Re: [mailop] So, about this iOS10 unsubscribe feature...

2017-05-22 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, May 22, 2017, at 18:59, frnk...@iname.com wrote: > Just starting last week we started seeing our outbound queues fill up > with undeliverable client messages generated because of this one-click > unsubscribe feature. Since this Apple feature has been in place for > over six months, I’m sur

Re: [mailop] btinternet.com blacklist

2017-07-18 Thread Dave Warren
As far as #2, because users of said servers often want to send email. On Mon, Jul 17, 2017, at 12:05, Tim Starr wrote: > An overall admirable response, keep up the good work. Just 2 questions:> > 1) Why not put TLDR at top? > 2) Why allow email to be sent at all from "unmanaged servers"? > > -T

Re: [mailop] btinternet.com blacklist

2017-07-18 Thread Dave Warren
Starr wrote: > Then what does "unmanaged" mean in this context? > > -Tim > > On Tue, Jul 18, 2017 at 1:28 AM, Dave Warren wrote:>> __ >> As far as #2, because users of said servers often want to send email.>> >> >> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017, at 12

Re: [mailop] self-signed cert for inbound TLS

2017-07-27 Thread Dave Warren
On Thu, Jul 27, 2017, at 09:05, Vittorio Bertola wrote: > >> Il 26 luglio 2017 alle 19.10 Brandon Long ha scritto:>> >> Why can't smtp software being expected to maintain a list of trusted CAs? >> Or at least run on an OS that is expected to do so.> There is a standard >> explanation (liter

Re: [mailop] Gmail labeled as Spam based on content

2017-08-01 Thread Dave Warren
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017, at 13:48, Paul Witting wrote: > Anyone from Gmail here? Hopefully I’m not off topic. > > CEO was complaining about mail not getting to clients (not mail campaigns, > just day to day business). He sent a simple Subject: Test w/ Body Test (+ > signature) to his personal G

Re: [mailop] unique/shared public DKIM keys per domain?

2017-10-10 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-10-10 08:20, John R Levine wrote: On Tue, 10 Oct 2017, David Hofstee wrote: Didn't Google mention they wanted the age of the keys to count in the spam score? I'll check but I would be surprised if it made much difference. I rotate my keys every month, which seems to be more often tha

Re: [mailop] Gmail forwarding blowback

2017-11-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-11-08 12:20, Warren Volz wrote: All, One of my users has their account setup to forward mail to Gmail. Recently I've started to see lots of rejects that look like the following: (expanded from ): host gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[2607:f8b0:400e:c04::1a] said: 550-5.7.1 [ipv6 address 18

Re: [mailop] DHL.com email admin contact?

2017-11-15 Thread Dave Warren
I'm not actually seeing how this is DHL's fault. DMARC requires either DKIM *or* SPF to pass, if you're misconfigured such that you're breaking SPF that would seem to be your issue more than DHL's. In an ideal world, senders would aim to pass both DKIM and SPF, but if you're intentionally breaking

Re: [mailop] Heads Up

2018-01-21 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-01-21 09:40, Charles McKean wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: On Sat, 2018-01-20 at 11:14 +1100, Michelle Sullivan wrote: One can only conclude, they either have a leak in their API, or they altered the permissions to give out emails when specific

Re: [mailop] [OT] Re: contact at telkomsa.net

2018-02-13 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-02-13 03:33, G. Miliotis wrote: Hi, For a moment there I thought that there was a banner ad in your signature. May I suggest you make it animated, it'll be a lot more catchy. That and I wonder what MimeCast pays for a sponsored email footer? _

Re: [mailop] VERP in 2018 (Was: RoadRunner Help?)

2018-02-17 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-02-17 03:48, Stefano Bagnara wrote: Unfortunately there are still some server accepting everything and sending bounces without headers or malformed bounces. This is not a small group. Every few months I get massive floods of bounces from some spambot that decided forging my domain is a

Re: [mailop] GSuites looking too closely at first-hop Received: headers?

