Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Umnada Tyrolla wrote: I don't think that really helped the problem any. How are the headhunters going to know about it? That's better then complaining and doing nothing and was an answer to the request for [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also, as describe on the site "Please only send OpenBSD specific job

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Fri, Jan 12, 2007 at 11:45:37AM -0500, Umnada Tyrolla wrote: > > your job(s) offer instead of your jobs@, etc if you think it is that > > badly needed... > > > > http://openbsdsupport.org/jobs/ > > > > An admin interface will be added to post your jobs. For now > > send it in > > if you hav

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Theo de Raadt > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 6:48 PM > To: Christopher Snell > Cc: OpenBSD > Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator > > And if any

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-12 Thread Umnada Tyrolla
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Daniel Ouellet > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 5:54 PM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator > > your job(s) offer instead of your jo

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-04 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Theo de Raadt wrote: Nope. We can't aim higher when there are people like you, full of hate, and once again not adding real content. i hate those haters! we should hang their leader, it will fix everything. ;)

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-04 Thread chefren
On 1/4/07 2:17 AM, Theo de Raadt wrote: Get real, meta postings (postings about other postings) also build this misc community. You cannot expect a channel to carry 100% data (relevance), What should we insist on? Is there something to insist on on an open list? As I tried to explain, an op

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Rico Secada
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:48:05 -0700 Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's true. What all the people say about our mailing > lists is exactly true. There really are about 30-40 people here who > carry out an agenda of hate, quite successfully. Couldn't have been said better!!

I-O Data LANDISK CHEAP serial cable Not: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Diana Eichert
( I have a sick sense of humor) I want to pass on the cheapest and coolest method I've found to hook up the serial port on a LANDISK box PLUS my original setup. I've posted both methods. The original method: I have a Plextor PX-EH25L sitting in the office which I ordered the day I saw mickey's p

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Get real, meta postings (postings about other postings) also build > this misc community. You cannot expect a channel to carry 100% data > (relevance), What should we insist on? How about 20%? Or can we aim higher? Nope. We can't aim higher when there are people like you, full of hate, and

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread chefren
Get real, meta postings (postings about other postings) also build this misc community. You cannot expect a channel to carry 100% data (relevance), there is always some kind of sync (messages that show all kinds of "borders") necessary. This list is definitely not hurt by messages like these o

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
And if anyone wanted my opinion, I am fine with the occasional (but rare) job posting which is polite, to the point, and relevant to OpenBSD. But I am not OK with all the whiners and lamers who followed up on that posting with trash talk. That's about 35 postings so far, it looks like. And I fee

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Christopher Snell wrote: > Hi All, > > I apologize if my posting offended anyone. That really was not my > intent. I *do* read this list regularly, attend OpenBSD-related SNIP > Chris Nah, no apology needed, except perhaps an apology from myself, since I never intended this

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Christopher Snell
On 1/3/07, Kenny Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: His response was a bit rude, however at least the courtesy was made to attempt a reading on the rules page. He made the best decision he could given the information he had. Hi All, I apologize if my posting offended anyone. That really was not

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Peace, and to move on, I don't know if that's any good or not or even needed really. But like many wanted "How To" saying it would be much better, however the results are not overwhelming, but peace came from it anyway. Here is a place for your job(s) offer instead of your jobs@, etc if you th

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Marc Espie
For once, I'm going to say this from my position as an OpenBSD developer who has sunk countless hours into writing code for this OS. It's obvious a lot of wankers around here have nothing better to do than start threads based on that job offer. I am perfectly happy with someone posting a job of

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Eric Furman
On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 21:07:16 +0100, "Patrick Useldinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, > > we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and > > demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. > > True. I'm curren

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Adam
Kenny Mann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > His response was a bit rude, however at least the courtesy was made to > attempt a reading on the rules page. He made the best decision he could > given the information he had. No, he posted to the openbsd "user questions and answers" list something that

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Nick Guenther
On 1/3/07, Patrick Useldinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jack J. Woehr wrote: > The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, > we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and > demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread bofh
On 1/3/07, Patrick Useldinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jack J. Woehr wrote: > The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, > we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and > demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread bofh
On 1/3/07, Tom Bombadil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here, here! I agree with Diana! Now go away with your silly questions! > Why would anyone want to work for you? E... unemployement? *pshaw* I laugh at your unemployment! Nothing builds character like hard work and adversity! <- he who

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Marc Balmer
* Patrick Useldinger wrote: > Jack J. Woehr wrote: > >The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, > >we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and > >demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. > > True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to understand the

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Patrick Useldinger
Jack J. Woehr wrote: The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. True. I'm currently evaluating OpenBSD and I am trying to understand the mindset of OpenBSD users by reading the

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Jack J. Woehr
The real problem is that when outsiders stumble into our newsgroups, we shriek, "Ni! Ni!" and demand another shrubbery. Maybe we should just chill out a bit. On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Kenny Mann wrote: > Adam wrote: >> Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> IMHO allowing employers

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Jason Dixon
On Jan 3, 2007, at 2:27 PM, Kenny Mann wrote: I'm failing to understand why this is such a big deal... I must be missing something. Some people enjoy patronizing others. It makes them feel better about themselves. -- Jason Dixon DixonGroup Consulting http://www.dixongroup.net

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Kenny Mann
Adam wrote: Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO allowing employers to seek out OBSD admins for employment helps further encourage OBSD use. misc@ is not for encouraging openbsd use, that's what advocacy@ is for. "Promoting the use of OpenBSD. Non-technical discussions in /m

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Farrell
ell Applied Innovations [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: Adam [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:40 PM > To: Dan Farrell > Cc: OpenBSD > Subject: Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator > > Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Tom Bombadil
> Here, here! I agree with Diana! Now go away with your silly questions! > Why would anyone want to work for you? E... unemployement?

