Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Mike Piety wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:15:24 +0100 > Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > > [...] > > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > >

Re: OT: Asymmetric Multi-Core Debugging

2007-03-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 16 March 2007 21:25, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > If you have ever wondered why the OpenBSD multi-processor kernel is > > named "GENERIC.MP" rather than "GENERIC.SMP," it's because you've > > missed out on some of Theo's ideas and plans to do asymmetric > > mutli-processing processing rather

Re: forcing WD0/WD1 designation (soekris)

2007-03-16 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Sat, Mar 17, 2007 at 05:41:23AM +, Brad Brad wrote: > When I connect a second drive to a sil3114 controller that drive is > assigned wd0 and my real boot drive becomes wd1. How can I force the drive > I choose to be wd0? Its a soekris 4801. > > I assume its not a BIOs issue because it do

forcing WD0/WD1 designation (soekris)

2007-03-16 Thread Brad Brad
When I connect a second drive to a sil3114 controller that drive is assigned wd0 and my real boot drive becomes wd1. How can I force the drive I choose to be wd0? Its a soekris 4801. I assume its not a BIOs issue because it does start booting, and it should get nowhere if that was wrong. It

Re: sshd configure howto

2007-03-16 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin
thanks for the ideas On 3/17/07, Joachim Schipper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:17:10PM +0800, Jay Jesus Amorin wrote: > hi gurus, > > how will i configure sshd to allow only one username at a time. > > example: > > on pc1 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] > on pc2 ssh [EMA

Re: OT: Asymmetric Multi-Core Debugging

2007-03-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
> If you have ever wondered why the OpenBSD multi-processor kernel is > named "GENERIC.MP" rather than "GENERIC.SMP," it's because you've > missed out on some of Theo's ideas and plans to do asymmetric > mutli-processing processing rather than the usual symmetric > multi-processing (SMP). Let'

Re: "make release" question for a non developer

2007-03-16 Thread jared r r spiegel
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 11:51:15AM +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: > Miod Vallat wrote: > > >> 2) Do I have to modify another file? > > > >No. > > Very much noted. I have been wondering about this too. it's the 'i want to create my own style ramdisk kernels with their own unique "in-the-ramdriv

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 16 March 2007 20:07, Darren Spruell wrote: > On 3/16/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Friday 16 March 2007 13:51, Nick Holland wrote: > > > Read the rest of that page... you are confusing upGRADING and > > > upDATING. > > > > Unfortunately, confusing the two terms, upGR

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Friday 16 March 2007 12:56, Bob Beck wrote: > > If you have nothing better to do that look at "campaigns" > > at least find a campaign where it appears the people doing it > > understand this issues. > > Can you actually name a technical campaign besides openbsd that actually > unders

OT: Asymmetric Multi-Core Debugging

2007-03-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
If you have ever wondered why the OpenBSD multi-processor kernel is named "GENERIC.MP" rather than "GENERIC.SMP," it's because you've missed out on some of Theo's ideas and plans to do asymmetric mutli-processing processing rather than the usual symmetric multi-processing (SMP). If you do not u

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 16 March 2007 12:56, Bob Beck wrote: > If you have nothing better to do that look at "campaigns" > at least find a campaign where it appears the people doing it > understand this issues. Can you actually name a technical campaign besides openbsd that actually understands both the

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/16/07, J.C. Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Friday 16 March 2007 13:51, Nick Holland wrote: > Read the rest of that page... you are confusing upGRADING and > upDATING. Unfortunately, confusing the two terms, upGRADING and upDATING, is very easy to do mainly because of our usage of th

Re: OpenBSD 4.1 Pre-Orders...

2007-03-16 Thread Sunnz
Just wondering... if I should order it from the international store: https://https.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/order?CD41=1&CD41%2b=Add I don't live in US Canada nor Europe... but I am worried if I ordered "From North America to anywhere worldwide", would the CD have the lack of built-in cryptography due

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Friday 16 March 2007 13:51, Nick Holland wrote: > Read the rest of that page... you are confusing upGRADING and > upDATING. Unfortunately, confusing the two terms, upGRADING and upDATING, is very easy to do mainly because of our usage of the terms is not particularly clear. For each numbered

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Sunnz
Is it really that hard to cc to security-anoounce? Jeez... 2007/3/17, Ray Percival <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Mar 16, 2007, at 5:43 PM, fonkprop wrote: > Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and > threaten > his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 16-Mar-07, at 9:57 PM, Ray Percival wrote: On Mar 16, 2007, at 5:43 PM, fonkprop wrote: Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he holds them in too much contempt to respond to simple, uncont

