Hi list, hi Jacob, On Tuesday, 14. November 2006 19:35, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
> >Java is a shitshow, it isn't a "nice" language. Stop defending Sun and > > their ridiculous licenses. The day Sun shows up as a real player in the > > open source world this could be justified. For now they are just another > > closed vendor. There's no other "just another closed source" vendor on this planet that has freed so much closed source like SUN. Solaris is going to be Open Source in the end, as will Java. This is official so stop fudding around. If you think the CDDL or the GPL are ridiculous licenses this is simply your problem. It works out fine for a majority of people, including me. Hey, if you can't comply with the GPL for personal reasons you wouldn't even be able to enjoy OpenBSD as it's still being built with a GNU toolchain. And regarding the language: Java runs on millions if not billions of devices. There's a reason for this and it's not just marketing. Anybody denying this is just plain ignorant - or stupid. Besides that, the language is easy to learn (and teach) and unlike most other languages, there's tons of high quality development tools that are user-friendly for non-UNIX-geeks and programming rookies. > >You don't get a cookie for trying or pretending. Well, ignorance - or stupidity for that matter - won't earn you points either ;-) > don't you know you're not licensed to circulate compiled opinions about Sun > source code? you're supposed to let everyone else click through the stupid > menus, download source packages that are about as big as the openbsd > install sets, adjust their ulimits, spend a lot of time compiling something > that should be available as a package and THEN they can form a properly > licensed opinion. Well Jake, that's luckily going to change soon, now that Java and its various components are going to be GPL software. You'll be able to redistribute in any form you like, given that you comply with the GPL terms and don't violate the Java trademark that SUN will still control. kind regards, Tobias W.
