Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-20 Thread opendaddy
On 20. juli 2013 at 5:34 PM, "Jan Stary" wrote: > >Why are you building the (huge) port, >instead of simply installing the package? Whoa. When did that get there? Thanks man! O.D.

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-20 Thread opendaddy
On 20. juli 2013 at 3:54 PM, "Amit Kulkarni" wrote: >> >> Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in >> /usr/local/ports). > >why are ports inside /usr/local. it should be /usr/ports. Some >ports may fail. Maybe, yeah. I updated PORTSDIR in /etc/mk.conf though. Anyway I just

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-20 Thread opendaddy
On 19. juli 2013 at 9:13 PM, "Miod Vallat" wrote: > >> Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. > >But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides >filing disks? They say Android apps are just an excuse for Java devs to keep programming in Java. Now that HTML5 can a

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Nick Holland
On 07/19/13 18:37, Martin Schröder wrote: > 2013/7/19 : >> % df -h >> Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on >> /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ >> /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home >> /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp >> /dev/wd0

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Miod Vallat
> Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? Miod

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 03:06:16PM -0600, Jack Woehr wrote: > openda...@hushmail.com wrote: > >On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, "Matthew Dempsky" wrote: > >>plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). > >> > >> > >>/dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/loca

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Martin Schröder
2013/7/19 : > % df -h > Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on > /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%/ > /dev/wd0k 9.2G434M8.3G 5%/home > /dev/wd0d 1.5G 12.0K1.5G 0%/tmp > /dev/wd0f 1.8G404M1.3G24%/usr > /dev/

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 08:37:40PM +, openda...@hushmail.com wrote: > On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, "Matthew Dempsky" wrote: > > > >"write error"? Did you run out of disk space? > > Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in > /usr/local/ports). > > % df -h Check also t

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Jack Woehr
openda...@hushmail.com wrote: On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, "Matthew Dempsky" wrote: plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). /dev/wd0h 3.7G1.8G1.7G52%/usr/local Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. -- Jack Woehr

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread patrick keshishian
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Jack Woehr wrote: > Miod Vallat wrote: >>> >>> Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. >> >> But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides >> filing disks? >> >> Miod > > > métaphysico-théologo-cosmolo-nigologie :) Hey, what editor

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Jack Woehr
Miod Vallat wrote: Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides filing disks? Miod métaphysico-théologo-cosmolo-nigologie :) Language wars are s-o-o-o 20th century. -- Jack Woehr # "We commonly say we h

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 09:12:57PM +, Miod Vallat wrote: > > Pretty sure it takes more than 1.7G to build Java. > > But then how can java people pretend it has any usefulness, besides > filing disks? ^^ Rightful cobol successor, then See yesterday's dilbert... http://dilbert.com/strip

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread opendaddy
On 19. juli 2013 at 3:17 PM, "Matthew Dempsky" wrote: > >"write error"? Did you run out of disk space? Nope, plenty of disk space left in /usr/local (my ports are in /usr/local/ports). % df -h Filesystem SizeUsed Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 985M 50.8M885M 5%

Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread opendaddy
Hi, Anybody managed to build /usr/ports/devel/jdk on OpenBSD 5.3? Getting a rather nasty compile error here on amd64, was wondering if maybe someone could help? Tried asking on the ports mailinglist as well as reaching out to the port maintainer but no luck. http://pastie.org/8155843 O.D.

