 3:45 PM, Gregory Hicks wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:39:09 -0700
>> From: Jeroen van Aart
>> To: NANOG list
>> Subject: Re: Finding content in your job title
>>
>> Lamar Owen wrote:
>>> companies, Official Title
> Date: Wed, 07 Apr 2010 11:39:09 -0700
> From: Jeroen van Aart
> To: NANOG list
> Subject: Re: Finding content in your job title
>
> Lamar Owen wrote:
> > companies, Official Title is used to determine salary (or even
> > whether you're an exempt e
Nathan,
CIJ (Chief Internet Janitor) is kinda catchy ;) and this best
describe my line of work. Keeping the company's Internet clean.. or
when a mess is done already.
But at the end of the day regardless of one's fancy title. there is
still the work ... if you love it stay with it.
my 0.002nc
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
[ snip ]
>
> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
> 2001), and can't necessarily prove my worth.
>
> How does the ops community fe
Larry Sheldon wrote:
On 4/7/2010 13:39, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
Unless I misread the laws regarding this, in CA at least you still have
to earn ~$40/hr or more (it varies and last I read it was lowered a few
$s) or more to be considered exempt, regardless of your job title
When I was a man
On 4/7/2010 13:39, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
> Lamar Owen wrote:
>> companies, Official Title is used to determine salary (or even whether
>> you're an
>> exempt employee or not). And the company's bylaws may invest particular
>
> Unless I misread the laws regarding this, in CA at least you still
Lamar Owen wrote:
companies, Official Title is used to determine salary (or even whether you're an
exempt employee or not). And the company's bylaws may invest particular
Unless I misread the laws regarding this, in CA at least you still have
to earn ~$40/hr or more (it varies and last I rea
On Friday 02 April 2010 12:25:12 pm Justin Horstman wrote:
> [Your title] does
> however answer the question of "Who is responsible for..." which I believe
> to be extremely valuable.
> Then again, I might be weird.
No, this is exactly how 'business at large' uses the idea of title. In some
com
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From: Jimi Thompson [mailto:jimi.thomp...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:20 AM
To: Jorge Amodio; Jeroen van Aart
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Finding content in your job title
On 3/31/10 8:14 PM, "Jorge Amodio" wrote:
>> I agree wi
On 3/31/10 8:14 PM, "Jorge Amodio" wrote:
>> I agree with the misuse of the term "Engineer" in IT. I think it should only
>> be used for the "official" protected title of civil engineer. Which I
>> believe is a very respectable job. Sad but true, in IT too many people have
>> some form of engi
Did that mean that your job was to ensure that the guillotine was sharpened
and engineered securely?
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On Wednesday 31 March 2010, Jens Link wrote:
> Steve Bertrand writes:
>
> > For instance, I like to present myself a
I remember in the ol'days when everybody was fighting to have the
"postmaster" title ...
It was often associated with the possession of the root password, you
had to feel the power !!!
Cheers
Jorge
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
What happened to titles such as programmer (or code monkey if your prefer,
maybe a PC issue?), network administrator, systems administrator, systems
analyst, information analyst?
Those titles still exist, but after you read enough job postings for
Larry Stites wrote:
Come to think of it maybe that's a good name for a corporation; Gopher IT.
That would unnecessarily confuse us 1 and a half human who still use
gopher. :-(
> I agree with the misuse of the term "Engineer" in IT. I think it should only
> be used for the "official" protected title of civil engineer. Which I
> believe is a very respectable job. Sad but true, in IT too many people have
> some form of engineer in their job title but are almost totally clue
Larry Sheldon wrote:
So I just stayed with the cards I had that said Associate Director for
Telecommunications and Computers.
That's nice, so you can call yourself a Director ;-)
What's up with the overuse of the term "President" in job titles, Vice
President of Engineering, Product Managemen
Finding content in my job title... hmm maybe I can change mine to 'Gopher'.
(Go-pher, Go Fer, as in Going For, to get, fetch...)
Speak to me in 'engineer-ese' : (functionality) : I interpret and 'go for'
the hardware that fills the requirement.
