On Fri, Sep 28, 2018 at 12:25:12PM +0200, Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
> Craig,
>
> Thank you for your exhaustive reply - the list of checks along with
> current workarounds to achieve them are very helpful. I now know that
> I need to learn even more.
>
Indeed, interesting reading.
> > OpenSMTPd's f
Craig,
Thank you for your exhaustive reply - the list of checks along with
current workarounds to achieve them are very helpful. I now know that
I need to learn even more.
> OpenSMTPd's filter interface is not yet usable (last update 12/2014):
> http://www.poolp.org/posts/2014-12-12/the-state-of-
On 19/09/18 00:01, Craig Skinner wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:33:52 Mik J wrote:
>> The only drawback I see is that roundcube is less sexy and less good
>> than gmail.
> Webmail isn't worth bothering with at all. Too complicated.
>
> All desktops & mobile phones/tablets have various IMAP client
On 10/09/18 22:30, Craig Skinner wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 11:23:35 -0400 Ken M wrote:
>> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal
>> email server? Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
> Being a postmaster (email server administrator) and hostmaster (DNS
> server
On Wed, 26 Sep 2018 16:32:35 +0200 Aham Brahmasmi wrote:
> 1) Could you please suggest some script/mechanism that performs
> these DNS PTR == SMTP HELO, envelope-address-from-domains-have-MX et
> al checks with OpenSMTPD as the MTA?
Sorry Aham, I don't know of any.
OpenSMTPd's filter interface is
Hi Craig,
Thank you for sharing your valuable experience. I apologize for bumping
up this slightly old thread.
> After that, the MTA needs to be able to check the DNS validity of the
> sender's SMTP HELO hostname, and check their DNS PTR record is valid,
> and both the mail's envelope and address
Oh is it dead??
It used to be THE thing mind you it was the turn of the century that we
are talking about! looks like I'm a little out of date lol
Personally I haven't played around with Mail Web clients for a while;
yeah there is Roundcube or Horde which was quite cool when I ran it in
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:56:43 +0100 Zé Loff wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2018 at 03:01:45PM +0100, Craig Skinner wrote:
> > Webmail is dead junk.
>
> Until the day your gadget's battery runs out,
Charge it Zé Solved.
> you don't have your laptop with you and you need to borrow
Have your friend
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 15:25:20 + Tim Jones wrote:
>
> > Webmail isn't worth bothering with at all. Too complicated.
>
> Let me rephrase that for you.
No Tim, I wont let you speak for me.
How about you rewrite ntpd into ntpw and run your clock on port 80,
all because the Network Time Protocol
marko.cu...@mimar.rs (Marko Cupać), 2018.09.18 (Tue) 10:58 (CEST):
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:32:25 +0100
> Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>
> > I see clamav and other scanning stuff as an insecurity personally.
>
> Can you elaborate, please?
It's a case of Enumerating Badness :-)
http://www.ranum.com/sec
Hi,
Please do not recommend SquirrelMail. It is unmaintained. Its last
release was 5 years ago.
User interfaces like Roundcube and Rainloop work well enough and still
are actively maintained. I do not know how well those other ones you
listed work.
Alternatively, direct your users to some clear
> Webmail isn't worth bothering with at all. Too complicated.
Let me rephrase that for you.
Webmail is easy. Open source webmail is all horrible stuff stuck in the last
century.
To make open source webmail look and behave like the is the complicated bit.
Hi postmasters,
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:33:52 Mik J wrote:
> The only drawback I see is that roundcube is less sexy and less good
> than gmail.
Webmail isn't worth bothering with at all. Too complicated.
All desktops & mobile phones/tablets have various IMAP clients.
For computers, there are IMA
Take a look other here:
https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-8871/Clamav.html
El mar., 18 sept. 2018 a las 11:02, Marko Cupać ()
escribió:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:32:25 +0100
> Kevin Chadwick wrote:
>
> > I see clamav and other scanning stuff as an insecurity personally.
>
On Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:32:25 +0100
Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> I see clamav and other scanning stuff as an insecurity personally.
Can you elaborate, please?
--
Before enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
After enlightenment - chop wood, draw water.
Marko Cupać
https://www.mimar.rs/
On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 13:20:22 -0700
> I don't mind throwing in PostgreSQL, but where are some good
> table/column examples?
SQL is for centralisation of many servers, it will likely be slower
otherwise.
