On 01.12.12 17:57, Peter Davis wrote:
> the 72-column wrapping "rule" and the non-HTML "rule" can hardly be
> considered "netiquette" except perhaps within this tiny circle.
> Otherwise they are, at best, quaint relics of an earlier era.
There are other bastions of consideration for the reader, no
=- Peter Davis wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 17:57:03 -0500 -=
> So the owners have not seen fit to establish a 72-character line
> length rule, or a bottom- or conversational-posting rule, or even
> a "no HTML" rule.
>
> I supposed you could argue that these would be so obvious that
> stating them w
On 2012-12-01, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 06:20:00PM +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> The main Python mailing list gets regular posts from Google Groups.
>> Those posts are always malformatted (the formatting seems to change
>> over the years, but it never actually gets better)
On 2012-12-02, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Grant Edwards [12-01-12 11:07]:
>> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> ...
>> > I am not explaining properly/sufficiently. Yahoo *requires* your posting
>> > addr matches your smtp.
>
>:^)
>
>> Ah, that's indeed quite different than what you wr
* Grant Edwards [12-01-12 11:07]:
> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
...
> > I am not explaining properly/sufficiently. Yahoo *requires* your posting
> > addr matches your smtp.
:^)
> Ah, that's indeed quite different than what you wrote previously.
> Requring that the From: address ma
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 05:57:03PM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> Apparently even proper conversational quoting is too complex for you
> to follow. I was responding to a comment on a comment on an earlier
> post of mine. Since I wrote that earlier post, I think I have a pretty
> good idea what it was
On Sun, Dec 02, 2012 at 09:26:31AM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:24:59AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
> >
> > Actually, it wasn't about GMail at all. It was about the fact that
> > millions of email users don't care about line wrapping, or text/plain,
> > or any of these
On 01Dec2012 08:14, Jeffery Small wrote:
| Will Yardley writes:
| >You shouldn't need to do any special encoding, and mutt -a should do
| >what you want.
[...]
| Will:
| Thanks so much for your quick reply. You are exactly right, the problem was
| that the -a argument was before the address arg
[ Derek Martin Wrote On Sat 1.Dec'12 at 18:50:41 GMT ]
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:38:57AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > > And what you generally see, INCLUDING in the case which generated this
> > > thread, is a great deal of tolerance from the community for such things,
> > > followed b
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 06:20:00PM +, Grant Edwards wrote:
> The main Python mailing list gets regular posts from Google Groups.
> Those posts are always malformatted (the formatting seems to change
> over the years, but it never actually gets better). The ones that
> aren't just spam are alwa
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 10:24:59AM -0500, Peter Davis wrote:
>
> Actually, it wasn't about GMail at all. It was about the fact that
> millions of email users don't care about line wrapping, or text/plain,
> or any of these other 40 year old conventions. The mutt-users group
> just happens to repre
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 07:08:11PM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> Now, if we consider lousy tools (tools that either fail to facilitate
> standards or needlessly impose extra work on humans), then it can only
> be the contrary of what you're saying. "Selfish" authors do what is
> convenien
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 07:08:24PM +, Chris Green wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 07:06:18PM +, Chris Green wrote:
> > > The problem is that threading isn't working at all, $sort_aux surely
> > > just changes the sort rules within a thread. At the moment mutt isn't
> > > seeing/showing t
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 07:06:18PM +, Chris Green wrote:
> > The problem is that threading isn't working at all, $sort_aux surely
> > just changes the sort rules within a thread. At the moment mutt isn't
> > seeing/showing threads at all even though there are several messages
> > with the same
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 06:41:47PM +, Chris Green wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 01:24:47PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > [ Chris Green Wrote On Sat 1.Dec'12 at 11:35:23 GMT ]
> >
> > > I have the following in my muttrc file relating to thread sorting:-
> > >
> > > folder-hook .
* Peter Davis [2012-11-20 13:37 -0500]:
> Most workplaces are using email to communicate, and they want maximum
> efficiency in that. Users want a way to get a message across quickly,
> as opposed to trying to create a beautiful and literate archive.
These "efficient" mails usually look this way:
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:38:57AM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > And what you generally see, INCLUDING in the case which generated this
> > thread, is a great deal of tolerance from the community for such things,
> > followed by polite requests to "please follow the local custom." What
> >
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 09:45:48AM +, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> > So not only to you need to establish a new standard, but you need to
> > update all the existing tools to support it.
>
> No you don't. Tools become deprecated. Accept it.
A format which does what you described has exis
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 01:24:47PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> [ Chris Green Wrote On Sat 1.Dec'12 at 11:35:23 GMT ]
>
> > I have the following in my muttrc file relating to thread sorting:-
> >
> > folder-hook . 'set sort=threads;set hostname=""'
> > folder-hook sentmail set sort
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:15:42PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Grant Edwards [11-30-12 21:13]:
> ...
> > I think the Yahoo list server can be used by anybody (I guess you have
> > to sign up for a Yahoo account, to do admin stuff). They offer a web
> > UI, but you don't actually have to
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 11:50:48AM +0100, Rado Q wrote:
> > - does exist a non greedy version of * (0 or more) in mutt's regexp (In
> > vim is \{-})? I'd like to highlight *bla bla* but not *this*
>
> No, exclude '*' in greedy-relevant matches.
> See wiki - configlist - my wrapper script for HI_
On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Grant Edwards [12-01-12 10:27]:
>> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>>> Yahoo now requires posting from a yahoo account via their smtp or
>>> from their web service,
>>
>> Weird. I posted to a Yahoo list two weeks ago by sending an e-mail
>> vi
On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 08:13:28AM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> Pls excuse failing memory, you are correct. The problem with my posts to
> yahoo lists is I post with a gmail addr but SMTP via my isp, not gmail.
