Re: here one more array in the pipe prisoner.. suggestion

2025-07-28 Thread Dan
Thx.. Crystal Kolipe wrote: > On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 01:26:00PM +0200, Dan wrote: > > result [filename] > > > > And programmatically is really appreciable/ted :) > > Have you tried 'sha256 -r'? > Dan -- Blog: https://bsd.gaoxio.com - Repo: https://code.5mode.com Please reply to the

Re: here one more array in the pipe prisoner.. suggestion

2025-07-28 Thread Crystal Kolipe
On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 01:26:00PM +0200, Dan wrote: > result [filename] > > And programmatically is really appreciable/ted :) Have you tried 'sha256 -r'?

Re: here one more array in the pipe prisoner.. suggestion

2025-07-28 Thread Dan
Small portable suggestion to OpenBSD. Tools like these ones in Debian are all consistent in their final result: wc -c jquery-3.6.0.min.js md5sum jquery-3.6.0.min.js shasum -a 256 jquery-3.6.0.min.js result [filename] And programmatically is really appreciable/ted :) Dan -- Blog

Re: Suggestion for improving FAQ14: UUIDs

2023-02-08 Thread Ashlen
On 23/02/06 09:35, Thomas Dettbarn wrote: > Hello! > > tl;dr: I would like to suggest adding a line about the virtues of UUID to the > FAQ14. Something along the lines of "Remember to set up the UUID in your > /etc/fstab afterwards." or something. It does outline this problem here. https://www.ope

Suggestion for improving FAQ14: UUIDs

2023-02-06 Thread Thomas Dettbarn
the /home. If I WOULD HAVE BEEN smarter, I would have used a UUID in my fstab. Anyways, it is my believe that adding a line to each section might help the next person as stupid as me, hence my suggestion. Thomas

Re: Suggestion for small improvement in acme-client.conf.5

2021-01-10 Thread Jason McIntyre
On Sat, Jan 09, 2021 at 05:08:14PM +0100, Wolf wrote: > Hello, > > I have small suggestion for improving man page for acme-client.conf.5. > Basically just adding "comma separated" to clarify on the format of the > list for alternative names. I had to dig into the parser.y

Re: Suggestion for small improvement in acme-client.conf.5

2021-01-09 Thread Wolf
Hello, On 2021-01-09 22:20:26 +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2021-01-09, Wolf wrote: > > I have small suggestion for improving man page for acme-client.conf.5. > > Basically just adding "comma separated" to clarify on the format of the > > list for alternati

Re: Suggestion for small improvement in acme-client.conf.5

2021-01-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2021-01-09, Wolf wrote: > I have small suggestion for improving man page for acme-client.conf.5. > Basically just adding "comma separated" to clarify on the format of the > list for alternative names. I had to dig into the parser.y to figure > this out, so it wo

Suggestion for small improvement in acme-client.conf.5

2021-01-09 Thread Wolf
Hello, I have small suggestion for improving man page for acme-client.conf.5. Basically just adding "comma separated" to clarify on the format of the list for alternative names. I had to dig into the parser.y to figure this out, so it would be nice to have it documented. diff --

Re: Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 6:36 PM Theo de Raadt wrote: > > There have also been proposals that IF we the files are present in the > ramdisk, we use them. But then the questions are not in the same order > for all install methods. Another proposal was for upgrades if the files > exist in the base, w

Re: Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
Christer Solskogen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 4:43 PM Christopher Turkel < > turkel.christop...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why would you want that? I’m curious. > > > Just to place it together with the rest of the questions. Bulk them > together so to speak. > Now the installation waits for

Re: Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 4:43 PM Christopher Turkel < turkel.christop...@gmail.com> wrote: > Why would you want that? I’m curious. Just to place it together with the rest of the questions. Bulk them together so to speak. Now the installation waits for input about the timezone, before it continues

Re: Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
Christer Solskogen wrote: > Would it make sense to move the timezone question to before the fetching > and extraction of the install sets starts? No, because the timezone files are in the sets, because they don't fit on all the media.

