Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
Please take this up on lists where it is more relevant. OpenBSD is not going to participate in a campaign that calls non-free things free. We don't tell lies like the other BSD's do. > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:04:12PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > > Hi Pawel, > > > > Pawel Jakub Dawidek schrie

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 06:04:12PM +0100, Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Hi Pawel, > > Pawel Jakub Dawidek schrieb am Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:02:47PM +0100: > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > >> So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed > >> by

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Matthew R. Dempsky wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:55:04PM -0400, Paul D. Ouderkirk wrote: > > And because I love to reply to myself, if I compile it with -O3, I can > > reproduce your results: > > -O3 enables -fstrict-aliasing, which this program violates. The man > pag

A request for your input.

2007-03-19 Thread lmth
Hello My name is Lara Thynne and I am a PhD candidate at Deakin University Australia. I am currently researching the boundary between work and leisure activities directly related to the open source community and open source program development. As part of this I am running a survey at the follo

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:43:19PM +0100, Timo Schoeler wrote: > in the sense of freedom, FreeBSD (among others) is a ultra-cheap whore, > as this fat pengiun is. Hehe:) As Borat use to say "very nice":) The problem is that in world's history the worst and the biggest source of evilness ever is f

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Woodchuck
On Tue, 20 Mar 2007, Tobias Ulmer wrote: > /* > * You assume that the in memory representation of an > * unsigned [2] looks exactly like unsigned long long and you > * expect to access the valid initialized memory of x by > * dereferencing p. > * > * These assumptions are all wrong. >

Nokia IP130 Success?

2007-03-19 Thread Bryan Vyhmeister
I understand that the Nokia IP1x0 stores the MAC addresses for the fxp (4) interfaces in a strange ROM location and so you have to manually key them in after the OpenBSD install. Is this still the case and is it the case for the IP130 also? I found a document called IP130FAQ that states that

Re: Two indentical timed cronjobs, one gets ignored

2007-03-19 Thread Mike Erdely
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 03:44:05AM +0100, Han Boetes wrote: > I just had two cronjobs which were set on the same time and the > first match was executed and the second was ignored. Does /var/cron/log say anything? > Of course this is not entirely enexpected but is this considered a > bug or somet

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-19 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/18/07, Darren Spruell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/18/07, Maurice Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday, March 16, 2007 at 19:34:59 -0700, J.C. Roberts wrote: > >Running "A.B-RELEASE+Patches" is very similar to "A.B-STABLE" since the > >user applied patches (available on the erra

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Hi all, Sorry for the size of this email, but this issue drives me nuts. This discussion is for the most part not going anywhere and looks like dirty laundry between various party. Campaign for no BLOB start by refusing BLOB period. No one will do goodwill if not force to do so. That's human

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:17 PM, Timothy A. Napthali wrote: The only problem I can foresee is that I remember reading somewhere that some MTAs use NOOP as a kind of keep-alive at times. You will also find the command sequence RSET+NOOP used to delimit transactions when an SMTP client reuses an

Re: Two indentical timed cronjobs, one gets ignored

2007-03-19 Thread Travers Buda
* Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-20 03:44:05]: > Hi, > > I just had two cronjobs which were set on the same time and the > first match was executed and the second was ignored. > > Of course this is not entirely enexpected but is this considered a > bug or something which would be nice t

Re: spamlogd (how to specify port?)

2007-03-19 Thread Peter
Le Lundi 19 Mars 2007 05:09, Joachim Schipper a icrit : > On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 05:56:04PM -0600, Bob Beck wrote: > > * Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-18 16:16]: > > > On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 08:57:32PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > > > On 2007/03/18 16:35, Peter wrote: > > >

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:12:24PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake > on the source? Did i forget some thing? > > #include > > int > main(int argc, char **argv)

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:55:04PM -0400, Paul D. Ouderkirk wrote: > And because I love to reply to myself, if I compile it with -O3, I can > reproduce your results: -O3 enables -fstrict-aliasing, which this program violates. The man page explains in more detail.