2018-02-28 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-02-27 21:17, Philip Paeps wrote: You're posting as an alias in a domain from a server that's not authorized to send mail for that domain and isn't dkim signing for that domain, and posting to a public group in that domain.  It's kind of a spammy set of circumstances, but really it's the

Re: [mailop] Microsoft IPs automatically unsubscribing recipients?

2018-03-02 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-03-01 16:26, David Carriger wrote: Yes, I'm still seeing this. So, an open question: As an ESP, how am I supposed to tell my users to practice good list hygiene and remove unengaged recipients from their lists when my data is being tainted by Google/Microsoft/etc triggering all of my e

Re: [mailop] Received header address information

2018-04-20 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-04-18 17:49, Al Iverson wrote: In the past I've had to deal with DNSBL listings based on faked received headers-- IMHO, it's not safe to parse IPs beyond connections that you yourself have verified. I've always considered this a feature, not a bug. Spammer forges their way into getting

Re: [mailop] HELO *.*

2018-06-11 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, at 13:27, Brielle Bruns wrote: > Been seeing an awful lot of these lately on one of my email servers > (exim based): > > > 2018-06-11 14:15:44 no host name found for IP address 157.25.104.90 > 2018-06-11 14:15:47 rejected HELO from [157.25.104.90]: syntactically > invalid

Re: [mailop] Bitcoin password ransom email from user at outlook.com

2018-07-12 Thread Dave Warren
Keep in mind that "no human will likely ever read..." does not mean that the mailbox is ignored. At this scale abuse handling is automated in one fashion or another. I have no knowledge of what specifically Microsoft is doing. On 2018-07-12 14:28, Eric Tykwinski wrote: I really hope your wro

Re: [mailop] Bitcoin password ransom email from user at outlook.com

2018-07-13 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-07-13 08:53, Mihai Costea wrote: At the other side of the spectrum there are one off mails that go ignored due to the signal to noise ratio of the long tail. There’s tons of folks with weird complains (from “I think Xbox live is too expensive” to suggestions on what billGates should d

Re: [mailop] Gmail - Anybody out there from Gmail, willing to assist with strange reputation issue

2018-09-03 Thread Dave Warren
owed by contact from a mortgage broker with documents attached for one of the properties. In one case I called a doctor's office and asked them to remove my address, they did and were very apologetic, then a couple weeks later they re-added my address. Apparently that Dave Warren gave the

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-09-07 15:09, Jay Hennigan wrote: On 9/7/18 12:32 PM, Michael Peddemors wrote: * Do you enforce 'tough' passwords? Most formula-based "tough" passwords are only "tough" for the legitimate user, not an attacker. Consider that with email protocols, this doesn't necessarily apply. Whi

Re: [mailop] GMail Delisting

2018-09-11 Thread Dave Warren
On 2018-09-11 11:00, Mike Hammett wrote: Most platforms have a password per account. Not a password per account-service combination. Yes, and? This isn't an overnight switch or even possible on all platforms, but it is a viable way to move forward. Most of the major consumer platforms (Googl

Re: [mailop] Expires SSL cert for mailop

2018-10-26 Thread Dave Warren
On Fri, Oct 26, 2018, at 19:29, Noel Butler wrote: > Problem with letsencrypt is their preferred and insisted " certbot " > - does not run (easily at least) on all flavours..> I gave up with it on > slackware which is what my servers run, tried > using Crypt::LE and voila instant success, it was p

Re: [mailop] Quick question on SPF...

2019-01-26 Thread Dave Warren
On 2019-01-24 09:29, Paul Ebersman wrote: And if the server doesn't give the same complete answer every time (regardless of order), it's technically violating the DNS RFCs. I'm not sure that this is really true from a client's standpoint. Just because you get a different answer from my authori

Re: [mailop] Quick question on SPF...