Re: Java on OpenBSD 5.3

2013-07-19 Thread Matthew Dempsky
"write error"? Did you run out of disk space? On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 7:55 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > Anybody managed to build /usr/ports/devel/jdk on OpenBSD 5.3? > > Getting a rather nasty compile error here on amd64, was wondering if maybe > someone could help? Tried asking on the ports mailingli

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-13 Thread bofh
On 1/12/07, Kurt Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Attached are two patch files that you can drop in /usr/ports/devel/jdk/1.5/patches that hopefully will fix your amd64 build issue. Please let me know if this fixes it for you and I'll work on getting this in 4.0-stable. Thank you very much, the

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-10 Thread bofh
On 1/10/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The only outstanding question is, has "bofh" gotten 1.5 to compile and install correctly on his amd64 box with Kurt's previous suggestion? ? The first note from Kurt says he's working on a patch, and the second mentioned a thread in ports@, a

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread steven mestdagh
Gustavo Rios [2007-01-09, 13:37:37]: > Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always > believed i had to "install" linux emulation first. if something is unclear about the section 'Building the Sun JDK' in FAQ 8, please let us know what it is. Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 12:26, Zoong PHAM wrote: > On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 13:37:37 -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: > > Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always > > believed i had to "install" linux emulation first. > > No, I don't think so. > > I just installed jdk-1.5

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread Zoong PHAM
On Tuesday, 9 January 2007 at 13:37:37 -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: > Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always > believed i had to "install" linux emulation first. No, I don't think so. I just installed jdk-1.5.0p19 from the port: very much "make; make install" After that,

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 9-Jan-07, at 12:42 PM, J.C. Roberts wrote: The painfully sad truth is if you're doing any serious development and testing in Java, you have to debug everywhere and you normally need to have ton of jre/jdk installations on each of your supported OS/ hardware combinations. You really do need m

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 09:08, J.C. Roberts wrote: > > When I built 1.5 on openbsd 3.9-current, it didn't require building > > 1.3 and 1.4. It didn't look like 4.0 needed it either. In fact, > > on amd64, it won't build jdk1.4 > > Though people joke about the chicken-egg problem, you need a wo

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread Kurt Miller
On Monday 08 January 2007 8:38 pm, bofh wrote: > What am I doing wrong? This is openbsd 4.0 on a DL145, dual opteron. > Thanx for any pointers! I've replied to your build problem on the ports@ list, but just to clarify some things said in this thread: Beginning with OpenBSD 4.0 devel/jdk/1.5 no

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 08:37, Gustavo Rios wrote: > Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always > believed i had to "install" linux emulation first. > > Thanks for the clarifications. Hi Gustavo, For building 1.4, you need the 1.3-linux port installed. The latter require

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
probably best to keep this on list... On Tuesday 09 January 2007 08:37, bofh wrote: > On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been in no rush to build and install java, and in fact I've > > been dreading the idea for a couple months but since you're hitting > > problems, I deci

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread bofh
Oops, didn't not send to misc On 1/9/07, bofh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I've been in no rush to build and install java, and in fact I've been > dreading the idea for a couple months but since you're hitting > problems, I decided to start on

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread Gustavo Rios
Is it possible to build jdk;java directly from openbsd: I always believed i had to "install" linux emulation first. Thanks for the clarifications. On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday 09 January 2007 06:20, bofh wrote: > On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 09 January 2007 06:20, bofh wrote: > On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: > > > I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, > > > that installed without problems, however: > > > > It has been said many, ma

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread bofh
On 1/9/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: > I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that > installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which y

Re: java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-09 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Monday 08 January 2007 17:38, bofh wrote: > I tried installing the jdk I had built under 3.9, jdk-1.5.0p14, that > installed without problems, however: It has been said many, many times yet people still regularly make same the mistake which you have made: Packages (and ports) from one version

java on openbsd 4.0?