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 04:40:08AM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Compile it with -O3. Then enjoy. Sure. Then I'll light my hair on fire and put it out with a ballpeen hammer. -- Darrin Chandler | Phoenix BSD Users Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://bsd.phoenix.az.u

Re: Have a OpenBSD store in Asia? Is it possible?

2007-03-19 Thread Lars Hansson
Wim Vandeputte wrote: Did you contact http://www.genesis.com.hk/ in Hong Kong? Or should we remove them from the list of resellers? Probably, I don't think they've been alive for a good many years. I seem to recall this being the case even back in 3.x days. --- Lars Hansson

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Tony Abernethy
Lars D. Nooden wrote: > > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Dave Anderson wrote: > > You've left out the extremely important fact that many vendors > > interpret acceptance of blobs by any "free" OS as validating their > > position of not releasing adequate documentation -- so accepting blobs > > (even when "th

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Adam
"Gustavo Rios" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake > on the source? Did i forget some thing? Bleh, what a depressing thread. Gustavo, why didn't you bother to prov

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread a . velichinsky
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:17:46PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:12:24PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: > > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake > > on the source? Did i

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-19 Thread Nick Holland
RStachowiak wrote: > On 18/03/07, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > The question was not about normal upgrade procedure (which I'm perfectly > aware of ) but about internal working of system during upgrade phase to > let me understand it better and comprehend all corner cases. The f

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Lars Hansson
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and ship operating system with GPLed code? No. How do you feel about having pro-GPL operating system? I don't know, I run OpenBSD. --- Lars Hansson

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Timothy A. Napthali
The only problem I can foresee is that I remember reading somewhere that some MTAs use NOOP as a kind of keep-alive at times. This may be an issue depending on how those MTAs deal with not getting the 250 response from SPAMD they were expecting. Tim. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:12:24PM -0300, Gustavo Rios wrote: > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake > on the source? Did i forget some thing? > > #include > > int > main(int argc, char **argv)

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Tue, Mar 20, 2007 at 01:35:28AM +0100, Frank Denis wrote: > Le Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:12:24PM -0300, Gustavo Rios ecrivait : > >I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > >variable value change every time i run it. > >int > >main(int argc, char **argv) > >{ > > u

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew R. Dempsky
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 08:02:10PM -0400, Nick ! wrote: > Wait, how is * defined on two voids? That shouldn't even compile > (unless it's autocasting to int?). ``unsigned'' is short for ``unsigned int''. The ``(void *)'' cast is a red herring.

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Paul D. Ouderkirk
On 3/19/07, Paul D. Ouderkirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No! > > p sizeof is 4 bytes, p is the frst byt of &x, and p + 1 is the 4th > byte. Casting is only on attribution of &x to p. > > Realize, p[0] evals to 1 and p[1] evals to 2 as it shoul

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Paul D. Ouderkirk
On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: No! p sizeof is 4 bytes, p is the frst byt of &x, and p + 1 is the 4th byte. Casting is only on attribution of &x to p. Realize, p[0] evals to 1 and p[1] evals to 2 as it should be. Only problem relates to p[0] * p[1]. I believe it should (1 *

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread David Higgs
Whenever a printf "fixes everything", it's usually because that forces gcc to put the values on the stack. Without the printf, they're probably in registers and p points to who knows what. If you grok assembly, try objdump on the executable to see what's going on. If you want to multiply the tw

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread RW
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:26:12 -0500, Marco Peereboom wrote: >Yes but since these are production machines in a lab that requires >clearance I can't share. We keep backups around for all these machines >since every now and then we lose one for no good reason. In contrast >the windows and openbsd m

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
No! p sizeof is 4 bytes, p is the frst byt of &x, and p + 1 is the 4th byte. Casting is only on attribution of &x to p. Realize, p[0] evals to 1 and p[1] evals to 2 as it should be. Only problem relates to p[0] * p[1]. I believe it should (1 * 2), i.e., 2. Not a random value. On 3/19/07, Nick !