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Adam
Dan Farrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IMHO allowing employers to seek out OBSD admins for employment helps > further encourage OBSD use. misc@ is not for encouraging openbsd use, that's what advocacy@ is for. > So why can't there be a jobs@ or something similar? Is there a > philosophical re

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Timothy K Ewing
y with repeated infractions, do we always have to jump on someone the first time they do something 'wrong'? - Tim Tom Bombadil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/02/2007 08:42 PM To OpenBSD cc Subject Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator The just gu

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread chefren
On 01/03/07 01:22, Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Christopher Snell wrote: And who appointed you list manager? My post was permitted based on my reading of the rules in http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html. Chrris Same person who appoints people like you to respond the way you do.

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Peter Landry
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Diana Eichert > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:03 AM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: &

Re: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Dan Farrell
--Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Diana Eichert > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 9:03 AM > To: OpenBSD > Subject: OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > > >

OT Was: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > Tom Bombadil wrote: > > The just guy sent one single e-mail asking if a bsd user wanted a job, > > which I bet many among us might be interested. > > I've certainly heard from consulting customers who got my info from the > consultants page at OpenBSD ...

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Luca Corti
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 20:03 -0700, Jack J. Woehr wrote: > postings and headhunter poop of course ... Why should we chase away > employers > looking for experts in our slightly arcane and recondite OBSD environment? What about a jobs@ mailing-list? ciao Luca

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Rod.. Whitworth
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 02:37:34 -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: >On Tuesday 02 January 2007 13:09, Christopher Snell wrote: >> Screening Questions: >> >> 1. Based on the following statements (props to Lewis Carroll), answer >> the following questions: >> >> a. What can you logically conclude from these sta

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread John Gould
On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Tuesday 02 January 2007 13:09, Christopher Snell wrote: Screening Questions: 1. Based on the following statements (props to Lewis Carroll), answer the following questions: a. What can you logically conclude from these statements? b. Explain how you

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread Craig Skinner
On Wed, Jan 03, 2007 at 02:37:34AM -0800, J.C. Roberts wrote: > the same time, I see nothing wrong with the occasional job posting to FWIW, I agree to short posts. As this list is subscibed to globally, please state if you expect a person to appear in the flesh, and therefore where the job is lo

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-03 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Tuesday 02 January 2007 13:09, Christopher Snell wrote: > Screening Questions: > > 1. Based on the following statements (props to Lewis Carroll), answer > the following questions: > > a. What can you logically conclude from these statements? > > b. Explain how you came to this conclusion (bonus

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Passeur
Well if there was a JOB section like there is on NetBSD, that would avoid this kind of issues. Just a suggestion... -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Wanted%3A-OpenBSD-Systems-Administrator-tf2910166.html#a8135257 Sent from the openbsd user - misc mailing list archive at Nab

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Jack J. Woehr
Tom Bombadil wrote: The just guy sent one single e-mail asking if a bsd user wanted a job, which I bet many among us might be interested. I've certainly heard from consulting customers who got my info from the consultants page at OpenBSD ... It's hard to understand why one can't post a job req

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Tom Bombadil
The just guy sent one single e-mail asking if a bsd user wanted a job, which I bet many among us might be interested. A bit off topic, yes but if that doesn't apply to someone, bitching just creates more noise... As it is clearly stated in that page: "Complaining about and commenting upon spam on

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Luca Corti
On Tue, 2007-01-02 at 16:50 -0700, Christopher Snell wrote: > And who appointed you list manager? My post was permitted based on my > reading of the rules in http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html. Quoting from the page you cite: >Stay on topic >Please keep the subject of the post relevant to users of

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Diana Eichert
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Christopher Snell wrote: > And who appointed you list manager? My post was permitted based on my > reading of the rules in http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html. > > Chrris Same person who appoints people like you to respond the way you do. diana Past hissy-fits are not a predic

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Christopher Snell
And who appointed you list manager? My post was permitted based on my reading of the rules in http://www.openbsd.org/mail.html. Chrris On 1/2/07, Diana Eichert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, enough is enough, no more employment want ad stuff. Funny how I can ignore the stupid lamer posts, b

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Diana Eichert
Okay, enough is enough, no more employment want ad stuff. Funny how I can ignore the stupid lamer posts, but I find employment want ad posts deplorable enough to reply. go figure. diana

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Karl R. Balsmeier
Marc Balmer wrote: * Christopher Snell wrote: Hi Folks, I hope you will excuse the commercial nature of this post; I figured that this is the best place to find what we are looking for. looking for people myself, I must admit that I dislike abusing misc for this a bit, misc@ is for

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Darren Spruell
On 1/2/07, Darrin Chandler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:43:51PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > * Christopher Snell wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I hope you will excuse the commercial nature of this post; I figured > > that this is the best place to find what we are looking fo

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Jan 02, 2007 at 10:43:51PM +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: > * Christopher Snell wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > > > I hope you will excuse the commercial nature of this post; I figured > > that this is the best place to find what we are looking for. > > looking for people myself, I must admit that I

Re: Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Marc Balmer
* Christopher Snell wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I hope you will excuse the commercial nature of this post; I figured > that this is the best place to find what we are looking for. looking for people myself, I must admit that I dislike abusing misc for this a bit, misc@ is for discussind OpenBSD relat

Wanted: OpenBSD Systems Administrator

2007-01-02 Thread Christopher Snell
Hi Folks, I hope you will excuse the commercial nature of this post; I figured that this is the best place to find what we are looking for. Backcountry.com is seeking an OpenBSD and Linux systems administrator to join its Systems and Networks Engineering team. Qualified applicants will have soli