There is greyscanner in ports. You can use that as a model for your own
scripts to do extra c
Chris,
In my opinion it needs a lot of reading and testing to make the puzzle in one
go.
But for path A -> B -> C -> D -> E -> F -> G -> H -> I, you might also want to
do A -> B first and test it.
That means send an email between two users locally.
This way you'll understand better the role of
On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 06:33:52PM +, Mik J wrote:
>
> Really it will take time, here are the components I installed for this to
> work: opensmtp, dkimproxy, clamav, clamsmtp, nginx, roundcube, prosody,
> dovecot, let's encrypt, bind
>
> I'm using imapsync for the migration and plan to use
Hello,
I started to use my own mail server two years ago, but a few years ago I tried
it unsuccessfully.
So yes it will take you some time to set it up with all options.
Now for your needs I would advice you openbsd+opensmtpd, you don't especially
need performance just a one box solution.
The
On Thu, 13 Sep 2018 09:24:18 +0200 Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
> The part about getting a static IP address with correct reverse
> lookup is truly essential.
Yes, this hostmaster work is more important for deliverability than the
*optional* TLS & DKIM stuff, which I still don't bother at all with
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 11:01:13PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote:
> Have run my own mail server for maybe 20 years of OpenBSD, and apart from
> getting my ISP to give me a static IP and a correct reverse DNS entry, and
> a couple of run ins with a few filters that dumb ISPs run, it's worked
> fine al
On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 11:01:13PM -0600, Austin Hook wrote:
> Have run my own mail server for maybe 20 years of OpenBSD, and apart from
> getting my ISP to give me a static IP and a correct reverse DNS entry, and
> a couple of run ins with a few filters that dumb ISPs run, it's worked
> fine al
On Sun, 9 Sep 2018, Thomas Bohl wrote:
> > But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
> > TWICE* if "running your own mail server" is something you are planning to
> > do on your home internet connection.
>
> For all intents a
Op Sat, 08 Sep 2018 17:36:07 +0200 schreef Ken M :
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 11:32:00AM -0400, Jay Hart wrote:
I've run my own email server for 15 years now I think. I stick with
Linux for email server,
OpenBSD for routing/firewall. I personally find this is the best of
both worlds...
Just my
On Tue, 11 Sep 2018 11:23:36 +0100
> dropping/prevention especially with Linux tools. Postfix is decent
> wherever it runs, of course.
I guess I meant trapping and timing out not dropping before someone
calls foul.
It is really interesting which disposable addresses receive spam.
Obvious ones b
On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 13:30:37 +0100
> OpenBSD is the best OS for both tasks (I've worked for an ISP doing
> both roles, on other operating systems).
+1
I much prefer the OpenBSD options including spamd and smtpd to the
Linux options. Linux options seem to focus on filtering and
inspection which
On 09-10 13:30, Craig Skinner wrote:
> Being a postmaster (email server administrator) and hostmaster (DNS
> server administrator) is fun, hectic, and takes about 5 years to learn.
> []
> Save yourself the trouble and let them use their gMail
> accounts/addresses directly. They'll soon be gett
Hi Ken,
On Sat, 8 Sep 2018 11:23:35 -0400 Ken M wrote:
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal
> email server? Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
Being a postmaster (email server administrator) and hostmaster (DNS
server administrator) is fun, hectic, and ta
> On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 10:55:40AM -0700, jungle Boogie wrote:
> > Ken,
> >
> > Just curious, are you using pf to filter out the bad websites for
> > you kids? I find that to be more challenging for our older daughter
> > to not stumble into the bad stuff and not the wholesome sites like
> > ope
e job. No argument
> there.
>
>> But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
>> TWICE* if "running your own mail server" is something you are planning to do
>> on your home internet connection.
>>
>> Why ?
>>
>>
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 04:52:01PM +, Ken M wrote:
> But frankly they go to a friends house in our red neck area with non tech
> savvy
> parents and who knows what happens. But frankly anywhere they are there is
> always something that could happen. I feel like there is no winning the battle
>
On 9/9/18 5:54 PM, Ken M wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 05:49:31PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:
In a nutshell, monitoring email is concentrating on what is really
likely to be one of the less problematic areas. The others, which IMO
are MUCH more likely to be involved if any problems do occu
On a side note to this whole chain. My wife and I had another conversation about
this, and I think we are on the same page that there is no win in monitoring
their email. So I think I can stay out of the mail server business for now,
which I like.