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Frank Denis
Le Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:12:24PM -0300, Gustavo Rios ecrivait : I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c variable value change every time i run it. int main(int argc, char **argv) { unsigned long long x, c; unsigned*p; p = (voi

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/19/07, Nick ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistak

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
So, why when i printf p[1], it correctly prints 2? On 3/19/07, Nick ! <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c > variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake > on

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Gustavo Rios wrote: > Here is the output: > > $ ifconfig -a > lo0: flags=8049 mtu 33224 >groups: lo >inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 >inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 >inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7 > sis0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 >lla

panic on Dell PowerEdge850 GENERIC.MP 4.0 (dmesg incl.)

2007-03-19 Thread Kamil Monticolo
Hello guys. I'm migrating to 4.0 now and I have problem with panic on couple of my servers on 4.0. Servers crashes irregulary with page fault (6) - (/src/sys says that's an arthmetic fault). All servers crashes with the same EIP d02ce554, so I think it cannot be RAM. Machines have Pentium D with

Re: poptop with arp proxy?

2007-03-19 Thread Bryan Irvine
Nevermind, I figured it out. I set up an alias on my internal interface and then set up my pptp.conf and ppp.conf to assign IP's on this new range. Now everything works as I expect. Thanks for the suggestions. --Bryan On 3/19/07, Bryan Irvine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/9/07, Joachim Sch

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
Wikipedia's wrong?!?!?!?!?!?! What about the term 'truthiness'? Don't tell me Wikipedia's wrong about that, too? ;) danno ps- 2006-03-01 The Colbert Report, episode 58 Arianna Huffington challenges host Stephen Colbert on his claim that he had coined the word "truthiness". She cited Wikipedi

Re: Possible problem with GCC-generated code when using -O2 on amd64

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Carlos Valiente <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On my -CURRENT amd64 system, Python 2.5 (installed from packge file python-2.5p3.tgz on 14 Mar 2007) is segfaulting within an installed module (the PostgreSQL Python driver from http://www.initd.org/tracker/psycopg/wiki/PsycopgTwo). The crash

Re: External Router

2007-03-19 Thread Almir Karic
use route tables, set the getaway 10.30.9.253 for the subnet on which your other office is, and use your ISP's getaway as default getaway. you can manipulate route tables with route(8). On 3/19/07, Ricardo Lucas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello ppl from misc, I have an issue, I have a little

Re: strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Gustavo Rios <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake on the source? Did i forget some thing? #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { unsigned long

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 13:26:18 -0500 Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Timo Schoeler wrote: > > > people with a total lack of so called 'soft skills' won't see them, > > tho, but that is neither Theo's problem nor anyone else's. > > Give me a break. If anyone posted here saying that the

Re: Google's Perftools and tcmalloc - Worth the risk?

2007-03-19 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Monday, March 19, "Chris 'Xenon' Hanson" wrote: > >Optimally, you could switch between allocators as a compile-time > define. U se a tougher allocator for debugging and stress testing. Use > a lighter, faster one in situ ations where you are confident that the > code is solid and needs spee

Re: supported internal dsl modem for soekris available ?

2007-03-19 Thread poncenby smythe
Christoph Leser wrote: hello, I would love to set up a openBSD/soekris based dsl router for accessing the internet from home (my provider is t-com from germany). Can anyone here tell me whether there are internal dsl modem cards available which are supported by openBSD? although it is not ide

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread chefren
On 3/19/07 4:48 PM, Marco Peereboom wrote: You are so uninformed that it isn't even funny to pick on you. Karel clocks on the wrong edge and is by far the worst educated asocial asshole I have met on this list. +++chefren

Re: OpenOSPFd and kernel routing table

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/02/23 12:52, Falk Brockerhoff wrote: > Claudio Jeker schrieb: > > Hmm. For some reasons the carp route is not cleared correctly. > > I'll have a look at it. > > > Do you have any news on this topic? I like to run OpenOSPFd on my > routers, but since the bugfix there isn't any redundancy.