2007-01-08 Thread bofh
Hi, I am trying to compile jdk on openbsd 4.0. I max'ed out all the ulimits I can find: # ulimit -a time(cpu-seconds)unlimited file(blocks) unlimited coredump(blocks) unlimited data(kbytes) 1048576 stack(kbytes)32768 lockedmem(kbytes)unlimited memory(kbytes)

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-17 Thread Damian Wiest
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 11:27:36PM +0100, Matthias Kilian wrote: [snip] > It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. > It does not run on vax/OpenBSD. Heck, it even behaves differently > in on i386/Linux, i386/Windows, sparc/Solaris and pSeries/Linux, > and to this platfo

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-17 Thread Damian Wiest
On Wed, Nov 15, 2006 at 11:31:21AM +0800, Lars Hansson wrote: > On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:53:54 -0500 > Josh Grosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Per FAQ 8.3, Java 1.5 or 1.4 must be built from source. An overnight > > download have an > > of the files should not be a huge problem, considering

Re: [Fwd: Re: java on openbsd]

2006-11-15 Thread marc
- Forwarded message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:18:36 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: java on openbsd] To: Keith Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Quoting Keith Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-15 Thread marc
>I would, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that >developers have painstakingly documented. >http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming I've read that info; the "preferred" way of installing java (on openbsd) is by compiling from source. As I am a full

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-15 Thread Joachim Schipper
ld, but I would just be (poorly) repeating information that > >developers have painstakingly documented. > >http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming > > I've read that info; the "preferred" way of installing java (on > openbsd) is by compiling from source. As

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Lars Hansson
On Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:31:21 +0800 Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > install X number of Linux JDK's Apparently you dont need this anymore. Duh! --- Lars Hansson

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Lars Hansson
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 10:53:54 -0500 Josh Grosse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Per FAQ 8.3, Java 1.5 or 1.4 must be built from source. An overnight > download have an > of the files should not be a huge problem, considering how much time, > computing, memory, and storage resource is needed to bui

Re: [ot] Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 14-Nov-06, at 5:27 PM, Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:12:31PM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions of devices. It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. It does not run on vax/OpenBSD.

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Craig Skinner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 11:41:35AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: > > @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language > > and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an > > option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. > > Java is a shitshow No

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Craig Skinner
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 12:32:57PM -0600, Matthew Weigel wrote: > Bernd Schoeller wrote: > > I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK > > under the terms of the GPL? > > No, they haven't released the JDK under the GPL. They *will*. > Currently, they have released a vir

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:07:50AM -0500, Marc Ravensbergen wrote: > Hi, first I'd like to mention that openbsd 4.0 is a first for me, and I > am really liking it so far (I am a linux refugee...). Eg., it's nice to > be able to rip out my usb cd burner, plug it in, and be able to actually > use

[ot] Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 10:12:31PM +0100, Tobias Weisserth wrote: > And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions > of devices. It does not run on arm/OpenBSD. It does not run on powerpc/OpenBSD. It does not run on vax/OpenBSD. Heck, it even behaves differently in on i386/Linux

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi list, hi Jacob, On Tuesday, 14. November 2006 19:35, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote: > >Java is a shitshow, it isn't a "nice" language. Stop defending Sun and > > their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the > > open source world this could be justified. For now they are

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jared Solomon
Heh, java lets me work on OpenBSD. Oh, wait... that's just plain coffee, and not even Javanese coffee. Costa Rican. God, I'm a troll today. On 11/14/06, Jack J. Woehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Did you get it working? I have Java working on OpenBSD. -- Try to do nothing for money that you

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Josh Grosse
On Tue, Nov 14, 2006 at 08:07:50AM -0500, Marc Ravensbergen wrote: > ...I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a > deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've > done is taken a tar of the linux version... > ...I really don't want to download th

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Matt Kolb
Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few >> feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). > > For now, then, unfortunately you'll have to follow the normal > port

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Nov 14, 2006, at 9:24 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > All I asked for was some advice getting this working. If you're > going to bash me over the head for that, perhaps you'd consider not > replying at all... save both your time and mine. Did you get it working? I have Java working on OpenB

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Original message >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:41:35 -0600 >From: Marco Peereboom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: java on openbsd >To: Tobias Weisserth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: misc@openbsd.org > >> @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's a