I pointed our how her dad was a cop and what happe
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 05:49:31PM +0100, Stuart Henderson wrote:
>
> In a nutshell, monitoring email is concentrating on what is really
> likely to be one of the less problematic areas. The others, which IMO
> are MUCH more likely to be involved if any problems do occur, are less
> amenable to th
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 05:46:40PM +0100, Kaya Saman wrote:
>
> Maybe your ISP has option for "Parental Control"?? I know these days it is a
> big concern so many do offer this type of service
>
>
> Just a thought??
>
As I mentioned we use OpenDNS for the home internet, which handles all
c
On 2018/09/09 12:37, Ken M wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:08:39AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> > Scanning for troubling words is not going to work without being able to
> > see the email itself for context. Whether it's automated scanning or
> > reading the mails yourself there are still p
On 9/9/18 5:42 PM, Ken M wrote:
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 11:24:38AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote:
While you should not take technical advice on mail servers from me,
I've raised two kids to adulthood with a 17 year old to go, and had
almost 200 foster children.
The impedance mismatch you have
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 11:24:38AM -0500, Ed Ahlsen-Girard wrote:
>
> While you should not take technical advice on mail servers from me,
> I've raised two kids to adulthood with a 17 year old to go, and had
> almost 200 foster children.
>
> The impedance mismatch you have with the missus is mor
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:08:39AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> Scanning for troubling words is not going to work without being able to
> see the email itself for context. Whether it's automated scanning or
> reading the mails yourself there are still privacy issues. Plus whatever
> monitoring
on the page of using the right tool for the job. No argument
there.
> But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
> TWICE* if "running your own mail server" is something you are planning to do
> on your home internet connection.
>
> Why ?
>
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 12:23:41PM +, Thomas Bohl wrote:
> > But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
> > TWICE* if "running your own mail server" is something you are planning to
> > do on your home internet connection.
>
Am 09.09.2018 um 15:36 schrieb flipchan:
> Randomly jumping into this thread , does anyone have a quick and easy way to
> do auto matical responses to certain aliases in opensmtpd?
>
Not with OpenSMTPD, but with Dovecot's Sieve
https://wiki2.dovecot.org/Pigeonhole/Sieve/Examples#Vacation_auto
t;running your own mail server" is something you are
>planning to do on your home internet connection.
>
>For all intents and purposes, sending emails from a private internet
>connection directly to the receiving MX stopped working 15 years ago.
>(People started blocking ever
> But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
> TWICE* if "running your own mail server" is something you are planning to do
> on your home internet connection.
For all intents and purposes, sending emails from a private internet
connect
On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 10:08:39AM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
> >> own email server, when I have never done it before on any OS, worth it
> >> over some
> >> other solution. And yes I am very open to other suggestions for a
> >> solution, even
> >> if it is something I have to pay for, to avoid
On 2018-09-09, Friedrich Locke wrote:
> if you demand for performance, FreeBSD + Qmail-ldap is THE way to go.
qmail-ldap (or, well, anything+ldap for that matter) is a relatively
complex setup and total overkill for a personal mail server.
>
> On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:26 PM Ken M wrote:
>
>> Ju
mail, but I know
saying that is probably amounts to heresy round here, so I all I will say is
"do your homework, test various options, see what works for you".
But the second (far more important) point I want to make is please *THINK
TWICE* if "running your own mail server"
I definitely agree to qmail
It was a learning curve for me in the late 90's to get it going on Redhat,
after that Mandrake and Slackware with finally settling down on FreeBSD and
OpenBSD
Sadly, there are some concerns about the aging code with various patches
available to compensate, but I have
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 09:22:01PM -0300, Friedrich Locke wrote:
> if you demand for performance, FreeBSD + Qmail-ldap is THE way to go.
>
> my 1 cent.
>
Performance is a priority, but not my first priority. In fact I think that is
why I have started becoming a convert to openbsd.
Although I do
if you demand for performance, FreeBSD + Qmail-ldap is THE way to go.
my 1 cent.
On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 12:26 PM Ken M wrote:
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
> server?
> Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
>
> I know openbsd is perfectly fine
opensmtpd is great! Aliases and alot more goodness
On September 8, 2018 3:23:35 PM UTC, Ken M wrote:
>Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
>server?
>Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
>
>I know openbsd is perfectly fine for a mail server, don't get me
I run an email server for myself on OpenBSD running on Vultr. OpenBSD,
OpenSMTPD, dovecot and Roundcube all run fine on a $5 per month server.