2019-01-26 Thread Dave Warren
On 2019-01-26 16:24, Paul Ebersman wrote: ebersman> And if the server doesn't give the same complete answer every ebersman> time (regardless of order), it's technically violating the DNS ebersman> RFCs. dw> I'm not sure that this is really true from a client's standpoint. dw> Just because you g

Re: [mailop] Office365 Eating E-mail

2019-03-18 Thread Dave Warren
On Sun, Mar 17, 2019, at 19:40, Mike Hammett wrote: > Oh, I love focused. It works exactly as intended. I'll dig around in the > Office 365 I admin and then relay to the one with the problem where to look. > You might, but to less technical users it is just another spam folder that they don't c

[mailop] Gmail Vacation responder replying to spam?

2019-03-29 Thread Dave Warren
I've had a couple users complaining about receiving a bunch of unexpected bounce messages recently, since we filter bounce messages pretty carefully I dug into it and the messages are being pulled from Gmail accounts via our POP retrieval system which bypasses bounce filtering. We don't get the

Re: [mailop] Gmail Vacation responder replying to spam?

2019-03-29 Thread Dave Warren
Thanks, sent off-list! On Fri, Mar 29, 2019, at 17:09, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: > If you send me the header of a message we responded to, I can file a bug. > > Brandon > > On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 3:53 PM Dave Warren wrote: >> I've had a couple users complaining

Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders

2019-04-22 Thread Dave Warren
On 2019-04-22 08:11, Michael Rathbun wrote: Neither you nor your customer are customers of the freemail provider. Agreed. The provider has close to zero economic incentive to pay attention to your needs and desires. I strongly disagree here, the freemail providers have a product (your e

Re: [mailop] Anti-spam recommendations for a user-generated-content host

2015-01-20 Thread Dave Warren
lf is the customizable field! What is the advantage of sending the invite or whatever yourself, rather than providing the user with the ability to do it themselves? iOS share panel, send to the default email client, etc. Don't distribute the abuse yourself, make the abuser handle the distr

Re: [mailop] help with running a listserv and DMARC

2015-02-12 Thread Dave Warren
from users using a domain with a restrictive DMARC policy as needed. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] help with running a listserv and DMARC

2015-02-13 Thread Dave Warren
auditing and forensics. That will cause DMARC to throw an alignment failure, which won't alleviate the problem. However, you could add a key, multiple DKIM keys are permissible, and it would show that the message was signed by the original sender, as well as signed by the list too. -- Dave W

Re: [mailop] AOL SCOMP messages

2015-02-13 Thread Dave Warren
sent more messages in the verification/signup phase than have sent actual ARF reports. Maybe I just don't send enough spam to get value out of the other FBLs out there? -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Multiple mail server setup

2015-03-01 Thread Dave Warren
hing" backup, as a concept, needs to go away. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosignal.org/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Help. Why are my emails being marked as spam by google?

2015-03-17 Thread Dave Warren
register. While this is technically true, domains have a non-trivial cost. IPv6 space is large enough to simply never re-use an IP, ever. Spammers simply can't do anything similar with sending domains. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejw

Re: [mailop] Apple, iPhone setup, attempts SSL on port 587

2015-07-30 Thread Dave Warren
into a MTA port instead of an MSA port? That would seem to totally defeat the purpose of using a MSA port at all, no? https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6409#section-4.3 seems to suggest that authentication is required (although not necessarily SMTP AUTH, other authentication methods are allowed) -- D

Re: [mailop] Apple, iPhone setup, attempts SSL on port 587

2015-07-30 Thread Dave Warren
ific known providers and Exchange/ActiveSync accounts as autodiscovery tends to be more common on these platforms) -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org http://chilli.nosi

Re: [mailop] UPDATE: (was Re: Hotmail/Microsoft/Outlook - getting their attention)

2015-09-08 Thread Dave Warren
I thought Hotmail.com and Outlook.com are the same beast? -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren On 2015-09-08 12:42, Marc Perkel wrote: So - that means the problems we are having will spread to hotmail? On 09/08/15 10:03, Anne Mitchell wrote: Straight

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-09 Thread Dave Warren
roblem is that our customers can set up sieve rules to forward any mail at all, so we can't guarantee that SPF will always pass. Not to beat the drum too hard, but SRS? Or at least rewrite in some fashion such that the mail you emit passes SPF. -- Dave Warren http://www.hire

