Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-20 Thread David Walters via groups.io
[Edited Message Follows] Very out of date, Duen. India already produces nuclear WMD on it's own without the help of commercial nuclear reactors. They do with militarized "research" reactors in the exact same way the U.S. and other nuclear weapon powers do it. Secondly, the opening comment is ba

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-20 Thread David Walters via groups.io
Very out of date, Duen. India already produces nuclear WMD on it's own without the help of commercial nuclear reactors. They do with militarized "research" reactors in the exact same way the U.S. and other nuclear weapon powers do it. Secondly, the opening comment is basically a lie. No one argu

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-20 Thread duen filan via groups.io
"In the years before it's first nuclear test in May 1974, India's top nuclear officials posed a significant challenge to U.S. nonproliferation policy when they insisted that they could freely use plutonium produced in their nuclear reactors for a peaceful nuclear explosion (pne). For Washington, t

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-19 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 10:48 AM, Tom Walker via groups.io > wrote: > > In my pop-up book, Marx's Fetters: a remedial reading I failed your intelligence test Tom and cannot figure out to read the book sequentially. Do you have it in paper form? Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 5:26 PM, Charlie via groups.io > wrote: > > What counts is which concepts model real life the best. Reasonable and informed people can - and do - disagree on that. So often people will ask which components Marx thought modeled real life the best. Now we are in the rea

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 05:26 PM, Charlie wrote: > > Exactly the wrong way to "evaluate" and operate. What counts is not text > versus text. What counts is which concepts model real life the best. Your > textualism is a firm opposite to materialism. Do you have a crush on me, Charlie? -=-=-=-=

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Charlie
Walker: 'Marx was always "working things out" and thus it is unwise to pick a sentence from this 1852 letter or a passage from that 1859 preface as the definitive statement of "Historical Materialism." That isn't how I operate. When I cite a passage from the Grundrisse, it is not because th

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
hari kumar asked: > How much credence do you think there is to this following thought - > That since Marx was 'working things out' in 'Grundrisse' he simply > developed his arguments in a differing way. Absolutely, Marx was always "working things out" and thus it is unwise to pick a sentence fro

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 2:54 PM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > I never saw it coming, Mark. The term is theirs, not mine. If you follow > Saito and Foster, it is a term they use. But it should be discussed more > fully, obviously. > It is "degrowth." Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread hari kumar via groups.io
Hello Tom: How much credence do you think there is to this following thought - That since Marx was 'working things out' in 'Grundrisse' he simply developed his arguments in a differing way. For example the page-half of the start of what became 'The Commodity" in Volume 1 as Chapter 1? Thanks for

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
I never saw it coming, Mark. The term is theirs, not mine. If you follow Saito and Foster, it is a term they use. But it should be discussed more fully, obviously. David -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#35298): https://gr

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 18, 2025, at 8:58 AM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > I want to address Mark B.'s new, it seems, adherence to de-development > separately. You make it sound like "new adherence" is a bad thing, David. And it's not de-development. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io L

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Charlie
On Tue, Feb 18, 2025 at 01:48 PM, Tom Walker wrote: > > On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 04:29 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > >> And this calls into question another quotation from Marx's 1859 Critique >> of Political Economy: >> >> "At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of >> soc

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread Tom Walker via groups.io
On Sun, Feb 16, 2025 at 04:29 PM, Mark Baugher wrote: > > And this calls into question another quotation from Marx's 1859 Critique > of Political Economy: > > "At a certain stage of development, the material productive forces of > society come into conflict with the existing relations of product

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-18 Thread David Walters via groups.io
[I want to address Mark B.'s new, it seems, adherence to de-development separately.] I wanted to respond to the "nuclear energy equals nuclear WMD" urban legend(s). There IS a connection between civilian nuclear energy and nuclear weapons bit is not what anyone thinks on this list. The only cou

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-16 Thread Charlie
Mark wishes that "hopefully the problems have been debated; solutions decided and then implemented by a highly-organized and conscious working class." Bellamy Foster, Saito, and Burkett can have their theoretical go. Opposite views will have their say, too. I've written ( https://mltoday.com/gl

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-16 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 16, 2025, at 10:09 AM, Charlie via groups.io > wrote: > > What is this "rift in the global left on ecology"? A review of two books does > not qualify as documentation of one. There's always a rift on the left, Charlie. Here's JBF's take on the ecological rift between various flavo

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-16 Thread Charlie
What is this "rift in the global left on ecology"? A review of two books does not qualify as documentation of one. The big rift is in the ecological movement, between reform under capitalism and socialist revolution as the only way out. One side says we cannot "wait" for socialism. The other si

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-15 Thread David Walters via groups.io
... in an isolated First People's community of...350 members. They have little choice unless they want to continue to pay for expensive diesel. Nothing on costs or reliability. They will end up having to build about 4 times name plate capacity to power their small village for 24 hours. I wonder

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-15 Thread duen filan via groups.io
"most solar in the northern hemisphere is only .18 or 1/5th the rated power." David believes that solar isn't feasible at northern latitudes when in fact it is already happening. Here are a couple more internet "bites" to enlighten him: communitygreenmap.ca May 22, 2024 "The T'Sou-ke Nation on