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Henning Brauer
* Bernd Schoeller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-11-14 19:25]: > I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK under > the terms of the GPL? they have _not_ released the JDK (-source) under the gpl. they have released javac, hotpot and the help system under the gpl (at lest,

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Nov 14, 2006, at 10:41 AM, Marco Peereboom wrote: > Java is a shitshow, it isn't a "nice" language. Hurling obscenities at Java, a mediocre language per se which happens to offer a wonderful team development environment with a breathtaking array of tools, doesn't generate any code to make

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Matthew Weigel
Bernd Schoeller wrote: > I this information still current, now that Java has released the JDK > under the terms of the GPL? No, they haven't released the JDK under the GPL. They *will*. Currently, they have released a virtual machine and javac under the GPL. "The remainder of the open-source JDK

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Bernd Schoeller
On Tue, 14 Nov 2006 16:42:39 +0100, Nick Guenther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Java's unsupported more or less. See the FAQ: http://openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming "Due to Sun's restrictive SCSL license, OpenBSD cannot ship binary packages for the JDK. This means you will have to build it fr

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Marco Peereboom
> @others: stop picking on SUN and Java. It's actually a nice language > and going to be GPL software very soon, so I guess there will be an > option for binary packages and other nice stuff soon. Java is a shitshow, it isn't a "nice" language. Stop defending Sun and their ridiculous licenses

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread marc
I would just be (poorly) repeating information that developers have painstakingly documented. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Programming I've read that info; the "preferred" way of installing java (on openbsd) is by compiling from source. As I am a full time java developer,

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi Marc, On Nov 14, 2006, at 5:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... I didn't try any linux 1.5/1.6 jdk, but perhaps you missed something for your linux emulation? read man compat_linux, perhaps it helps. the other options you have is having someone mail you the source on cd, or use kaffe (don't

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Matthew Weigel
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Thanks for your response. Kaffe won't work for me as it is missing a few > feature s that I need (most notable swing support is not up to snuff yet). For now, then, unfortunately you'll have to follow the normal port-building instructions, which are lame to say the leas

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread marc
Quoting knitti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version, and untarred it in ope

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Nick Guenther
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, first I'd like to mention that openbsd 4.0 is a first for me, and I am really liking it so far (I am a linux refugee...). I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Thanks for your time, Marc Java's unsupported more

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread knitti
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. Java is a deal-breaker for me as I use it all day every day for work. What I've done is taken a tar of the linux version, and untarred it in openbsd. I have turned on linux emulation

Re: java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Jeff Quast
On 11/14/06, Marc Ravensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am having a hard time getting java to work on openbsd. I'll bet. difference. I've googled for hours trying to find a solution, but can't seem to fix it. Lucky for you! My google works: http://www.google.com/search?q=openbsd+java

java on openbsd

2006-11-14 Thread Marc Ravensbergen
Hi, first I'd like to mention that openbsd 4.0 is a first for me, and I am really liking it so far (I am a linux refugee...). Eg., it's nice to be able to rip out my usb cd burner, plug it in, and be able to actually use the thing again. Try that under linux and the cd burner is unsuable until

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-09 Thread Aaron Glenn
On 8/8/05, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Suns newest ultra 20 x64 workstation retails at under #1000. > > Not as expensive as they once were. > that is out of desperation; not because that's what they are worth. aaron.glenn

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-09 Thread Zoong PHAM
On Monday, 8 August 2005 at 18:03:25 +0100, Edd Barrett wrote: > > Suns newest ultra 20 x64 workstation retails at under #1000. > > Not as expensive as they once were. I never think Sun stuff expensive compared to other big vendors. In fact, Sun charge the least but we hardly buy them b/c of th

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Edd Barrett
> You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people > (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say "if I wanted to deal with Sun every > day, I'd run Solaris instead" and frankly, I don't blame them. Every > attempt to use Java here has caused more problems than it has solved; > it's simply