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Dave Warren
and not have to care about losing legitimate mail, whereas it's not fair to block a sender because a spammer is forging their domain. SPF's neutral, none, softfail and fail responses are mostly just noise. So is it useful? Yes. But does it stop spam? No. -- Dave Warren

Re: [mailop] Delivery to btinternet.com / cpcloud.co.uk

2015-09-10 Thread Dave Warren
7;t actually use SRS, but rather, the BATV-like implementation which rewrites the MAIL FROM field to something trackable. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing li

Re: [mailop] msn/outlook blacklist advice

2015-09-15 Thread Dave Warren
reliable, last I moved IPs. This isn't just for Microsoft, but for all the big providers. Usually after a month or so, the intermittent problems stop, but in the mean time, flowing mail through the old IPs once the new ones get rejected helps keep your customers from rebelling. Your

Re: [mailop] Ex-post-facto spam complaints, a possible UI problem / other mitigation

2015-09-24 Thread Dave Warren
Part of me really wants to respect the complainant's wishes and blacklist all mail from that sender, but obviously this wasn't the intent, and ultimately would only be satisfying on a short term basis. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren _

[mailop] List-Id

2015-12-01 Thread Dave Warren
Is it my imagination or did the List-Id header change? Is this intentional/permanent and/or should I update filtering rules? Previously: List-Id: For mail operators Now: List-Id: For mail operators -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren

Re: [mailop] Fwd: List-Id

2015-12-01 Thread Dave Warren
rver that runs both domains and defaulted to the wrong domain/details, but I didn't investigate far enough to see if there is any overlap between MX records or anything else. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren __

Re: [mailop] Delivery to gmail via IPv6

2015-12-10 Thread Dave Warren
wpoint. I'm not a fan of the current trend of using permanent error codes in SMTP for what might well be transient errors (DNS problems, for example), but at the same time, as a sender, I don't see any value in retrying more than 24 hours. It's tough to balance u

Re: [mailop] ping DNSBLs

2016-01-24 Thread Dave Warren
DNSBL can't be bothered to follow simple standards or doesn't have the technical competence to avoid listing 127.0.0.1, is it worth caring about? If a DNSBL lists an IP in a forest and nobody ever queries it, does anyone but NANAE care? -- Dave Warren http://www.h

Re: [mailop] New method of blocking spam

2016-01-24 Thread Dave Warren
I've read about this new method seems to be a slightly modified bayes approach (with the twist of taking word pairs or triplets into account) and I doubt it will be a real game changer, although it may result in some new ways to tune bayes to increase effectiveness. -- Dave Warren

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/GMail MX Priority Issues.

2016-02-21 Thread Dave Warren
On 2016-02-21 01:40, Adrian Neale (iComms) wrote: Hi there, just joined to try and get some knowledge/help on an issue when getting emails delivered from (particularly) Hotmail/Outlook.com but occasionally Gmail addresses. I consulted RFC5321 and it does say the mail delivery will be tried in

Re: [mailop] Migration of mail client profiles from one system to another

2016-02-24 Thread Dave Warren
gistry, this is the whole point of HKEY_CURRENT_USER (and obviously if the user doesn't have access to the right parts of the registry, neither will Outlook have the ability to create or modify anything) -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.co

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/GMail MX Priority Issues - mailop Digest, Vol 100, Issue 32

2016-02-25 Thread Dave Warren
, etc) I trigger a greylisting, and I've had good luck replacing the IP in a greylist entry with "SPF:PASS" indicator, such that a retry from any other IP that passes SPF is considered the same -- This works for any large sending farm that has valid SPF records. -- Dave Warren ht

Re: [mailop] Microsoft/GMail MX Priority Issues - mailop Digest, Vol 100, Issue 32

2016-02-25 Thread Dave Warren
ocks3.google.com ~all" It's a lot of ranges, and I'm not sure if Google uses them all for mail today, but they well might tomorrow -- I don't see much point in greylisting mail from Google, other than perhaps to allow for URIBLs to learn of new hosts. -- Dave Warren http

Re: [mailop] Yahoo DMARC changes

2016-03-23 Thread Dave Warren
using freemail domains, yet paying for ESP services? For realsies? And if so, wouldn't this be an obvious upsell opportunity or partnership to get these customers using their own domain? -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejw

Re: [mailop] Mail accepted by outlook.com/hotmail.com disappears.