I can tell you what's happening, then. I had this problem for a while
with one
* Grant Edwards [12-01-12 10:27]:
> On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> > * Grant Edwards [11-30-12 21:13]:
> > ...
> >> I think the Yahoo list server can be used by anybody (I guess you have
> >> to sign up for a Yahoo account, to do admin stuff). They offer a web
> >> UI, but you don't
On 2012-12-01, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> * Grant Edwards [11-30-12 21:13]:
> ...
>> I think the Yahoo list server can be used by anybody (I guess you have
>> to sign up for a Yahoo account, to do admin stuff). They offer a web
>> UI, but you don't actually have to use it -- you can subscribe t
On 2012-12-01, jim graham wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 02:12:03AM +, Grant Edwards wrote:
>> On 2012-11-30, Jim Graham wrote:
>
>> > announcement type list for the freeware hurricane tracker (JStrack)
> []
>> > It's a google groups list.
>
>> If needed I can change the killfile rule s
[ Chris Green Wrote On Sat 1.Dec'12 at 11:35:23 GMT ]
> I have the following in my muttrc file relating to thread sorting:-
>
> folder-hook . 'set sort=threads;set hostname=""'
> folder-hook sentmail set sort=date-sent
>
> Up to now this has worked fine as most of the lists I belong to
* Tony's unattended mail [12-01-12 05:43]:
> On 2012-12-01, Rado Q wrote:
> >=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 8:38:57 + -=
> >
> >> Long lines != the end of the world. Simple as that.
> >
> > ... _for you_.
> > But it can mean the beginning of the end for efficient
> > communi
* Jim Graham [12-01-12 00:06]:
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 11:15:42PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>
> > Yahoo now requires posting from a yahoo account via their smtp or from
> > their web service, since last year some time. I have dropped all but one
> > group, but only read. I refuse to use
I have the following in my muttrc file relating to thread sorting:-
folder-hook . 'set sort=threads;set hostname=""'
folder-hook sentmail set sort=date-sent
Up to now this has worked fine as most of the lists I belong to are well
behaved and preserve the Mail-Id:. However I now have a li
* On 01 Dec 2012, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
>
> Regardless of which standards a mutt user endorses, a good quality
> tool is lenient in what it accepts, handles it well, while being
> strict in what it produces.
Yes, that's generally our principle.
> Yet mutt is not good at handling common
=- Tony's unattended mail wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 10:41:11 + -=
> Jamie actually did this list a service. Overly sheltered mutt
> users have a tendancy to lose touch. Jamie's post actually exposed
> a mutt characteristic that can be improved.
a) improving mutt is good: go ahead.
b) this doe
On 01.12.12 09:45, Tony's unattended mail wrote:
> On 2012-11-30, Derek Martin wrote:
> > Only because I got sick of replying to your nonsense.
>
> You gave up. That will fail you every time.
Long threads have a tendency to degenerate into a trailing BS session,
but they don't have to.
If you
=- Marco Giusti wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 11:34:45 +0100 -=
> - can I use `underline` with color? I think not, I tried but I
> failed but I also found on Internet some config files with this
> configuration;
Not yet, patches welcome.
> - does exist a non greedy version of * (0 or more) in mutt's
On 2012-12-01, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
>
> ... and I agree completely. As I wrote, I now wrap my lines and will
> make extra effort to ensure message formatting conforms so they are
> more readable. I don't like upsetting people, and I have taken on
> board all the valid and sensible points rais
On 2012-12-01, Rado Q wrote:
>=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 8:38:57 + -=
>
>> Long lines != the end of the world. Simple as that.
>
> ... _for you_.
> But it can mean the beginning of the end for efficient
> communication, when everybody starts caring less and less for it by
Hello, I have a few question about the use of color. Starting with the
simpler:
- can I use `underline` with color? I think not, I tried but I failed
but I also found on Internet some config files with this
configuration;
- does exist a non greedy version of * (0 or more) in mutt's regexp (In
[ Rado S Wrote On Sat 1.Dec'12 at 9:17:29 GMT ]
> =- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 8:38:57 + -=
>
> > Long lines != the end of the world. Simple as that.
>
> ... _for you_.
> But it can mean the beginning of the end for efficient
> communication, when everybody starts carin
On 2012-11-30, Derek Martin wrote:
>
> I agree; good reasons for the existing standards have been put
> forth. Arguments against those standards and said reasons have
> contained fallacious logic.
This is the first such claim. No one has yet called out any fallacy
in logic with regards to allow
=- Jamie Paul Griffin wrote on Sat 1.Dec'12 at 8:38:57 + -=
> Long lines != the end of the world. Simple as that.
... _for you_.
But it can mean the beginning of the end for efficient
communication, when everybody starts caring less and less for it by
introducing (and trying to establish) a
On 2012-11-30, Gray Calhoun wrote:
>>
>>Etiquette varies based on the domain (e.g. where you are). There is
>>not one single etiquette for the universe. In Japan, tipping is often
>>regarded as extremely offensive. In the US, tipping is often
>>expected.
>
> This is true, etiquette varies with
[ Derek Martin Wrote On Fri 30.Nov'12 at 17:17:22 GMT ]
> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 03:23:58PM +, Jamie Paul Griffin wrote:
> > There could be any number of reasons why someone might
> > not compose a perfect message: there could be learning difficulties,
> > some other physical impairment, some
Will Yardley writes:
>On Sat, Dec 01, 2012 at 05:12:05AM +, Jeffery Small wrote:
>> Within a script, I would like to use mutt to automatically email a JPEG
>> file as an attachment without user intervention. Is there any way to
>> accomplish this? (And if not with mutt, then possibly with m
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