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
Here is the output: $ ifconfig -a lo0: flags=8049 mtu 33224 groups: lo inet 127.0.0.1 netmask 0xff00 inet6 ::1 prefixlen 128 inet6 fe80::1%lo0 prefixlen 64 scopeid 0x7 sis0: flags=8843 mtu 1500 lladdr 00:00:24:c7:31:20 media: Ethernet 100baseTX (100ba

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
Yes but since these are production machines in a lab that requires clearance I can't share. We keep backups around for all these machines since every now and then we lose one for no good reason. In contrast the windows and openbsd machines we have deployed do not share this behavior. You are th

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread RW
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 11:59:51 -0400, Dan Farrell wrote: >I thought it was free as in beer, but because of the blobs, not >necessarily free as in you can do whatever you want with it... > >Because what can you do with a blob? Are you allowed to use a blob >anywhere you want, in any situation? Are yo

strange output on openbsd C code

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
I am writing a very simple program but the output change for the c variable value change every time i run it. What would it be my mistake on the source? Did i forget some thing? #include int main(int argc, char **argv) { unsigned long long x, c; unsigned*p;

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
> Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to > setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? you want a resolver for your local IPv4 subnets? just add named_flags="" to /etc/rc.conf.local and restart

Re: poptop with arp proxy?

2007-03-19 Thread Bryan Irvine
On 3/9/07, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 09, 2007 at 01:31:38PM -0800, Bryan Irvine wrote: > I'm running poptop on my home firewall, but I can't see any of the > machines on that network (though I can see indivudal machine on > friends network that are connected via isak

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Dave Anderson wrote: > You've left out the extremely important fact that many vendors > interpret acceptance of blobs by any "free" OS as validating their > position of not releasing adequate documentation -- so accepting blobs > (even when "there's no other choice") actively h

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > But if you write a program and the user finds it full of bugs, are they > going to care that you can say that it's GCC's fault? The burden falls > on the developers to make c

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On 3/19/07, Pawel Jakub Dawidek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and ship operating system with GPLed code? How do you feel about having pro-GPL operating system? Why do you lie to your users by having 'BSD' in operatin

External Router

2007-03-19 Thread Ricardo Lucas
Hello ppl from misc, I have an issue, I have a little lan with a oBSD box that connect to my ISP and bring the Internet to this lan, but I have another router inside that lan that connects me to my another office, and I have a win2000 machine that is the DNS for this router, so, if I want to co

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Matthew Weigel
Timo Schoeler wrote: > people with a total lack of so called 'soft skills' won't see them, > tho, but that is neither Theo's problem nor anyone else's. Give me a break. If anyone posted here saying that they would post some private correspondence with Theo unless he took some action, misc@ would

Re: NOOP and Spamd

2007-03-19 Thread Dave Anderson
** Reply to message from Bob Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 19 Mar 2007 09:40:52 -0600 >* Sid Carter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-19 03:25]: > >> > Regardless, if NOOP is in the SMTP standard, and spamd does not handle >> > it correctly, that is a bug that needs to be fixed. > > Bullshit.

supported internal dsl modem for soekris available ?

2007-03-19 Thread Christoph Leser
hello, I would love to set up a openBSD/soekris based dsl router for accessing the internet from home (my provider is t-com from germany). Can anyone here tell me whether there are internal dsl modem cards available which are supported by openBSD? It would be sad if I had to install an external

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-19 Thread Kyle George
On Sat, 17 Mar 2007, Karel Kulhavy wrote: What about Charlie Root testing something remotely through cron and then Ok, I'll bite. This is not hard. Here's something I did real quick. Use at your own risk. Replace XXX with your closest ftp mirror from http://www.openbsd.org/ftp.html. Read

Re: acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0 - Re-post

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, mail-lists <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? This is the right place, you just haven't done your research so no one bothered to answer. You might want to look into [EMAIL PROTECT

Re: adjusting mbuf

2007-03-19 Thread Gustavo Rios
Ok, Here is my output of netstat: $ netstat -m 331 mbufs in use: 326 mbufs allocated to data 2 mbufs allocated to packet headers 3 mbufs allocated to socket names and addresses 72/152/6144 mbuf clusters in use (current/peak/max) 420 Kbytes allocated to network (53% in use) 0

Re: cat.c includes

2007-03-19 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 02:07:25PM +0100, Otto Moerbeek wrote: > On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, Nick ! wrote: > > > On 3/19/07, hiren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > hi all, > > > > > > i found it interesting that cat.c compiles after removing these > > > includes: > > > > > > #include > > > #include >

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 04:19:11PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > We can analogically use this argument for ocassional errors in memory, too. If "We" can, but "we" won't. Yes, the GCC bugs should be fixed. Yes, it's important to communicate with the GCC people that -O2 breaks things sometimes. Th

Re: Google's Perftools and tcmalloc - Worth the risk?