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 16, 2007, at 5:43 PM, fonkprop wrote: Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he holds them in too much contempt to respond to simple, uncontroversial and valid criticism. No. This is pur

PF weirdness with snapshot

2007-03-16 Thread Wade, Daniel
Anyone else having issues with pf? I don't think my rdr pass rule is keeping state as my reply packets get dropped. As seen by tcpdump. And I can't get any output from pfctl -x loud to see what's going on. #pf.conf ext_if="fxp0" int_if="fxp1" set skip on lo set loginterface fxp0 nat o

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread fonkprop
Yet again, we see that although Theo is willing to beg, wheedle and threaten his user community into sending him money when he needs it, he holds them in too much contempt to respond to simple, uncontroversial and valid criticism. On 3/16/07, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Let's se

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 23:41, Jeremy Huiskamp wrote: ... > Um, no. If you apply the errata to -release you have -release + errata. > There are things in stable that are not in the errata, albeit not much. > Tracking -stable requires using cvs which, frankly is much easier than > patching -

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/3/16, Mike Piety <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: uh, why don't you just load your release bsd.rd at the boot prompt, and do an upgrade to 4.0, using the ftp method? This would install 4.0- stable, and would be a lot faster. No. There are no new kernels (i.e. stable) available from the servers. Best

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Ted Unangst
On 3/16/07, Jeff Quast <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 3/16/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio > playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What > would be a good PCI based card to go with? ess(4)'s

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/16/07, Tobias Weisserth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 21:04, Karel Kulhavy wrote: ... > Thanks, this is a much better explanation than in FAQ sec. 5. The > explanation in FAQ doesn't mention the fact that not only the -current, but > also the -stable is a moving t

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:31:33PM -0800, smith wrote: > OpenBSD developers add code and fix bugs using a program called CVS. CVS has > the ability to create branches like a tree. The main tree trunk is -current. > After a certain amount of time, usually a couple of months before the release >

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 16-Mar-07, at 4:52 PM, Tobias Weisserth wrote: Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 21:04, Karel Kulhavy wrote: ... Thanks, this is a much better explanation than in FAQ sec. 5. The explanation in FAQ doesn't mention the fact that not only the - current, but also the -stable is a moving target,

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread STeve Andre'
On Friday 16 March 2007 16:15:24 Karel Kulhavy wrote: > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > [...] > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote > vulnerab

Links+

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
http://openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html The name of the browser that is at http://links.twibright.com is not Links+, but Links (or Twibright Links). It's not a different browser than the textmode Links. If you run recent Links without -g, you get the textmode links. There is an older version of Links whi

Re: can CARP monitor an interface?

2007-03-16 Thread Reyk Floeter
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:45:40PM +, Alex Berdan wrote: > Hi, > > Is it possible to make CARP to monitor an interface and if that > interface is down to switch to slave from master? (I know this is > possible with HSRP) > see ifstated(8) > Thanks > > -- > > Alex

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Karel Kulhavy wrote on Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:04:50PM +0100: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:33:36PM +0100, Vincent GROSS wrote: >> ok, I'll try to be clear : [...] >> so, in term of patching, >> release + errata = stable and >> release < stable < current > > Thanks, this is a much better expl

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Christopher Linn
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 08:51:35PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: [...] > > It's actually really easy. Follow the first 2 steps in "man release". > > Unfortunately these instructions fail with not being clear if I should use > OPENBSD_4_0_BASE or OPENBSD_4_0 in step 1. It doesn't say if I should pic

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 21:26, JT Croteau wrote: > This may seem like a simple question but it has been a long time since > I've done any multimedia work on a *nix platform and never on OpenBSD. > I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio > playback from .mp3's an

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Rafael Almeida
Just as a note, when I first read the section 5.2 of the FAQ I was also a bit confused. The line "Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." made think that maybe following the -stable branch wasn't supported. But after doing more research I figured that following -stabl

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/03/16 21:15, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > [...] > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html system != kernel. Some OS advise people to 'make world' as a way to upgrade to a new release, t

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Mike Piety
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:15:24 +0100 Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > [...] > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of th

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/16/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... Thanks, this is a much better explanation than in FAQ sec. 5. The explanation in FAQ doesn't mention the fact that not only the -current, but also the -stable is a moving target, though a slowly moving one. Now I have 4.0-release and want

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread JT Croteau
On 3/16/07, Tobias Weisserth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Check there first: http://www.openbsd.org/i386.html#hardware Yeah, I am aware of the supported chipsets.. I was looking for a recommendation based on what is supported as I am sure some drivers are better than others. Thanks -- JT Crote

Re: Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread Jeff Quast
On 3/16/07, JT Croteau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What would be a good PCI based card to go with? ess(4)'s have always treated me well.