2016-03-23 Thread Dave Warren
thank you for that! -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Warren
I would, if I could pay for just the actual users. Sadly, I have too many other things that need mailboxes and/or accounts for other purposes and I just can't justify paying for each of them. Instead, I just keep Gmail disabled and only use the features that aren't hobbled. On 2016-04-05 11:

Re: [mailop] Gmail rate limit

2016-04-05 Thread Dave Warren
I have the old one with 50 accounts. And "hobbled" might be a bit of an exaggeration, but I do run my own servers and I am used to having all sorts of flexibility :) However, hobbled feels right since the features already exist, they're just... well... -- Dave Warren http://w

Re: [mailop] Should I be disappointed with Reflexion?

2016-04-17 Thread Dave Warren
quot;https://www.bankname-online.example"; type URL, it just might hit a lot of otherwise smart issues. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/

Re: [mailop] "Spammer TLDs" and IP addresses without a reverse?

2016-04-18 Thread Dave Warren
ected business model is not my problem. I'm not saying a TLD can't run promotions, but rather, that the upfront cost shouldn't be it, I'd be fine with a TLD doing second-year-free or similar. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.co

Re: [mailop] "Spammer TLDs" and IP addresses without a reverse?

2016-04-20 Thread Dave Warren
ars with solid anti-fraud / anti-abuse processes tend to present few abuse incidents — at the same price point. While true, how can I pragmatically determine the registrar during the SMTP session in a way that scales? -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.li

Re: [mailop] Cisco PIX Mailguard Oddity

2016-05-05 Thread Dave Warren
ands. Given that RFC 821 is from August of 1982, I would wholeheartedly recommend unplugging them until they catch up to at least 1984, or if that's not possible, at least disable the SMTP-breaking "feature". Even Microsoft published a how-to article on the topic: https://support

Re: [mailop] signup form abuse

2016-05-24 Thread Dave Warren
I might do so again after compromising the corporate bank account so that wire transfer confirmations are not seen and acted upon in a timely fashion. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mail

Re: [mailop] signup form abuse

2016-05-24 Thread Dave Warren
require subscription requests to either have valid SPF, DKIM, or some matching of MX/rDNS/something to indicate it might be legitimate. But of course this would require users to actually want to join lists enough to take action, and we can't have friction. -- Dave Warren

Re: [mailop] signup form abuse

2016-05-29 Thread Dave Warren
alking about mailing list subscriptions here, not missile launch codes; unless one's company depends on mailing lists, the overall resources available to combat a generally-minor problem will be equally minimal and a captcha will defeat the entirety of the types of adversaries wh

Re: [mailop] "One-Click" List-Unsubscribe URIs

2016-06-09 Thread Dave Warren
to expose that to the user and give them a chance to reconsider. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] I trust my candor is appreciated...?

2016-06-09 Thread Dave Warren
the fault really is on their side of the line. Either way, yes, your candor is greatly appreciated! -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] Null MX & Preference

2016-07-18 Thread Dave Warren
s a sloppy mess of things that are valid but their UI won't permit. -- Dave Warren http://www.hireahit.com/ http://ca.linkedin.com/in/davejwarren ___ mailop mailing list mailop@mailop.org https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop

Re: [mailop] How many more RBL's do we really need?

2016-08-30 Thread Dave Warren
Worse still is the silent discards... It makes you beg for a "possible spam detected". The BOFH in me has always wanted to adjust my rejection messages to show the lowest scored DNSBL in the rejection message, then add a bunch of useless, high-false-negative DNSBLs with trivially low scores just

Re: [mailop] How many more RBL's do we really need?