2007-03-19 Thread Chris 'Xenon' Hanson
Tobias Weingartner wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Wilson wrote: I dunno. Am I being overly paranoid, or should I stick with nice dependable old-fashioned malloc? I usually take dependable and slightly slower over faster and nastier any day. Especially if it's fast enough.

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
Are you looking to make the DNS server a caching-only DNS server or are you going to have be authoritative for a domain (or set of domains?) (If you don't know the answer to this question then any 'examples' are going to be lost on the ignorant... no offense, you should understand this before delvi

Re: acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0

2007-03-19 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/19 11:14, Steve Glaus wrote: > I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this > card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand > it's supposed to use the acx driver. Knowing that minipci can be fiddly, I would double-check it's inserted

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dan Farrell
Yeah but what die is he rolling? I'm tired of rolling a six-sided die against blobs and hobgoblins when all the level 23 developer-clerics are using a 20-sided die... simply not fair!!! danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marco Peereboo

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Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 16:00:49 +0100: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: > > On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: > > >> > > >> Aggre

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:27:29 +0100: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:35:14AM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote: > > * SW <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-19 03:21]: > > > Free as in FreeBSD > > > > ahh, I finally get it. > > > > dry like water > > hot l

OpenBGPD and private-as

2007-03-19 Thread Jon Morby
Might be a dumb question, but what's the equivalent of neighbor remove-private-as in OpenBGPD I've just noticed we're advertising prefixes 65xxx to our upstream providers when we should be stripping them from our advertisements. -- Jon Morby FidoNet Registration Services Ltd tel: 0845 00

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:59:06 +0100: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:15:16AM -0400, Jason Beaudoin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> Everything is much slower than existing Linux system. For > > >> example, Firefox takes 3-5 seconds to start on Lin

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Jason George
>> > It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether >> > the >> > result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations >> > that >> > are source of bugs, but bugs in GCC. >> >> But if you write a program and the user finds it full of bugs, are they >>

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread RedShift
Marco Peereboom wrote: If you like losing data ext3 and reiserfs work just fine. I manage to lose Linux installations pretty often by doing crazy things like rebooting. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:41:05PM +0100, RedShift wrote: Claudio Jeker wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100, Kar

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Frank Tegtmeyer
"JOHN LUCKEY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? > The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. Assuming that you don't need dynamic updates, Dan Bernstein has EXACT guidelines for his djbdns: http://cr.yp.to/djbdns.html Look for "H

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Pawel, Pawel Jakub Dawidek schrieb am Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:02:47PM +0100: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed >> by projects which embrace the Blob? > So isn't it rather hypocritical to cla

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:33:42AM -0700, JOHN LUCKEY wrote: > Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to > setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? > The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. Sure, I have that exact setup running. I've pasted a sligh

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Pawel Jakub Dawidek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:02:47 +0100: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed > > by projects which embrace the Blob? > > So isn't it rath

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Artur Grabowski
Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > > It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether > > > the > > > result of optimization is

acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0 - Re-post

2007-03-19 Thread mail-lists
Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? Hello all, I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand it's supposed to use the acx

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Jason George
>Jason George wrote: > >> This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. >> There's a big difference. > >No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the >emails public; this Daniel guy took him at his word, and made them >public. The only foul I see is The

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Matthew Weigel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 10:54:24 -0500: > Jason George wrote: > > > This was sabre-rattling. Daniel made a pre-emptive tactical strike. > > There's a big difference. > > No, there's not a difference. Theo said he was willing to take the > e

acx on soekris with openbsd 4.0

2007-03-19 Thread Steve Glaus
Sorry, I've asked this before and didn't get a response.. am I asking this incorrectly - or in the wrong place? Hello all, I'm trying to get a mini pci card working on OpenBSD 4.0. I ripped this card out of a dlink router that we weren't using. From what I understand it's supposed to use the ac

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Ted Unangst
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FreeBSD is released under BSD licence and therefore is free software, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software where is the source to the "free software" nvidia driver?