If you want a pre-packaged mail server to avoid any hassle, check out iRedMail.
On September 8, 2018 10:23:35 AM CDT, Ken M wrote:
>Just curious how ma
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 05:54:18PM +0200, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
> On 09/08/18 17:23, Ken M wrote:
>
> If you've never run a mail server before but are familiar with OpenBSD,
> please do go the OpenBSD route.
>
> Setting up and running a mail service involves learning a few skills. If
> you
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 10:55:40AM -0700, jungle Boogie wrote:
> Ken,
>
> Just curious, are you using pf to filter out the bad websites for you kids?
> I find that to be more challenging for our older daughter to not stumble
> into the bad stuff and not the wholesome sites like openbsd.org, which
On Sat, Sep 8, 2018, 11:32 AM Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote:
> On 09/08/18 19:55, jungle Boogie wrote:
> > Just a general question about openbsd...
> >
> > I understand smtpd is in base for sending mail. Then we also have spam.
> > Both very neat and useful!
> >
> > Is there a particular reason ther
> Wiadomość napisana przez Ken M w dniu 08.09.2018, o godz.
> 17:23:
>
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
> server?
another here - running my own server since long time (OpenBSD). If you choose
dovecot you can nicely encrypt backend store mails:
https
On 09/08/18 19:55, jungle Boogie wrote:
> Just a general question about openbsd...
>
> I understand smtpd is in base for sending mail. Then we also have spam.
> Both very neat and useful!
>
> Is there a particular reason there is not a mail receiving agent in base?
You're joking, right?
man smt
Hi all,
Just a general question about openbsd...
I understand smtpd is in base for sending mail. Then we also have spam.
Both very neat and useful!
Is there a particular reason there is not a mail receiving agent in base?
Are the existing one sufficient enough for devs and there isn't enough
des
On 9/8/18 6:01 PM, Chris Bennett wrote:
[snip]
IMHO, I would skip using partially insecure OS's like Linux. These are
your kids!
Of course security at the OS level is important but also a lot of work
must be done around in the infrastructure area too for security...
running a good IDS for
On Sat, 08 Sep 2018, Ken M wrote:
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
> server?
> Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
I've managed my personal domain on and off over the years (not at the
moment, but that will change again later this year). I've us
I have to absolutely agree that OpenBSD using OpenSMTPD is "the right
solution" for this problem.
It's secure and after a little bit of learning, not hard to use.
Spamd is pretty effective for most spam. Not perfect, but what is
now-a-days?
You can monitor both sent and received emails.
The deli
Sat, 8 Sep 2018 16:39:52 +0100 Kaya Saman
> I agree here!
> [snip]
> That way you have a fully managed mail system right out of the box with
Hi misc,
Fully managed and VPS are incompatible. Also incompatible are: remote
infrastructure and turnkey solutions without complete control of bits.
The
On 09/08/18 17:23, Ken M wrote:
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
> server?
I've been running my personal domains on OpenBSD for a number of years.
So have I suspect a largish subset of the readership here, but I have no
idea how many will actually come for
> On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 11:32:00AM -0400, Jay Hart wrote:
>> Ken,
>>
>> I've run my own email server for 15 years now I think. I stick with Linux
>> for email server,
>> OpenBSD for routing/firewall. I personally find this is the best of both
>> worlds...
>>
>> Just my 35 cents...
>>
>> Jay
>>
I agree here!
Basically you would need a few components:
MTA / MDA / MUA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Message_transfer_agent
One way to do it would be something like: Postfix / Courier IMAP / Then
bolt something like SquirrelMail on top for web UI client
There are many ways to achieve
On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 11:32:00AM -0400, Jay Hart wrote:
> Ken,
>
> I've run my own email server for 15 years now I think. I stick with Linux for
> email server,
> OpenBSD for routing/firewall. I personally find this is the best of both
> worlds...
>
> Just my 35 cents...
>
> Jay
>
Dare I a
Ken,
I've run my own email server for 15 years now I think. I stick with Linux for
email server,
OpenBSD for routing/firewall. I personally find this is the best of both
worlds...
Just my 35 cents...
Jay
> Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email
> server?
> Do
Just curious how many of you use openbsd to run your own personal email server?
Do you find it a hassle to manage in any way?
I know openbsd is perfectly fine for a mail server, don't get me wrong the
question is more about is it worth it to do yourself. Specifically I will
probably be doing it th
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