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 08 Aug 2005 11:02:47 -0400, Kurt Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Kurt, >> >> Really, no disparagement was meant of your efforts. My apologies for >> any offense. >> >> I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your >> choice, and if it works for you more power

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Henning Brauer
* Shawn K. Quinn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2005-08-08 17:18]: > You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people > (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say "if I wanted to deal with Sun every > day, I'd run Solaris instead" and frankly, I don't blame them. Every > attempt to use Java here h

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Brandon Mercer
Shawn K. Quinn wrote: >On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 10:23 -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > > >>I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your >>choice, and if it works for you more power to you. >> >> > >You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people >(OpenBS

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 10:23 -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: > I can't see spending my time working on Sun's code, but that's your > choice, and if it works for you more power to you. You know, for every Kurt, there have to be several hundred people (OpenBSD users or otherwise) who say "if I wanted

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
x27;s code, but that's your choice, and if it works for you more power to you. Thanks for the apology. Your post struck a nerve and my frustration with the amount of misinformation in this thread came out. Few people really understand the Java - *BSD licensing issues. For what seems like ide

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 10:05:38AM -0400, Kurt Miller wrote: > From: "Michael W. Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > >>The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a "license agreement" of > >>some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
From: "Anon Y. Mous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? As stated several times in this thread, the type of license that FreeBSD has with Sun goes a

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Kurt Miller
From: "Michael W. Lucas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a "license agreement" of some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for their native implementation. Sorry, not quite. The FreeBSD-native

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Artur Grabowski
Let's read what I wrote and your response, shall we? Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > "Encourage and > > promote closed 'standards', insecure, crappy binaries and software > > monopolies."? > > I think it would be a good idea. Maybe you do. Fortunately most of us don't. //art

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Alexander Farber
That is what you do for /ports/devel/jdk/ . So what is your problem? ;-) 2005/8/8, Edd Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I think it would be a good idea. Even if you had to download an > openbsd package from sun's site.

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Michael W. Lucas
On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 01:12:24PM -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > The FreeBSD guys sold their soul to Sun in a "license agreement" of > some sort in order to use Sun's code as a base for their native > implementation. Sorry, not quite. The FreeBSD-native Java implementation did not require changin

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Edd Barrett
On 08 Aug 2005 10:51:14 +0200, Artur Grabowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Anon Y. Mous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Hi: > > > > > > Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development > > attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java > > binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun > >

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-08 Thread Artur Grabowski
"Anon Y. Mous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi: > > > Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development > attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java > binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun > agreement)? > > URL: http://www.freebsd.org/java/ > > "The FreeBSD Foundation has negotia

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 06 Aug 2005 14:38:30 -0400, "Jan Izary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>Please release the source code of your software under a BSD license so >it is compatible with the goals of our project: > >J. C., you know full well that's not really needed for OpenBSD to have their >own copy of Java in

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread Marco Peereboom
I am sure JC is pretty accurate here though. On Sat, Aug 06, 2005 at 02:38:30PM -0400, Jan Izary wrote: > >Please release the source code of your software under a BSD license so > it is compatible with the goals of our project: > > J. C., you know full well that's not really needed for OpenBSD to

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread Jan Izary
Please release the source code of your software under a BSD license so it is compatible with the goals of our project: J. C., you know full well that's not really needed for OpenBSD to have their own copy of Java in ports. Making something like Java a native port would only require it to be o

Re: Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 01:04:51 -0700 (PDT), "Anon Y. Mous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development >attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java >binaries usage agreement To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Bill, Larry and Scot

Negotiating a license for Sun Java on OpenBSD?

2005-08-06 Thread Anon Y. Mous
Hi: Has anyone involved with OpenBSD development attempted to negotiate a license with Sun for a Java binaries usage agreement, (e.g., FreeBSD/Sun agreement)? URL: http://www.freebsd.org/java/ "The FreeBSD Foundation has negotiated a license with Sun Microsystems to distribute FreeBSD binarie