Re: Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Christopher Turkel
Why would you want that? I’m curious. On Tuesday, December 1, 2020, Christer Solskogen < christer.solsko...@gmail.com> wrote: > Would it make sense to move the timezone question to before the fetching > and extraction of the install sets starts? > > -- > chs >

Installer suggestion

2020-12-01 Thread Christer Solskogen
Would it make sense to move the timezone question to before the fetching and extraction of the install sets starts? -- chs

Re: suggestion for the installer

2020-10-30 Thread Harald Dunkel
On 10/29/20 3:38 PM, Nick Holland wrote: On 2020-10-29 08:00, Harald Dunkel wrote: Hi folks, do you think it would be possible for the installer to show an eye-catching warning, if "ifconfig" reports "no carrier" for the network port to configure? Just a suggestion, o

Re: suggestion for the installer

2020-10-29 Thread Tom Smyth
think it would be possible for the installer to show > > > an eye-catching warning, if "ifconfig" reports "no carrier" > > > for the network port to configure? > > > > > > Just a suggestion, of course > > > Harri > > > >

Re: suggestion for the installer

2020-10-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
Nick Holland wrote: > On 2020-10-29 08:00, Harald Dunkel wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > > do you think it would be possible for the installer to show > > an eye-catching warning, if "ifconfig" reports "no carrier" > > for the network por

Re: suggestion for the installer

2020-10-29 Thread Tom Smyth
> for the network port to configure? > > Just a suggestion, of course > Harri > -- Kindest regards, Tom Smyth.

Re: suggestion for the installer

2020-10-29 Thread Nick Holland
On 2020-10-29 08:00, Harald Dunkel wrote: > Hi folks, > > do you think it would be possible for the installer to show > an eye-catching warning, if "ifconfig" reports "no carrier" > for the network port to configure? > > Just a suggestion, of course >

suggestion for the installer

2020-10-29 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi folks, do you think it would be possible for the installer to show an eye-catching warning, if "ifconfig" reports "no carrier" for the network port to configure? Just a suggestion, of course Harri

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-24 Thread Pedro Caetano
The hardware is good. After an AC incident, I've had some of those cavium nics melt the cpu thermal paste, dripping all over the mainboard. (this nics are inserted into a riser card, facing down the mainboard) The machine kept running! A quarta, 24/06/2020, 21:12, Pierre Emeriaud escreveu:

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-24 Thread Pierre Emeriaud
Le mer. 24 juin 2020 à 13:01, Stuart Henderson a écrit : > > On 2020-06-23, Daniel Ouellet wrote: > > OpenBSD does run on some old Cisco routers, it's been done before. Sure > > it's not officially supported nor does it support all the various > > interfaces but it's known to work on some. Not a

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-24 Thread Kaya Saman
On 6/24/20 11:58 AM, Stuart Henderson wrote: On 2020-06-23, Daniel Ouellet wrote: Have a look through https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/embedded/servers / https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/embedded/rackmount and you'll find quite a few things that give the perception "solid custom net

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-24 Thread Stuart Henderson
don't make them fell good, Now that is true ... >>>but seeing a Cisco box kind of wipe out the >>> impression. paint the chassis blue-green and put a sticker on it? ;) >>> I am not saying it's justify, but perception is som

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Kaya Saman
ave the OBSD box doing all the major routing, vlans, firewall (pf) etc... while the Cisco could just simply forward information between the private and public IP ranges. Or if using dial-in then you can bridge the OBSD and Cisco then use OBSD as the PPPoE device It is one suggestion in any case t

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Daniel Ouellet
jor > routing, vlans, firewall (pf) etc... while the Cisco could just simply > forward information between the private and public IP ranges. Or if > using dial-in then you can bridge the OBSD and Cisco then use OBSD as > the PPPoE device > > It is one suggestion in any case

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Daniel Ouellet
m fell good, but seeing a Cisco box kind of wipe out the >> impression. I am not saying it's justify, but perception is sometime >> everything, but if I have my say in it I want all my routers to be >> OpenBSD as much as I can where the needs is not to multiple Gb in speed.

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
ind of wipe out the impression. I am not saying it's justify, but perception is sometime everything, but if I have my say in it I want all my routers to be OpenBSD as much as I can where the needs is not to multiple Gb in speed. So, any suggestion or updates as to what's now available a

Re: Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Kaya Saman
SD as the PPPoE device.... It is one suggestion in any case though it might not be the most ideal. Regards, Kaya On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 5:03 PM Daniel Ouellet wrote: > > Hi, > > This might be a bit weird question, but I saw the wireguard being put in > the kernel in the last few d

Any idea/suggestion for old Cisco router to be use running OpenBSD current for WG?