Mbufs tunning

2007-03-16 Thread Gustavo Rios
Dear gentleman, when i execute some command on my server box, i got a complain about not enough buffer available. For instance. $ rusers rusers: can't send broadcast packet: No buffer space available $ I don't how to perform tunning on mbufs. Rather than simply reasing its limits i wonder which

Re: sshd configure howto

2007-03-16 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 07:17:10PM +0800, Jay Jesus Amorin wrote: > hi gurus, > > how will i configure sshd to allow only one username at a time. > > example: > > on pc1 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] > on pc2 ssh [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > now what i like to happen is ssh on pc2 should be drop bec

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread smith
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 21:04:50 +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote > Thanks, this is a much better explanation than in FAQ sec. 5. The explanation > in FAQ doesn't mention the fact that not only the -current, but also > the -stable is a moving target, though a slowly moving one. > > Now I have 4.0-release a

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Almir Karic
why do you bother asking questions if you are not willing to accept answers? you either need: pass out on bge0 from block out on bge0 from to { , } or: block quick out on bge0 from to { , } pass out on bge0 from alternatively you could have a combined table containing both outside and

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 10:20:00AM +, John Gould wrote: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Joachim Schipper wrote: > >On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:54:16AM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >>On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:46:26PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >>> The OpenBSD team has released a "security fix" > >>I

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Nick Holland
Karel Kulhavy wrote: "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: [...] Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote vulnerability. I understood it's possible only by re

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 21:04, Karel Kulhavy wrote: ... > Thanks, this is a much better explanation than in FAQ sec. 5. The > explanation in FAQ doesn't mention the fact that not only the -current, but > also the -stable is a moving target, though a slowly moving one. > > Now I have 4.0-rele

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Craig Brozefsky
Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > [...] > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote > vulnerability. I u

Re: Upgrade direction from older to newer

2007-03-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* STeve Andre' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 22:17]: > On Friday 16 March 2007 16:08:55 Karel Kulhavy wrote: > > "One should also understand that the update process is supported in only > > one direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current." > > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > >

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Karel Kulhavy wrote: "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: [...] Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote vulnerability. I understood it's possible only by re

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Karl O. Pinc
On 03/16/2007 02:51:35 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:26:39PM +, Karl O. Pinc wrote: > It's actually really easy. Follow the first 2 steps in "man release". Unfortunately these instructions fail with not being clear if I should use OPENBSD_4_0_BASE or OPENBSD_4_0 in

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Karl O. Pinc
Thanks very much for taking the time to respond. On 03/16/2007 02:33:28 PM, Kian Mohageri wrote: I'm not saying that you're unappreciative, just that it seemed that way. That is why when I write suggestions, I usually find something to thank the person for too, just so they don't feel unde

Re: Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > "Some reasons why NOT to build from source: > [...] > Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote > vulnerability. I u

Re: Upgrade direction from older to newer

2007-03-16 Thread STeve Andre'
On Friday 16 March 2007 16:08:55 Karel Kulhavy wrote: > "One should also understand that the update process is supported in only > one direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > Is it possible to upgrade from 4.0-current to 4.1-stable? > >

Slightly OT: i386 Sound Card Recommendation

2007-03-16 Thread JT Croteau
This may seem like a simple question but it has been a long time since I've done any multimedia work on a *nix platform and never on OpenBSD. I need to add a sound card to my OpenBSD desktop box for basic audio playback from .mp3's and cd's and to do some basic recording. What would be a good PCI

Re: Upgrade direction from older to newer

2007-03-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 21:32]: > "One should also understand that the update process is supported in only one > direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current." > http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > Is it possible to upgrade from 4.0-current to 4.1-stable?