2016-08-30 Thread Dave Warren
On Tue, Aug 30, 2016, at 15:22, Michael Peddemors wrote: > On 16-08-30 12:43 PM, Michael Wise via mailop wrote: > > We could use one to call out the location of colo servers that should never > > be connecting on port 443, for instance. > > Um, I can think of a reason why that might not be perfec

Re: [mailop] Spamcop Contact

2016-09-01 Thread Dave Warren
On Thu, Sep 1, 2016, at 02:16, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > I used to discuss issues on their NNTP Server: > > news://news.spamcop.net/ > > But it is down at the moment (or has it been put out of service? I > haven't connected for a long time) http://forum.spamcop.net/topic/14438-spamcop-groups-on-g

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 06:17, Benoit Panizzon wrote: <...> > Unfortunately that redirector service is run by cloudflare. So the > complaints reach the cloudflare abuse desk. And their usual reply is: > > We accept the following kinds of reports: > > Copyright infringement & DMCA violations >

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 21:44, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 8:52 PM, Dave Warren > wrote: >> They >> can yell and scream all they want about not being a host, but >> they also >> advertise that "CloudFlare will serve your website's s

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 22:04, Aaron C. de Bruyn wrote: > You're the one who said "CloudFlare will serve your website's static > pages from our cache...that falls into my definition of being a host, > even if it's only short term". So will your browser. /nitpick There is a difference: CloudFlare

Re: [mailop] Cloudflare not taking actions agains spamers?

2016-09-05 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Sep 5, 2016, at 23:41, Benoit Panizzon wrote: > At least they could forward all spam complaints they receive to the > hoster of the origin on the content. But in my observation, they don't > do that. Truthfully, forwarding complaints is a bit of a messy business as this could easily forwar

Re: [mailop] Listbomb issue

2016-10-20 Thread Dave Warren
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016, at 13:27, Vick Khera wrote: > 1) Is the remote IP listed in CBL? Yes -> force CAPTCHA > 2) Is the remote IP listed in CleanTalk.org/blacklists? Yes -> force > CAPTCHA > 3) Is the remote IP listed in minFraud open proxies? Yes -> force CAPTCHA > > Then proceed with the normal

Re: [mailop] SORBS help

2017-01-08 Thread Dave Warren
On Sun, Jan 8, 2017, at 17:53, Jay Hennigan wrote: > Having a bad credit score is 100% of your problem if you can't get a > loan, and 99% of the time your bad credit score isn't the fault of the > credit bureau. You earned that bad credit score (or RBL listing). This is a good analogy though, as

Re: [mailop] Odd spamcop glitch

2017-01-23 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017, at 17:57, valdis.kletni...@vt.edu wrote: > On 23 Jan 2017 21:30:20 +, "John Levine" said: > > > That led to great merriment, since that's Blue State Digital and mail > > from mainstream political groups went into spamtraps that tested the > > URLs, some of which were "Cli

Re: [mailop] Forwarding issues, was Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-02-09 12:25, John Levine wrote: I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. Bad reason: setting up POP collection takes two

Re: [mailop] Mails to microsoft

2017-02-09 Thread Dave Warren
On 2017-02-09 01:16, Paul Smith wrote: I never understand why users won't just collect mail from the 'proper' mail server rather than having to forward it all to gmail/hotmail. A large portion of our support issues are to do with this forwarding. In my experience, it's because Gmail/Hotmail/wha

Re: [mailop] Spammers mining SPF records (of all things)

2017-03-11 Thread Dave Warren
On Sat, Mar 11, 2017, at 16:19, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 10:52:21AM +0800, ComKal Networks wrote: > > I have noticed the scrapping of whois and dns records > > appears to have increased dramatically over the past > > 2 years. > > Both of those are poor sources of email addres

Re: [mailop] Google rejects a TLS connection saying it needs TLS...