2020-06-23 Thread Daniel Ouellet
n it I want all my routers to be OpenBSD as much as I can where the needs is not to multiple Gb in speed. So, any suggestion or updates as to what's now available and hopefully in use now. I really don't care for any special model, or even Juniper, as long as I can put OpenBSD on it. So

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Daniel Boyd
True, but I think it’s cleaner when you’re actually calling the function to not have to send a hashref. Small thing, of course, but I figure you write a function once, but call it many times. I’d rather the function call be cleaner/simpler than the function definition for that reason. Sent from

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Marc Chantreux
> you can do by array Both of them are borring once you used the signatures but they are still experimental. Also: if you don't mind a new dependency: Function::Paramaters is so much convenient. regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Holger Glaess
hi you can do by array sub m4 { my ( $self,$args ) = @_; # $args contains # $args->{'bla'} = blub # $args->['do'} = whatever } as call ( example ) $obj->m4 ({ bla => blub , do => whatever }); holger Am 02.01.20 um 21:40 schrieb danieljb...@icloud.com: What if you want named paramet

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Stuart Longland
On 3/1/20 8:31 pm, Marc Chantreux wrote: >> Any modern mailreader can easily tag messages as thread, so it's trivial to >> avoid a given thread, as long as people don't fuck around with the >> In-Reply-To info. > > i have to admit this isn't an argument: if most of the people don't read > it, we s

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Marc Chantreux
> Any modern mailreader can easily tag messages as thread, so it's trivial to > avoid a given thread, as long as people don't fuck around with the > In-Reply-To info. i have to admit this isn't an argument: if most of the people don't read it, we should have the ability to save bandwidth by settin

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-03 Thread Marc Chantreux
> Yes well, my point is if you want to make a piece of code > incomprehensible, I don't think there is a language that will stop you. indeed. but i now realize the counterpart is not true because everyone has something different in mind when it comes to readability. last example was yesterday:

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 11:52:03PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > > You have something like 3 lines of perl to play with ;) > > is there a todo list somewhere ? More or less in my head, with lots of subprojects progressing at any given time. - I want to retire PackageLocator and have more co

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Jan 03, 2020 at 09:43:21AM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > On 3/1/20 8:50 am, Marc Chantreux wrote: > >> Like this thread, or worse? > > * long doesn't mean endless > > * sharing points of view is never sterile (yours is inspired by other > > ones, right?) > > I would say it's been highl

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 2/1/20 9:43 pm, Marc Chantreux wrote: > arf ... i just tried to explain were this "linenoise" bullshit came from > just in the answer i gave to frank Yes well, my point is if you want to make a piece of code incomprehensible, I don't think there is a language that will stop you. I had a collea

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 2020-01-02 16:52, Marc Chantreux wrote: You have something like 3 lines of perl to play with ;) is there a todo list somewhere ? find /usr/src -name '*.pm' | xargs grep XXX Shows some promising results. Edgar regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 2/1/20 8:48 pm, Marc Espie wrote: >> I've seen some pretty ugly Python code too. > Not to beat a dead horse, but most of the python configury stuff, > including scons, is pretty shitty. Lots of really bad pseudo-OO stuf > (hey let's use that cool feature just because we can) Yeah, you won't g

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 3/1/20 8:50 am, Marc Chantreux wrote: >> Like this thread, or worse? > * long doesn't mean endless > * sharing points of view is never sterile (yours is inspired by other > ones, right?) I would say it's been highly educational. Granted, this did not get off to a good start with the "let's r

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
> You have something like 3 lines of perl to play with ;) is there a todo list somewhere ? regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 02:16:52PM -0500, Daniel Jakots wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:49:28 +0100, Marc Chantreux > > some endless sterile debates > Like this thread, or worse? * long doesn't mean endless * sharing points of view is never sterile (yours is inspired by other ones, right?) so

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 04:10:43PM -0500, Paul Wisehart wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 09:12:42PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > > > Here are my current guidelines for OpenBSD perl tools. > > > > Can you eleborate in greater detail? > Not really, just go read the code and ask questions. You h

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Paul Wisehart
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 09:12:42PM +0100, Marc Espie wrote: > > Here are my current guidelines for OpenBSD perl tools. > Can you eleborate in greater detail?