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Timo Schoeler
In epistula a Manuel Ravasio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> die horaque Mon, 19 Mar 2007 07:47:46 -0700 (PDT): > Really? > I have a completely different experience: I never managed to > completely loose a filesystem, except by on OpenBSD... > > I've been using slackware linux on reiserfs and xfs for many ye

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:38:05PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: So isn't it rather hypocritical to have a anti-Blob campaign, backed by projects which embrace the Blob? So isn't it rather hypocritical to claim GPL license is bad and BSD license is good and shi

Re: Google's Perftools and tcmalloc - Worth the risk?

2007-03-19 Thread Tobias Weingartner
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard Wilson wrote: > > I dunno. Am I being overly paranoid, or should I stick with nice > dependable old-fashioned malloc? I usually take dependable and slightly slower over faster and nastier any day. Especially if it's fast enough. -- [100~Plax]sb16i0A2

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 09:26:56AM -0400, Nick ! wrote: > On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >On Sat, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:06:43PM +0100, Joachim Schipper wrote: > >> > >> Aggressive compiler optimizations are not generally a

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 07:23:43AM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:53:00PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > It's therefore not the responsibility of the programmer to check whether the > > result of optimization is correct. Therefore it's not the optimizations that > > are

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 05:42:26PM +0200, Gregory Edigarov wrote: > JOHN LUCKEY wrote: > >Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to > >setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? > >The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. > > > > > It isn't different

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
If you like losing data ext3 and reiserfs work just fine. I manage to lose Linux installations pretty often by doing crazy things like rebooting. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:41:05PM +0100, RedShift wrote: > Claudio Jeker wrote: > >On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 01:48:44PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>

Re: OpenBSD speed on desktops

2007-03-19 Thread Nick !
On 3/19/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I have also a feeling that deleting huge files or large directories with loads of tiny files in subdirectories is slower. A "feeling"?? Entirely subjective readings like this mean nothing and are at best noise and at worst FUD. Come on, be sc

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Mispunt
On 3/19/07, JOHN LUCKEY <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. TIA John an unofficial source, but it was very usefull to me.. http:/

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Dave Anderson
** Reply to message from Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Mon, 19 Mar 2007 15:04:46 +0100 >On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: > >I have a feeling that the campaign means "We don't want vendors to require >us to use a blob but we'll ocassionally use them when we have to other w

multichannel sound

2007-03-19 Thread Dmitry
Hi, FreeBSD sysctl supports hw.snd.pcm0.vchans and hw.snd.maxautovchans. With this variables user may hear sound from many apps at one time. How I can do this in OpenBSD. My friend says that this possible only when current app link with lossaudio(3). Maybe there is another way? Sorry for my Eng

Re: Have a OpenBSD store in Asia? Is it possible?

2007-03-19 Thread Wim Vandeputte
Hey Michael, > I use OpenBSD from 3.6, when every release is pre-ordered, i can't find a > easy way to > own a set. > > I live in China, Is it possible to have a OpenBSD store in Asia? > China? Japan? Korean? or other coutries? Did you contact http://www.genesis.com.hk/ in Hong Kong? Or should

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Adam PAPAI
JOHN LUCKEY wrote: Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. bind is part of the base system @ OpenBSD (default install). These manuals should help. man named man

Re: DNS, bind9, and other

2007-03-19 Thread Joel Dinel
On 03/19/07 at 7:33, JOHN LUCKEY wrote: >Anyone have or know of a good beginner's tutorial on how to >setup/configure a openBSD box to do DNS on a local network? >The more concrete/cookbook the examples, the better. http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/dns/index.html

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-19 Thread Marco Peereboom
You are so uninformed that it isn't even funny to pick on you. On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 03:04:46PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 12:06:31AM +0100, SW wrote: > > I have a feeling that the campaign means "We don't want vendors to require > us to use a blob but we'll ocassion

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