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Ryan Corder
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 16:30 -0400, Dave Anderson wrote: > >1) is my syntax wrong? YES > >2) OK, what is wrong with it? Pointed out and understood. > > Evidently, *not* understood. Evidently, you can read my mind and know what I do and do not understand. That's fricken' amazing! > > >3) Good

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Ryan Corder
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 12:59 -0700, Marco S Hyman wrote: > > now. given that I have a default block all rule, is it possible to allow > > out ALL traffic EXCEPT those packets bound for the addresses listed in > > the and tables without the need for more block rules? > > No, you need additional

Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
"Some reasons why NOT to build from source: [...] Compiling your own system as a way of upgrading it is not supported." http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html I want to upgrade my 4.0-release system to get rid of the ipv6 remote vulnerability. I understood it's possible only by recompiling because the f

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Jeremy Huiskamp
On 16-Mar-07, at 3:51 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:26:39PM +, Karl O. Pinc wrote: It's actually really easy. Follow the first 2 steps in "man release". Unfortunately these instructions fail with not being clear if I should use OPENBSD_4_0_BASE or OPENBSD_4_0 i

Upgrade direction from older to newer

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
"One should also understand that the update process is supported in only one direction: from older to newer, and from -stable to -current." http://openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html Is it possible to upgrade from 4.0-current to 4.1-stable? CL<

Re: can CARP monitor an interface?

2007-03-16 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Alex Berdan wrote: Hi, Is it possible to make CARP to monitor an interface and if that interface is down to switch to slave from master? (I know this is possible with HSRP) ifstated(8) Thanks

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:33:36PM +0100, Vincent GROSS wrote: > > ok, I'll try to be clear : > there is a -current branch (HEAD in CVS technobabble). > nearly every six month, -current give birth to a release (CDs). > a release shall move as little as possible. but sometimes, (like now) > there

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Bob Beck
* Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 12:20]: > Is it true that Puffy is not here because of Theo's concerns about > his copyrighted Puffy logo? > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg Hunh? a "No Blob" poster with FreeBSD on it? that's a fucking joke. they'

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 01:26:39PM +, Karl O. Pinc wrote: > > On 03/16/2007 03:54:16 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > >On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 04:46:26PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > >> This means everyone should have our latest patches installed. > > > >[...] > > > >> *Solution/Vendor Information/

can CARP monitor an interface?

2007-03-16 Thread Alex Berdan
Hi, Is it possible to make CARP to monitor an interface and if that interface is down to switch to slave from master? (I know this is possible with HSRP) Thanks -- Alex

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Kian Mohageri
On 3/16/07, Karl O. Pinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On 03/16/2007 02:51:48 AM, Kian Mohageri wrote: > > > Yeah. Expectations aside, being condescending is never warranted. > > We've all spent more time on this than it's worth, but I would > appreciate it if you'd point out any condescension

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Dave Anderson
** Reply to message from Ryan Corder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 16 Mar 2007 14:01:38 -0500 >very simply, this thread could have ended a day or two ago if the >following process would have taken place: > >1) is my syntax wrong? YES >2) OK, what is wrong with it? Pointed out and understood. Ev

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread K K
It'd be great if Theo could make a clear statement on Puffy, the same as Marshall Kirk McKusick has for the daemon. I had cause to use a variant of Marshall's beastie for a project which was marginally within his published guidelines, and had no problem getting permission. On 3/16/07, Karel Ku

Re: pkg_add -ui auto update choses lower version of package by default if there is only one option

2007-03-16 Thread Siju George
On 3/16/07, Marc Espie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wait for 4.2. Sorry, it's not implemented yet. pkg_add doesn't really know how to compare versions. And in case you're wondering, it's harder than it seems... Thankyou so much marc for the reply :-) In the mean time what would be the best way t

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Ryan Corder
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 19:29 +0100, Almir Karic wrote: > the {} thingy is strictly text expansion, which means your rules expand to: > > pass out on bge0 from to any > pass out on bge0 from to ! > pass out on bge0 from to any > pass out on bge0 from to ! > > if you use ''pfctl -sr'' you will see

Re: Router performance on OpenBSD and OpenBGPD

2007-03-16 Thread Dan Farrell
Yeah that's what I was thinking... you not only eliminate a single point of failure, but you also split your pps throughput requirements in half. Danno Danno.appliedi.net/drupal/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Martin Toft Sent: Saturday,

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Almir Karic
On 3/16/07, Ryan Corder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:09 +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: > Ryan Corder wrote: > > > alternatively, I did this and it seemed to work > > > > pass out on bge0 from to { any, ! } > > pass out on bge0 from to { any, ! } > > The above is an overkill

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
> Is it true that Puffy is not here because of Theo's concerns about > his copyrighted Puffy logo? > http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg No. That is false. Whoever told you that lied to you. > I also couldn't use Puffy logo on Ronja because then I wouldn't be able to >