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 02:40:25PM -0600, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > What if you want named parameters? (i.e. sending a hash as your > argument) > > sub m4 > { > my $self = shift; > my %args = @_; > > # and then optionally > my ($arg1, $arg2, $arg3) = @args{qw/arg1 arg2 arg3/

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread danieljboyd
What if you want named parameters? (i.e. sending a hash as your argument) sub m4 { my $self = shift; my %args = @_; # and then optionally my ($arg1, $arg2, $arg3) = @args{qw/arg1 arg2 arg3/}; # or you can just use $args{arg1}, etc... } On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 09:12:42PM +01

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 03:24:41PM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: > mod_perl, from reading the mailing list, looks like it will die off > before long. Lack of developers and funding and interest given all the > newer replacements. Don't even think about using mod_perl these days. Fast-cgi is the way

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Chris Bennett
I don't speak Python, but from what I've read, it has some serious encoding problems compared to Perl. This is a real problem in today's world of multiple encodings. Apparently the guy writing about this is pretty hated for bringing up this serious flaw. If the problem is true, he has examples, th

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 07:49:28PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 10:42:54AM -0600, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > > I don't understand why people say that perl's flexibility is a negative. > > because sometimes, flexibility permit some endless sterile debates about > the

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:49:28 +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > some endless sterile debates Like this thread, or worse?

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 10:42:54AM -0600, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > I don't understand why people say that perl's flexibility is a negative. because sometimes, flexibility permit some endless sterile debates about the coding style. marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
> I will always lean towards idiot-proofing the code. :)) fair enough. regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread danieljboyd
I don't understand why people say that perl's flexibility is a negative. Bad code is a negative. You can have bad or inconsistent code even in a language like python that has very rigid syntax. As long as you know perl well, you should be able to read any well-written perl code. To me, both of t

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-02 Thread Strahil Nikolov
On January 1, 2020 2:14:03 PM GMT+02:00, Frank Beuth wrote: >On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 10:29:53AM +, e...@isdaq.com wrote: >>> But I don't want deeper point to get missed -- which is that if eecd >>> doesn't like the idea of regulating what the programmer can do, then >the >>> programmer has to

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 04:22:08PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > hello, > > > > my %user = qw( > > > login mc > > > shell /bin/zsh > > > ); > > > print $user{login}; > > > my %user = ( login => 'mc', shell => 'bin/zsh'); > > is way more readable in that case, I thin

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > > my %user = qw( > > login mc > > shell /bin/zsh > > ); > > print $user{login}; > my %user = ( login => 'mc', shell => 'bin/zsh'); > is way more readable in that case, I think, > and it does showcase what a *smart* quoting system can do. well ... i prefer t

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 12:40:51PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > the quoting system > > # qw( for a list of barewords ) > my %user = qw( > login mc > shell /bin/zsh > ); > print $user{login}; I wouldn't write it that way my %user = ( login => 'mc', shell => 'bi

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
> Not sure about anyone else, but comparing the Python vs Perl example you > gave above, I would still say Python is the nicer-looking language. i was just saying that there is no need for yield in perl. now i can show you tons of examples to demonstrate perl code is not only more "unixish" but ea

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello Stuart, > Heh, I've heard Perl described as executable line noise, and for sure, > it will let you write code like that. arf ... i just tried to explain were this "linenoise" bullshit came from just in the answer i gave to frank regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Marc Espie
On Thu, Jan 02, 2020 at 07:34:22PM +1000, Stuart Longland wrote: > On 2/1/20 12:30 am, Marc Chantreux wrote: > > * the python community was unfair comparing the langages (using ugly > > perl code and nice python counterparts). instead of taking time to > > explain all the biases, perl community

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 2/1/20 12:30 am, Marc Chantreux wrote: > * the python community was unfair comparing the langages (using ugly > perl code and nice python counterparts). instead of taking time to > explain all the biases, perl community repetedly asserted that the > authors of those article were incompeten

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-02 Thread Stuart Longland
On 1/1/20 9:08 pm, Marc Espie wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:36:15PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: >> Of course its age is showing in some areas but in my experience, those >> things are actually still worked on, and have been fixed without major >> incompatibilities (python3 anyone?). > The

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Frank Beuth
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 03:30:44PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: why is this ? return is the perl yield. the only difference is that the "exhausted" situation is on your own. so basically: def count_from(x): while True: yield x x = x + 1 naturals = count_from(0

