Re: [marxmail] Venezuela's Maduro gives industry to Alex Saab

2024-10-20 Thread Charlie
Slee repeats one point every time: you must not look Venezuelan reality in the face. This is his "blockade" answer to everything. To put it bluntly, Alex Saab is a parasitic vermin crawling in the dirt. If Maduro's new economic model, itemized above, leads to installing Saab as minister of indu

Re: [marxmail] Venezuela's Maduro gives industry to Alex Saab

2024-10-20 Thread Chris Slee
Charlie says: "Maduro's new economic model includes, as noted by the Communist Party of Venezuela: - Privatization of important sectors of strategic industries, including oil, mines, gas and core industries. - Granting of extraction licenses to multinational companies such as Chevron (USA), Re

[marxmail] This Is Zionism

2024-10-20 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Further | This Is Zionism | Opinion   (Photos at the link) This Is Zionism Honestly, harrowingly, what to say. After a year of bombing, maiming, starving, killing Palestinians, mostly children, Israel just burned alive before the world a sleeping, wounded, 19-year-old software engineering stu

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread Barry Brooks
Words are so inadequate to express what we can know in silence that language might be seen as standing in the way of understanding. Knowing the name of something is frequently confused with having a clue. See a "tree" and miss that tree. Barry -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You rec

[marxmail] Open Letter on Vijay Prashad and Campism – People Against All Imperialisms

2024-10-20 Thread Michael Pugliese
Open Letter on Vijay Prashad and Campism – People Against All Imperialisms https://peopleagainstimperialisms.wordpress.com/2024/10/16/open-letter-on-vijay-prashad-and-campism/ A reply, https://x.com/aotearoalib/status/1848096801641103721?s=46&t=thf2gsXv3Gi946-uvyZAzw . -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

[marxmail] After Israel Killed Hamas Leader, D.C. Pushes to Hand Palestine to Saudi Arabia

2024-10-20 Thread Dennis Brasky
Bent on a “mega-deal” security pact with Saudi Arabia, Congress and the Biden administration see their chance. https://theintercept.com/2024/10/18/israel-hamas-yahya-sinwar-killed-congress/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread Mark Baugher
> On Oct 20, 2024, at 4:44 PM, sartesian via groups.io > wrote: > > Quit lying and I'll stop calling you a liar. This thread has degenerated into an uncivil exchange between two people and needs to end. Mark -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this gr

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread sartesian
An example of Marv's self-control: > > As a good and principled revolutionary, you would not have participated in > the trade union, civil rights, womens' gay, and other social movements > which sought to translate their demands into legislative reforms through > the Democratic Party.  Or if you

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 02:33 PM, wrote: > > According to your argument, SNCC and its supporters should have  been > members of the Democratic Party. Not at all. You're confusing the point about the need for left-wing activists to join with the mass of  loyal Democrats to pressure their party

[marxmail] Israeli Military Joins Settlers’ War to Displace Palestinian Bedouins

2024-10-20 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
Israeli Military Joins In on Settlers’ War to Displace Palestinian Bedouins | | | | | | | | | | | Israeli Military Joins In on Settlers’ War to Displace Palestinian Bedouins Dalia Hatuqa With the Israeli military standing by or, increasingly, joining settler attacks, Bedouin commun

[marxmail] Venezuela's Maduro gives industry to Alex Saab

2024-10-20 Thread Charlie
Venezuelan strongman Nicolas Maduro on Friday appointed controversial businessman Alex Saab as the country’s minister of industry and production. Saab was released from a Florida prison after he was pardoned last year by President Joe Biden. In exchange for the businessman’s freedom, Caracas re

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread sartesian
Anybody else want to take a stab at answering the questions: re Walter Daum's assertion, where in the last century has a socialist party made a "tactical" alliance with a bourgeois party that advanced the self-organization  of the working class? re the Liar:   where has entry into a bourgeois p

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread sartesian
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 03:44 PM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > As a good and principled revolutionary, you would not have participated in > the trade union, civil rights, womens' gay, and other social movements > which sought to translate their demands into legislative reforms through > the Democratic

[marxmail] The Israeli General’s Plan in Gaza - A Mini Genocide by Starvation

2024-10-20 Thread Charles Keener via groups.io
American officials continue to be Israel’s willing enablers to carry on with its General’s Starvation Plan in a systematic and phased mini-genocide. George Orwell’s dystopian foresight could easily find new expressions in the ongoing Israeli wars of genocide in Gaza and Lebanon. Much like “w

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread abraham Weizfeld PhD
An intriging subject here; � now, language cannot be considered fundamental to thought since the acquisition of words was achieved by way of thought. Language is simply a code to transmit materiel events as well as thought by way of memory, abstraction, approximation and metaphor. � As fo

[marxmail] potatoes and famine

2024-10-20 Thread Dennis Brasky
"The Irish Potato Famine is famous, but it's hardly unique. Fam­ines have been a part of human history from the beginning. The horrible irony, however, is that once agriculture had advanced enough to nourish all the world's people, famines only became even more common and horrific, a direct result

[marxmail] The ‘pact of silence’ between Israelis and their media

2024-10-20 Thread Dennis Brasky
Israel’s long-subservient media has spent the past year imbuing the public with a sense of righteousness over the Gaza war. Reversing this indoctrination, says media observer Oren Persico, could take decades. https://www.972mag.com/israeli-media-pact-of-silence-gaza/ -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Group

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread ioannis aposperites
I have not written materialism but physicalism, a form of vulgar-materialist approach, as epitomized by DM Armstrong. Physicalism was a philosophical project to establish a strict (yet not necessary) identity between concrete mental events and detectable physical phenomena in the brain. https:

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 10:27 AM, wrote: > > The questions I posed remain unanswered. *Your answer to my questions:* As a good and principled revolutionary, you would not have participated in the trade union, civil rights, womens' gay, and other social movements which sought to translate the

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

2024-10-20 Thread Chris Slee
Of the 1200 Israelis who died on October 7 last year, about 400 were soldiers. Of the remaining 800, a large proportion were killed when the Israeli military bombed the Hamas members who were holding them captive (in houses, cars, etc). The real problem with the Hamas attack was that it gave I

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread sartesian
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 11:44 AM, Marv Gandall wrote: > > Should we take this to  to mean that the trade union, civil rights, > womens' gay, and other social movements should not have sought to > translate their demands into legislative reforms through the Democratic > Party?  Or through the Labo

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread Avram Rips
There isn’t any parties or left really that is not subservient to autocratic states which the “ left” sees as a model or ignores their imperialism like Russia and China. So no chance of independent left parties emerging. On Friday, October 18, 2024, Anthony Boynton via groups.io wrote: > If Harr

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread hari kumar
Sorry that was unclear. It was a query to Ioannis Aposperites. So Ioannis - if the Sci American article swerved too much to materialism (I think that was your comment) - what is your reaction Lenin's "Materialism and empirocriticism" and the designation there on thoughts? Thx H -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread Marv Gandall
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 08:11 AM, wrote: > > Where has entry into a bourgeois party "complemented" extra parliamentary > class struggle? Should we take this to  to mean that the trade union, civil rights, womens' gay, and other social movements should not have sought to translate their demand

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread sartesian
On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 04:55 AM, hari kumar wrote: > > But I also have a serious rejoinder that Sartesian should consider also > (at least in my view). That is whatever the historical survey - what > alternative do you Sartesian propose? > > I know that Lenin rightly also tells us that the

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

2024-10-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
and yet some folks are celebrating Sinwar's masterminding of the killing of 1200 Israelis --- even though most of them were NOT "military" --- No matter how justified they might have felt, the Vietnamese did not kill every American pilot who was shot down --- they actually kept them fed, etc. whil

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

2024-10-20 Thread Marv Gandall
"Biden’s remarks hailing the killing of Sinwar could have been made by a fascist leader. They exemplify the repudiation of democratic principles at the highest levels of the American state. Assassinations and genocide are being embraced by the leaders of “democratic” countries as legitimate poli

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread hari kumar
What is your response to 'Materialism & Empirocriticism'? H -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33044): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33044 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/109108434/21656 -=-=- POSTING RULES & NOTE

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread hari kumar
That is a great point. But obviously excludes music-art forms like opera set to a libretto. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#33043): https://groups.io/g/marxmail/message/33043 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/109108434

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

2024-10-20 Thread Michael Meeropol
THank you, Steven --- my sentiments exactly ...General Custer was "brave" also he was no revolutionary hero! On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 7:08 AM stevencolatrella via groups.io wrote: > We are all appalled at Israel's genocide in Gaza. But when did Che Guevara > organize a massacre of thousands o

[marxmail] A Russian anti-war activist citizen may be deported from Serbia

2024-10-20 Thread a . serij12
Hello! A Russian citizen living in Serbia is facing the threat of deportation. We would like to highlight this case on our various platforms to help prevent the deportation. - - - A Russian citizen, Anton Bobryshev, may be deported from Serbia. According to a decision by the Ministry of Intern

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread ioannis aposperites
Στις 20/10/24 14:03, ο/η stevencolatrella via groups.io έγραψε: This was always a big problem,  among others,  with postmodernism,  which presupposes ontologically the primacy of language and especially written language,  excluding "experience " as an unmediated category. I do agree about stru

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread Bobby MacVeety
Left out of this discussion is the way musicians, and especially jazz musicians, communicate in the moment and react while listening and playing….no language involved, thinking in rhythm and harmony On Oct 20, 2024, at 4:17 AM, hari kumar via groups.io wrote:Barry may have a fuller and different

Re: [marxmail] Yahya Sinwar – The Che Guevara of Our Times (Necrology)

2024-10-20 Thread stevencolatrella
We are all appalled at Israel's genocide in Gaza. But when did Che Guevara organize a massacre of thousands of civilians as a form of struggle? And when did Hamas declare itself for class struggle,  or socialism,  or the liberation of all  worldwide? I appreciate the sentiment,  but let's not be

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread stevencolatrella
Thanks for this.  This was always a big problem,  among others,  with postmodernism,  which presupposes ontologically the primacy of language and especially written language,  excluding "experience " as an unmediated category.  But you can think and react without words, and my cat does it all t

Re: [marxmail] What if Marx had emigrated to Texas?

2024-10-20 Thread stevencolatrella
Actually,  and I assume it was the whole point of this thread,  Msrx was seriously considering moving to Texas at one point.  I think my friend Harry Cleaver may have written on it. I can't remember at which point in his life, but he was in contact with German communists in Texas. Harry wrote th

Re: [marxmail] if Harris wins

2024-10-20 Thread hari kumar
To Marv, but actually to Sartesian ultimately: I think it is a task that is definitely worth doing to respond to such a meaningful and actually I think a very constructive question. But I think it does take a fair bit of a careful historical survey - to address properly. For my part I shall try

Re: [marxmail] Do animals need words to think?

2024-10-20 Thread hari kumar
Barry may have a fuller and different answer to Charlie. And maybe technology is even better than that which I describe below. Although I am suspecting we have not crossed those limits yet. As far as I am aware most imaging technology uses physiological correspondents to any 'work' being done b