2017-03-16 Thread Dave Warren
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017, at 07:37, Paul Smith wrote: > On 16/03/2017 14:18, Kevin Huxham wrote: >> they probably sell fax machines. > > Their response is a bit like someone sending them credit card details > on a postcard, and them tearing it up (because you shouldn't send > confidential informa

Re: [mailop] conventional wisdom, was Google rejects a TLS connection

2017-03-17 Thread Dave Warren
On Thu, Mar 16, 2017, at 17:38, John Levine wrote: > In article > <1489684655.3176120.913642288.0d732...@webmail.messagingengine.com> you > write: > >You can make a rule against sending credit cards by email, but if > >customer service reps know it works they might still encourage a > >customer to

Re: [mailop] LOUDMOUTHS WANTED!! ICANN WHOIS Replacement Work URGENT IMPORTANT ACTION NEEDED

2017-03-26 Thread Dave Warren
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017, at 13:03, Norbert Bollow wrote: > On 26 Mar 2017 00:20:17 - > "John Levine" wrote: > > > Of course. But the fraction of domains registered by natural people > > is quite low. And, of course, the claim that you need your own second > > level domain to communicate on the

Re: [mailop] LOUDMOUTHS WANTED!! ICANN WHOIS Replacement Work URGENT IMPORTANT ACTION NEEDED

2017-03-26 Thread Dave Warren
On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, at 13:34, Neil Schwartzman wrote: > *PLEASE JOIN THE ICANN GROUP* and help us fight back against people > who are fighting *in favour* of crime. Please also take the time to understand that your needs are not my needs. I would be in favour of a WHOIS system that doesn't exp

Re: [mailop] LOUDMOUTHS WANTED!! ICANN WHOIS Replacement Work URGENT IMPORTANT ACTION NEEDED

2017-03-26 Thread Dave Warren
On Sun, Mar 26, 2017, at 13:58, John Levine wrote: > In article <20170326220333.3c517c48@quill> you write: > >If I want to be able to give people information for being able to > >contact me via the Internet, so that I can have a reasonable expectation > >of being able to make sure that this will st

[mailop] AWeber DKIM

2017-03-30 Thread Dave Warren
Howdy! We push a DMARC reject policy for our clients unless they have a need to do otherwise, especially for new projects/domains, so that we can proactively help clients move toward authenticating all mail as they add external services rather than building an ongoing technical debt of unknown send

Re: [mailop] AWeber DKIM

2017-03-31 Thread Dave Warren
On Fri, Mar 31, 2017, at 05:15, Vick Khera wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Dave Warren > wrote: >> I'm feeling like the rep has absolutely no idea what DKIM is >> or how it >> works. As I don't have access to an AWeber account, can anyone >

Re: [mailop] Do we need a new list for reporting spam? (Was Re: Admin: This is not a place to report Spam. )

2017-04-10 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, Apr 10, 2017, at 09:15, Laura Atkins wrote: > >> On Apr 9, 2017, at 11:00 AM, Jim Popovitch wrote: >> >> On Apr 9, 2017 13:07, "Anne P. Mitchell, Esq." >> wrote: >>> This brings up a good point...back in 'the day' folks would report >>> spam on NANAE; is there a managed, moderated m

Re: [mailop] Come on protection.outlook.com, don't send me messages even you think are SPAM

2017-05-04 Thread Dave Warren
On Mon, May 1, 2017, at 22:07, Carl Byington wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA512 > > On Sat, 2017-04-29 at 00:01 -0700, Mark Milhollan wrote: > > But some have an X-Forefront-Antispam-Report header with SFV:SPM which > > has been said is their indicator of a message they con

Re: [mailop] Anyone on this list from SpamCop?

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-06 10:12, Anne P. Mitchell Esq. wrote: Also URLs in mail headers, which is perhaps reasonable, except that ...many ESPs now put unsub URLs in the headers. Are the results any more harmful than the same unsub URL in the foot (or otherwise in the visible body of the message)?

Re: [mailop] Invalid address ratio?