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
> Did you ever look at the suite of modules from John Syracusa (DB::Rose and > the like) ? fairly clean and nice. I had this under my radar but no one around be wanted to test anything else but DBIxC so i never took time to read the code or use it. regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 04:44:48PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > > I still thing DBIx::Class is overkill. The DB::Rose stuff was way simpler > > and I would have preferred for it to win. > > Well... i liked the simplicity until i had some cases like having 2 > different DBs with the same model: p

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > > what do you mean by this? prototypes are here for decades and signatures > > are experimental and i guess it will be core in some releases. > Stuff like > $o->method { code } ooohh right! this is a thing i also missed with perl (fixed in raku). > > Template toolkit is still by far th

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 03:43:38PM +0100, Marc Chantreux wrote: > hello, > > > The only thing that's really missing in perl is proper thread support. > > Don't know if that's going to happen. > > seems ... complicated ... Tell me about it. The only existing thread support was so clunky it got t

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > The only thing that's really missing in perl is proper thread support. > Don't know if that's going to happen. just to be sure: are you aware of the MCE module? https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/MCE/lib/MCE.pod regards marc

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Roderick
BTW. Also tcl has coroutines since a while: https://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.6/TclCmd/coroutine.htm Rodrigo.

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > Actually all the cool and useful ideas that perl6 had DID trickle down > into perl5 a few years ago. even if you load a lot of modules from CPAN (which i tried to do with https://metacpan.org/pod/Sympatic), this is not even close to be true! for example, raku has * PEGs are objects * m

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > The only thing that's really missing in perl is proper thread support. > Don't know if that's going to happen. seems ... complicated ... > I have a wish-list of things that are not that likely to happen, I would > like to be able to use prototypes on methods, for instance. what do you

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, as intro: i would like to make clear that i'm not promoting perl (my go to langage for scripting is now raku by far) but as i was a member of the perl community more than 20 years, i have some opinions about it. > felt like a random hack, especially compared to ruby. The only thing I > rea

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Frank Beuth
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 10:29:53AM +, e...@isdaq.com wrote: But I don't want deeper point to get missed -- which is that if eecd doesn't like the idea of regulating what the programmer can do, then the programmer has to have the skills to safely write unsafe code. no you're belying the poin

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:56:46PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: > read fucking code. change fucking things. send some fucking diffs. get > fucking yelled at. learn from your fucking mistakes. show some fucking > passion. filter fucking misc@ and all this useless bleating into the > toilet. > > none o

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 09:06:38PM +0100, Christer Solskogen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM Marc Espie wrote: > > > We did retire vax, and we no longer have any platform without dynamic > > libraries. > > > > > OT but: out of sheer curiosity, why didn't VAX support dynamic libraries? V

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 10:06:47AM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 4:51 AM Stuart Longland > wrote: > > > Perl 6 will be a major change though, more disruptive than the Python2→3 > > mess was. So we may be in for some "fun" in the near future. > > Gotta stop this before

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
ad. And my point wasn’t to be disrespectful, but to point out > > that most proposals unaccompanied by code and that don’t solve > > obvious problems don’t seem to be received very well. Apologies if > > that wasn’t within bounds. > > What if the OP had instead of the

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2020-01-01 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 10:36:15PM +0100, Anders Andersson wrote: > Of course its age is showing in some areas but in my experience, those > things are actually still worked on, and have been fixed without major > incompatibilities (python3 anyone?). The only thing that's really missing in perl is

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread eecd
> where do I sign up for OpenBSD write-perfect-C-code programmer training bootcamp? here we go ladies and gents an unadulterated look at the manchild in the wild as he looks for something else to take responsibility for his work. after decades of being spoonfed it's lost the ability to fend fo

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Frank Beuth
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 11:56:46PM -0700, Bob Beck wrote: read fucking code. change fucking things. send some fucking diffs. get fucking yelled at. learn from your fucking mistakes. show some fucking passion. filter fucking misc@ and all this useless bleating into the toilet. none of us have

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2020-01-01 Thread Anders Andersson
On Wed, Jan 1, 2020 at 4:51 AM Stuart Longland wrote: > Perl 6 will be a major change though, more disruptive than the Python2→3 > mess was. So we may be in for some "fun" in the near future. Gotta stop this before it derails: perl 6 is not the next version of perl 5. It's not compatible, it's