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-14 Thread Marv Gandall via groups.io
On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 09:27 AM, David Walters wrote: > > On the other comment about costs. Now, that is a far more serious > discussion... if one adds up all the real costs, nuclear comes out cheaper > than solar and wind. It IS a huge debate but the only real one that is > effective in getting

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-14 Thread David Walters via groups.io
[Edited Message Follows] New Zealand then is like Sweden and the Canadian province of Ontario. Both have large amounts of hydro and in their case, nuclear (approx. 50% in each), which together allow for almost no fossil fuel burning at all. Sweden is now reconsidering its decades old ban on new

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-14 Thread David Walters via groups.io
New Zealand then is like Sweden and the Canadian province of Ontario. Both have large amounts of hydro and in their case, nuclear (approx. 50% in each), which together allow for almost no fossil fuel burning at all. Sweden is now reconsidering its decades old ban on new nuclear. David -=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-13 Thread John Edmundson via groups.io
One obvious issue with solar is that it only generates power during the daytime, and that is not when most domestic power use occurs. Obviously industry is working in the middle of the day (if not also at night) but households often use most of their power in the evening, after work, and to heat th

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-13 Thread David Walters via groups.io
[a response to all the comments I've not responded to as of now] Duen pulling sound bites off the internet is hardly enlightening or expanding our understanding of the issues. Jakzco was *appointed* by Harry Reid (Senator from Nevada) to kill Yucca Mountain. He was and remains an anti-nuclear ha

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-13 Thread duen filan via groups.io
Fukushima, Chernobyl, Three Mile Island? Never happened. "Nuclear is unlikely to make a relevant contribution to necessary climate change mitigation needed by the 2030's due to nuclear's impracticably lengthy development and construction timelines, and the overwhelming construction costs of the v

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-11 Thread Charlie
The Martin Bush article talks about current costs per kWh. It cites technology options that may lower solar and wind costs. It does not address how much solar and wind output of electricity can be expanded. Their output can be expanded, of course – but that adds additional costs which the articl

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-11 Thread Marv Gandall via groups.io
David, I’ve always been impressed by your pro-nuclear advocacy. This article is slightly dated, but strikes me an equally persuasive counter-argument. Can you point to any flaws in his reasoning or evidence? By Martin Bush Policy Options September 1 2023 > > > https://policyoptions.irpp.org/m

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-11 Thread David Walters via groups.io
First, to answer "Modulas" what you write is factually accurate. But the costs to extract uranium from seawater is about 10x what the current price-per-pound is, or even more. The article is a good one and both the Chinese and Japanese are working on this technology. So, technically, uranium is

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-11 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 10, 2025, at 4:29 PM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > 1. YES, we need more energy. We need a LOT more energy in order to get OFF of > fossil fuels, our common goal. Do you think WE on this list have a common goal with THEY who produce energy commodities? According to THEM

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread modulus via groups.io
Hi, Regarding the issue of uranium availability: On 11/02/2025 5:50, David Walters via groups.io wrote: Good question. We use about 70,000 tons a year as fuel for reactors and for military weapons. Uranium, like any raw material commodity under the political economy of Imperialism reserves of

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread David Walters via groups.io
Good question. We use about 70,000 tons a year as fuel for reactors and for military weapons. Uranium, like any raw material commodity under the political economy of Imperialism reserves of it depend on what the price may be, per pound, at any given time. When the price goes down, the "amount" o

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread John Edmundson via groups.io
Out of interest, how much uranium or other reactor fuel is estimated to exist and how long might it last? Because it may not be a fossil fuel but it is finite. Comradely, John On Tue, 11 Feb 2025, 13:29 David Walters via groups.io, wrote: > David, Is that what we want? More energy? More poison

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread David Walters via groups.io
> > David, Is that what we want? More energy? More poison to accumulate, or > eventually to be dumped on the lands of the least powerful? > > Mark, are raising literally 3 distinct issues. 1. YES, we need more energy. We need a LOT more energy in order to get OFF of fossil fuels, our common go

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Feb 10, 2025, at 11:27 AM, David Walters via groups.io > wrote: > > By repeating such radiophobic haikus about nuclear essentially has allowed > the pro-energy and pro-nuclear side to dominate. David, Is that what we want? More energy? More poison to accumulate, or eventually to be du

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread David Walters via groups.io
Duen writes: > > David persists in  fighting a losing battle, flogging his radioactive dead > horse, "Pirani revolves his POV around the need to build out solar and > wind. Mine is to build out nuclear" > > A losing battle? Do tell? One of the things that non-energy interested folks do, is a

Re: [marxmail] Pakistan's rush to rooftop solar brings dreams and nightmares

2025-02-10 Thread duen filan via groups.io
David persists in fighting a losing battle, flogging his radioactive dead horse, "Pirani revolves his POV around the need to build out solar and wind. Mine is to build out nuclear" gienergy.com.au Solar Power VS Nuclear Power - Which is better? "While nuclear power produces a lot of energy and i