Come to think of it maybe that's a good name for a c
On 3/30/2010 8:14 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
2001), and can't necessarily prove my worth.
We exchange business cards to help the other person know so
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On 31/03/2010 08:32, Andrew Mulholland wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
>> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
>> titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
>> hig
Steve Bertrand writes:
> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
> 2001), and can't necessarily prove my worth.
Hey, network engineer is good. Some time back someone gave me the title
"seni
if it was not so long, and if jp biz processes were not so confusing to
clueless gaijin, i would ask for "just another bozo on this bus"
randy
Perhaps the appropriate approach if the title is internet related is
to call for a BoF at IETF, setup a WG to work on a standards titles
draft, get it published as an RFC, vest the authority on IANA and
start a PDP at ICANN to determine who can obtain and ware the title
and how much has to pay for
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote:
I've had the occasional whinge from pedants that complain that 'Engineer' is a
controlled term and the state should take action on my use of it, and I point
out to them (a) not in my field, yet, and (b) it was the Commonwealth of
Virginia that
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:12:46 -0400
Jim Mercer wrote:
> i think my title ended up being "Systems and Network Engineering Manager".
So you were the SANE Manager?
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On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:34:58PM -0500, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> Ok, let see. In several countries the use of the "title" engineer
> applies to people that achieved a certain technical degree, I'm not
> sure that applies uniformly but in Latin America using the engineer
> title without having achiev
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010, Steve Bertrand wrote:
I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
high-priority, to plain unimaginable.
Now, after 10 years, I reflect back on what I've done, and what I do
now. To m
On Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:14:52 EDT, Steve Bertrand said:
> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
> 2001), and can't necessarily prove my worth.
Our payroll system was overhauled a few years a
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Dillon writes
Be careful where you get the examples to model yourself upon.
For instance, you are in Canada and I think it is actually illegal
to call yourself and engineer unless you are licenced. And as
far as I know there is no licencing available for network engineers
In a message written on Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14:52PM -0400, Steve Bertrand
wrote:
> Now, after 10 years, I reflect back on what I've done, and what I do
> now. To me, if a business is loose-knit with no clear job descriptions
> or titles (ie. too small to have CXO etc), I feel that a business c
This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
answered.
I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
high-priority, to plain unimaginable.
Now, after 10 years, I reflect back on wh
> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifications (well, since
> 2001), and can't necessarily prove my worth.
Be careful where you get the examples to model yourself upon.
For instance, you are in Canada and I thi
On Wed, 31 Mar 2010 01:19:26 -0400
"Joe" wrote:
> short the last business card I handed out simply had the title MIS Dept. Its
Heh. Reminds me of the place I worked where the least knowledgeable,
least experienced and least liked person was put in charge of MIS. If
anyone had actually liked the
> From: Steve Bertrand [mailto:st...@ibctech.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 10:15 PM
> Subject: Finding content in your job title
>
> For instance, I like to present myself as a 'network engineer'. I have
> never taken formal education, don't hold any certifi
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 3:14 AM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
> answered.
>
> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
> titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
> hi
> -Original Message-
> From: Steve Bertrand [mailto:st...@ibctech.ca]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:15 PM
> To: nanog@nanog.org >> nanog list
> Subject: Finding content in your job title
> How does the ops community feel about using this designation? Is it
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14:52PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
> answered.
>
> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
> titles that should go on my business card. They went from coo
What I find most amusing in the field of networking is the terms and titles
various companies place upon them. Titles like "Infrastructure specialist",
"Network analyst", and "Senior Specialist" often have me giggling as to the
real meaning/position in a job posting. I think the funniest postings
Steve Bertrand wrote:
Not acceptable. I do not want this.
I read and review messages and documents from people who have *much*
more experience than I do every single day, and whom I respect to the
n'th degree.