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Bob Beck
read fucking code. change fucking things. send some fucking diffs. get fucking yelled at. learn from your fucking mistakes. show some fucking passion. filter fucking misc@ and all this useless bleating into the toilet. none of us have time to spoon feed you in some “boot camp” there are two ty

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Frank Beuth
On Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 04:00:37AM +, e...@isdaq.com wrote: rather than the programmer being responsible for writing unsafe code we need to regulate what the programmer can do just like we need to regulate what the community can say, do, see, and think. where do I sign up for OpenBSD write

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread eecd
> I like where this thread is headed. > > To expand on this idea, maybe we should demonstrate how diversity and > inclusiveness can work in an operating system via language choices. > Why stop at TCL and LUA? Or even scripting languages in general. Why > not Go, Rust, Haskell and Scala too? >

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Stuart Longland
On 1/1/20 6:06 am, Christer Solskogen wrote: > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM Marc Espie wrote: > >> We did retire vax, and we no longer have any platform without dynamic >> libraries. >> >> > OT but: out of sheer curiosity, why didn't VAX support dynamic libraries? > Did vax have an MMU? Tha

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Stuart Longland
On 1/1/20 3:13 am, danieljb...@icloud.com wrote: > I'm curious to know if there are any languages other than C and perl in > use in OpenBSD base. /bin/sh? *ducks* -- Stuart Longland (aka Redhatter, VK4MSL) I haven't lost my mind... ...it's backed up on a tape somewhere.

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Stuart Longland
On 31/12/19 10:57 pm, Daniel Boyd wrote: > As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be their > favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry Wall at this > point—I’d like to say that perl should stay in base on its merits, all the > perl-based system to

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
espectful, but to point out > > that most proposals unaccompanied by code and that don’t solve > > obvious problems don’t seem to be received very well. Apologies if > > that wasn’t within bounds. > > What if the OP had instead of the suggestion submitted two or three Lua > s

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Steve Litt
companied by code and that don’t solve > obvious problems don’t seem to be received very well. Apologies if > that wasn’t within bounds. What if the OP had instead of the suggestion submitted two or three Lua scripts to replace two or three Perl scripts? Would you still have the same opinio

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Daniel Boyd
We could always rewrite the entire operating system in Pascal. FreePascal and GNU Pascal are both GPL, so we’ll need to write a new compiler as well. Shouldn’t take too long. Who wants to go register openpascal.org? I’ll get a diff started program OpenBSD; begin { some code here } end. Sent fr

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Christopher Turkel
I am still waiting to this diff myself. On Tuesday, December 31, 2019, Theo de Raadt wrote: > I guess I'm saying in these trying times it is considered disrespectful > to dismiss completely labour-unsupported "ideas", obviously once we accept > the Great Idea the OP will sit down and do all the

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
I guess I'm saying in these trying times it is considered disrespectful to dismiss completely labour-unsupported "ideas", obviously once we accept the Great Idea the OP will sit down and do all the required work to prove the cast after the fact. Eric Zylstra wrote: > Proposing such a huge projec

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Eric Zylstra
Proposing such a huge project without the ability to do it? I may have been a little disrespectful, but not the first one in the thread. And my point wasn’t to be disrespectful, but to point out that most proposals unaccompanied by code and that don’t solve obvious problems don’t seem to be re

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
Isn't it a bit disrespectful to assume someone on misc@ is going to write such a large diff? > Maybe the OP could just go ahead and replace all the Perl code with Lua and > then ask for feedback from the other devs? That is the OpenBSD way, right? > If it really is a great idea, they’d all be

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Eric Zylstra
Maybe the OP could just go ahead and replace all the Perl code with Lua and then ask for feedback from the other devs? That is the OpenBSD way, right? If it really is a great idea, they’d all be really excited. In any case, it would kill this thread. EZ Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 20

Re: perl popularity inside openbsd community? (Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl ...)

2019-12-31 Thread Anders Andersson
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 4:30 PM Marc Chantreux wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 06:57:02AM -0600, Daniel Boyd wrote: > > As one of the few remaining people out there who considers perl to be > > their favorite language—starting to wonder if it’s just me and Larry > > Wall at this point—I’d like

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-31 Thread Christer Solskogen
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM Marc Espie wrote: > We did retire vax, and we no longer have any platform without dynamic > libraries. > > OT but: out of sheer curiosity, why didn't VAX support dynamic libraries?

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