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/16/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it true that Puffy is not here because of Theo's concerns about his copyrighted Puffy logo? http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg I also couldn't use Puffy logo on Ronja because then I wouldn't be able to talk about Op

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/16/07, Martin Schrvder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip blah blah blah...] After all the kvetching and sensationalism that's characterized both this thread and the release of this errata, there's a few things I wanted to point out. Theo's already put out the timeline and circumstances around

Re: No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Jack J. Woehr
On Mar 16, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I think Theo should stop being paranoid about his Puffy. You don't understand! Theo's just trying to protect us. Handling the deadly pufferfish is very dangerous, and best left to experts! -- Jack J. Woehr Director of Development Absolute P

No Blob without Puffy

2007-03-16 Thread Karel Kulhavy
Is it true that Puffy is not here because of Theo's concerns about his copyrighted Puffy logo? http://misc.allbsd.de/Kampagnen/NoBlob/NoBlob-en-Poster.jpg I also couldn't use Puffy logo on Ronja because then I wouldn't be able to talk about OpenBSD negatively if it came out there is some serious p

Re: pkg_add -ui auto update choses lower version of package by default if there is only one option

2007-03-16 Thread Marc Espie
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 05:50:45PM +0530, Siju George wrote: > Hi, > > I tried today to update my packages with the > > $sudo pkg_add -ui > > command. > > I found that it selected lower versions of the packages automatically :-( > as senn in the sample below. > > > Candidates for updating vim

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/16/07, Travers Buda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: * tony sarendal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 08:15:18]: > I don't see how your excuses apply here. > I can't help this =) : I noticed your quote about metaphysics. Well it's metaphysically ridiculous to even expect excuses from people who

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Jacob Yocom-Piatt
Miod Vallat wrote: PS Besides the aac stuff I noticed "marc-20070203". What is "marc"? MARC is a top secret project only US government agencies and their contractors know about. The name stands for : Moderately Advanced Rumours Creator and is being used as part of an evil conspiracy

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Miod Vallat wrote: PS Besides the aac stuff I noticed "marc-20070203". What is "marc"? MARC is a top secret project only US government agencies and their contractors know about. The name stands for : Moderately Advanced Rumours Creator and is being used as part of an e

Re: Dump(8) not honoring nodump flag

2007-03-16 Thread daniele . pilenga
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 03/16/2007 02:40:38 PM: [...] > > > I'm working on a patch. The hold up is digging through restore to make > > > sure I do this correctly. No point in frogging up dumpinomap, > > > dumpdirmap, and usedinomap if restore doesn't do what you expect. > > > > Why should t

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Travers Buda
* Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 12:09:28]: > > In other operating system the concept of upgrading is straightforward - > Windows > ask you and you press OK, in Gentoo Linux you type a magic sequence of magic > commands and your system is up to date. But in OpenBSD it seems that

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Travers Buda
* tony sarendal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 08:15:18]: > I don't see how your excuses apply here. > I can't help this =) : I noticed your quote about metaphysics. Well it's metaphysically ridiculous to even expect excuses from people who owe you nothing. > If Theo made a mistake by not sen

Re: weird PF behavior

2007-03-16 Thread Ryan Corder
On Fri, 2007-03-16 at 11:09 +0100, Alexander Hall wrote: > Ryan Corder wrote: > > > alternatively, I did this and it seemed to work > > > > pass out on bge0 from to { any, ! } > > pass out on bge0 from to { any, ! } > > The above is an overkill equivalent to > > pass out on bge0 from to any >

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Miod Vallat
PS Besides the aac stuff I noticed "marc-20070203". What is "marc"? MARC is a top secret project only US government agencies and their contractors know about. The name stands for : Moderately Advanced Rumours Creator and is being used as part of an evil conspiracy to reduce the signa

Re: inet6 buffer overflow

2007-03-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 3/16/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 11:52:44AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote: > On Thu, Mar 15, 2007 at 10:26:23AM +, Gaby Vanhegan wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Reading the security advisory for the ipv6 buffer issue, the > > workaround is to block inet6 traffi

Request for dmesg with Gigabyte GA-M61PM-S2

2007-03-16 Thread Mikolaj Kucharski
Hi, Could someone who submit dmesg with GA-M61PM-S2 motherboard be so kind and send it to me off the list with `sysctl hw' output. Thanks in advance. On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:30:33PM -0600, Jonathan Gray wrote: > CVSROOT: /cvs > Module name: src > Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2