This isn't a vote count. I am _not_ an engineer, and do not need or
desire the title
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:20:25PM -0500, Jorge Amodio said:
>I'd say that probably around here for those like me that have been in
>operations/engineering management positions we don't give a squat
>about what title your biz card says you have, your actions and
>performance speak by themse
On 2010.03.30 23:50, Anton Kapela wrote:
>
> On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>
>> "The title, Engineer, and its derivatives should be reserved for those
>> individuals whose education and experience qualify them to practice in
>> a manner that protects public safety. Strict use
On 2010.03.30 23:47, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> that's right Steve, as I said before, what you do and how you do it,
> and in particular what do you contribute to the networking community
> will speak much better of yourself than any title you can imagine.
>
> Do you think that folks like Tim Berners-L
On 3/30/2010 22:44, Alastair Johnson wrote:
> Steve Bertrand wrote:
>> I did not mean to initiate a thread that turns into a joke. I'm quite
>> serious. I guess I'm curious to get an understanding from others who
>> work in a small environment that have no choice but to 'classify'
>> themselves.
>
On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> "The title, Engineer, and its derivatives should be reserved for those
> individuals whose education and experience qualify them to practice in
> a manner that protects public safety. Strict use of the title serves
...fortunately for us (and CC
On 3/30/2010 22:35, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> The feedback that I've received off-list has led me to believe that I
> just need to scratch the title, and have my name and number.
>
> Who cares what I do. Those who want to call/email me will have a purpose
> for doing so anyway ;)
Post University I
that's right Steve, as I said before, what you do and how you do it,
and in particular what do you contribute to the networking community
will speak much better of yourself than any title you can imagine.
Do you think that folks like Tim Berners-Lee, Vint Cerf, Jon Postel,
etc, etc, need a title ?
Steve Bertrand wrote:
I did not mean to initiate a thread that turns into a joke. I'm quite
serious. I guess I'm curious to get an understanding from others who
work in a small environment that have no choice but to 'classify'
themselves.
When I was in a similar role and situation to yourself m
On Mar 30, 2010, at 11:33 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> I did not mean to initiate a thread that turns into a joke. I'm quite
> serious. I guess I'm curious to get an understanding from others who
> work in a small environment that have no choice but to 'classify'
> themselves.
Unless we're talkin
On 2010.03.30 23:34, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> Ok, let see. In several countries the use of the "title" engineer
> applies to people that achieved a certain technical degree, I'm not
> sure that applies uniformly but in Latin America using the engineer
> title without having achieved that degree is ill
On 2010.03.30 23:30, Larry Sheldon wrote:
> On 3/30/2010 22:14, Steve Bertrand wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
>> answered.
>>
>> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
>> titles that should go on my busine
Ok, let see. In several countries the use of the "title" engineer
applies to people that achieved a certain technical degree, I'm not
sure that applies uniformly but in Latin America using the engineer
title without having achieved that degree is illegal.
In other places such Italy it does not onl
On 2010.03.30 23:22, bmann...@vacation.karoshi.com wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14:52PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
>> answered.
>>
>> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
On 31/03/2010, at 4:26 PM, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> On 2010.03.30 23:20, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>> I'd say that probably around here for those like me that have been in
>> operations/engineering management positions we don't give a squat
>> about what title your biz card says you have, your actions an
On 3/30/2010 22:14, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
> answered.
>
> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
> titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
> high-priority,
On 2010.03.30 23:20, Jorge Amodio wrote:
> I'd say that probably around here for those like me that have been in
> operations/engineering management positions we don't give a squat
> about what title your biz card says you have, your actions and
> performance speak by themselves.
>
> There are no
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:14:52PM -0400, Steve Bertrand wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
> answered.
>
> I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
> titles that should go on my business card. They went from coo
I'd say that probably around here for those like me that have been in
operations/engineering management positions we don't give a squat
about what title your biz card says you have, your actions and
performance speak by themselves.
There are no kings around here so titles most of the time are wort
Hi all,
This is perhaps a rather silly question, but one that I'd like to have
answered.
I'm young in the game, and over the years I've imagined numerous job
titles that should go on my business card. They went from cool, to
high-priority, to plain unimaginable.
Now, after 10 years, I reflect ba
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