On Sun, Oct 20, 2024 at 04:55 AM, hari kumar wrote:

> 
> But I also have a serious rejoinder that Sartesian should consider also
> (at least in my view). That is whatever the historical survey - what
> alternative do you Sartesian propose?
> ....
> I know that Lenin rightly also tells us that the class learns at certain
> revolutionary times in history more than a century of other times (forget
> exact quite - but that is its gist). Is it a reliance on this that
> underlies your eschewing of any actions other than a sudden transforming
> lightning bolt of revolutionary intent? No prior structures, vehicles,
> forms to prepare? I am not goading, I just don't get the structure.
> 
> 

H-

To your first  question-- please take the time to read my post above that 
contains my "alternative."

To the second--I'm not eschewing any actions, discounting structures, vehicles, 
forms.  I've written nothing that means that or indicate a belief in pure 
spontaneity.  I oppose the view that viable, class based structures, vehicles, 
forms will be built by entry into, a tactical alliance with, or support of a 
capitalist part y or institution.

So the questions remain--where has collaboration with, support of bourgeois 
parties advanced the "self-organization" of the proletariat?

Where has entry into a bourgeois party "complemented" extra parliamentary class 
struggle?


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