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2007-03-16 Thread Nick !
On 3/15/07, x x <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I on > Ok, I'm using 4.0 from the FTP install for the sets, I still have find > how to get the ports installed, and wanted to see if, and how, to get K > 3.5.6 installed, or should I just use what's ever in the ftp directory > for 4.0. So you d

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Ray Percival
On Mar 16, 2007, at 4:09 AM, Karel Kulhavy wrote: I am not following anything That's obvious. - just installed OpenBSD 4.0 from a CD. What should I follow, then? In other operating system the concept of upgrading is straightforward - Windows ask you and you press OK, in Gentoo Linux you t

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Jason Dixon
On Mar 16, 2007, at 9:53 AM, Diana Eichert wrote: On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Jason Dixon wrote: You're welcome to use my unsupported -stable kernel that I make available for aac users. Please read the aac.README for more details. http://colo2.dixongroup.net/releases/unsupported/4.0- stable-20

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Lars D . Noodén
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Tobias Weisserth wrote: > A nice newbie site explaining this with examples is www.openbsd101.com, if you > don't understand the OpenBSD FAQ. Thanks for posting that one. It hadn't turned up in any of my searches and if it was in any documents I already looked at, I must have

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Anton Karpov
> In other operating system the concept of upgrading is straightforward - > Windows > ask you and you press OK, in Gentoo Linux you type a magic sequence of > magic > commands and your system is up to date. In OpenBSD, you type a logical sequence of logical commands and your system is up to date

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Martin Schröder
2007/3/16, Karl O. Pinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On 03/16/2007 02:51:48 AM, Kian Mohageri wrote: Expectations aside, being condescending is never warranted. > Both > Karl and Martin did just that. I did not intend to be condesending and apologise if it was taken that way. Same here. It was a sta

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Diana Eichert
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007, Jason Dixon wrote: You're welcome to use my unsupported -stable kernel that I make available for aac users. Please read the aac.README for more details. http://colo2.dixongroup.net/releases/unsupported/4.0-stable-20070314/i386/ P.S. As Joachim mentions, you have to trus

Re: Dump(8) not honoring nodump flag

2007-03-16 Thread Jim Razmus
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070316 03:58]: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 15/03/2007 19:26:48: > > > * [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Trying to dump a filesystem with nodump flags on some folders results > in > > > these folders been dumped anyway, even on higher leve

Re: Important OpenBSD errata

2007-03-16 Thread Karl O. Pinc
On 03/16/2007 02:51:48 AM, Kian Mohageri wrote: Expectations aside, being condescending is never warranted. Both Karl and Martin did just that. I did not intend to be condesending and apologise if it was taken that way. Karl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Free Software: "You don't pay back, you pay fo

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Tobias Weisserth
Hi, On Friday, 16. March 2007 12:09, Karel Kulhavy wrote: > I am not following anything - just installed OpenBSD 4.0 from a CD. What > should I follow, then? That's your choice. If you just want a stable and reliable OpenBSD then install -release (that's what you did). If you want to keep it pa

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 12:09:28PM +0100, Karel Kulhavy wrote: | I am not following anything - just installed OpenBSD 4.0 from a CD. What should | I follow, then? | | In other operating system the concept of upgrading is straightforward - Windows | ask you and you press OK, in Gentoo Linux you type

Re: OpenBSD-Entwickler wollten kritische Lu:cke kleinreden

2007-03-16 Thread Henning Brauer
* Lars Hansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-03-16 12:24]: > On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 11:23:59 +0100 > Frank Tegtmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The article claims that the OpenBSD developers tried to deny that the > > ICMPv6 bug is a remotely exploitable security hole. > > Aha. Slow newsday in German

ral, ibss and packets larger than 200 bytes

2007-03-16 Thread Stefan Sperling
Hello, I've recently got a ral-based card and I have a problem in IBSS mode. It seems that ral fails to send any kind of packets larger than 200 bytes (192 bytes + 8 bytes icmp header). I want to use my ral-based card to connect to the "freifunk" network in Berlin, Germany. ("Freifunk" can be rou

Re: Contradictory statement on vulnerability

2007-03-16 Thread Marius ROMAN
You need to read the FAQ : http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/faq10.html#Patches http://cvs.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade40.html Read the ENTIRE FAQ, because it's there for a GOOD reason. Marius On 3/16/07, Karel Kulhavy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Mar 16, 2007 at 09:54:47AM +0100, Vincent GROSS wrot

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