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-02 10:47, Chris wrote: On Fri, 02 Feb 2018 16:52:16 + Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: On Fri, 2018-02-02 at 17:26 +0100, Chris wrote: I'm a bit surprised, that on a small mail server, 77 % of the rejected mails are rejected because of invalid recipient adresses. 22 % because of

Re: [mailop] Heads Up

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-02 15:18, Michelle Sullivan wrote: Charles McKean wrote: On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 9:41 AM, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: On Sat, 2018-01-20 at 11:14 +1100, Michelle Sullivan wrote: One can only conclude, they either have a leak in their API, or they altered the permissions to giv

Re: [mailop] Mail Transfer Agent Alternatives

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-05 10:27, Marc Goldman via mailop wrote: I received an email telling me I would need to pay RETROACTIVELY for the years I did NOT receive support in order to upgrade. Has anyone ever heard of a policy like that? What is cheaper, paying retroactively or buying a new license? At $DA

Re: [mailop] Anyone on this list from SpamCop?

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-06 15:49, John Levine wrote: In article <7e12d5ff-f770-b5db-f913-18dafcd03...@thedave.ca> you write: Also URLs in mail headers, which is perhaps reasonable, except that ...many ESPs now put unsub URLs in the headers. Are the results any more harmful than the same unsub URL in the

Re: [mailop] Mail Transfer Agent Alternatives

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
That seems excessive and gross. Any reason you wouldn't just buy a new license and call it a day? That actually sounds more like they accidentally hired a commissioned sales rep from a competitor. But maybe that's just me. On 2018-02-06 14:14, Marc Goldman via mailop wrote: I appreciate that

Re: [mailop] Anyone on this list from SpamCop?

2018-02-06 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-06 16:34, Laura Atkins wrote: Putting a URL in a List-Unsubscribe header is an entirely reasonable thing to do, and lots of ESPs do it. Lots of non-ESPs do it, too. Heck, I do it for virtually all automated messages, even on some internal stuff, basically anything that is automat

Re: [mailop] Extreme amounts of SMTP auth from microsoft/outlook IPs

2018-02-09 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2018-02-09 14:20, John Levine wrote: In article you write: I'm confused, the first post said valid credentials, is that what everyone else is seeing? Nearly all valid creds seems weirder than mostly invalid... modulo whatever amount of hijacked or reused creds there are. Remember that Ou

Re: [mailop] Gmail Vacation responder replying to spam?

2019-05-11 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
Looks good from what I can see from here, thanks! On 2019-05-07 12:31, Brandon Long via mailop wrote: This should be fixed now. Brandon *From: *Dave Warren mailto:d...@thedave.ca>> *Date: *Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 4:40 PM *To: * mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> __ Thanks, s

Re: [mailop] Microsoft Outlook "Modern Authentication"?

2020-06-17 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
A bit late, sorry. On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, at 04:55, Ken O'Driscoll via mailop wrote: > On Thu, 2020-05-28 at 13:35 -0600, Daniele Nicolodi via mailop wrote: >> Does anyone know if there is any alternative to Outlook to access >> >> Exchange Online mailboxes that require modern authentication? > >

Re: [mailop] This is..Concerning: DatabaseUSA Wins Case Against The Spamhaus Project

2020-08-03 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2020-08-03 17:39, Jerry Cloe via mailop wrote: It could also be argued as case law against other blacklist providers. As I understand US law, defaults do not provide any form of precedent or other form of useful case law. There might well be exceptions, of course. ___

Re: [mailop] [E] Google bounce after accept

2020-10-31 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2020-10-30 08:25, Marcel Becker via mailop wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 1:11 AM Atro Tossavainen via mailop mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote: Why does Google bounce after accepting a message? At Google's scale, the potential to become the world's biggest spammer simply through

Re: [mailop] open RBL and RHSBL lists these days?

2020-12-14 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On Mon, Dec 14, 2020, at 11:32, Mark E. Jeftovic via mailop wrote: > Hey all, we're looking to deploy some user-configurable options in our mail > filtering such as being able to select which RBLs and RHSBLs they want to > apply to their inbound messages. > We already subscribe to some on a syst

Re: [mailop] [E] Re: Some Days I think that Gmail isn't even trying to stop outbound spam..

2021-02-08 Thread Dave Warren via mailop
On 2021-02-08 15:03, Richard Bewley via mailop wrote: Only this weekend I was trying to help an old colleague with a migration from Gsuite to M365. The #1 complaint... was some of his minions were seemingly crippled by the lack of this function.. and I was thinking err aliases? Aliases?

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