OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread sadam . lists
Hi all, I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how stable the current release is? If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel free to reach out. Thanks in advance, Sadam Ahmed Sent from my iPhone -- -- You received this message because you

Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

2015-08-06 Thread Chris
Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can access your matched content from the "My Music" section. On 06/08/2015 07:44, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Begin forwarded message: From: Kawal Gucukoglu Date: 6 August 2015 7:42:11 am BST To: "macvisionaries@googlegroups.com" Subject:

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Chris
VO-m-m or control-f8. On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote: Folks, forgive my ignorance. I am drawing a blank on the keystroke to get me into menu extras. Thanks much Pam Francis -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To un

clean my mac helper does not work.

2015-08-06 Thread Anders Holmberg
Hi! I don’t know if someone has a sollution but i was running clean my mac helper but there seems to be no windows opened. I can’t drag the voiceover pointer there either. Not even the mouse pointer. I have tried the windows choocer and also the programs choocer with no luck. Any thoughts? Thanks.

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in > On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread sadam . lists
Ray, I'm not asking for specifics. Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. The question was quite broad. Don't think it breaks NDA. Sent from my iPhone -- > On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > > Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta fi

Re: [Virus Error] Mac software to "freeze" the system

2015-08-06 Thread Chris
Hi I have noticed this too, I am using iCloud Mail so am wondering if their junk filtr is flagging certain messages as viruses yet they are coming to my inbox? I will do a full scan of my PC to make sure I am not really infected though. On 05/08/2015 22:36, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Chris. Th

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Pamela Francis
I certainly appreciate that folks. I feel like an idiot. For whatever reason, I drew a complete blank. No, not having a stroke. Just a senior moment. :-) Pam Francis On Aug 6, 2015, at 3:13 AM, Chris wrote: VO-m-m or control-f8. > On 06/08/2015 06:33, Pamela Francis wrote: > Folks, forgive m

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Ray Foret Jr
With respect, I disagree. You did ask for something to specific to discuss with you either privately or otherwise. To ask how stable a beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is not something I for one am willing to go in to. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Pam, there are a few ways this can be done. Vo+M, followed by a second vo+M will do it. If you'd like to get their more directly though, then just simply press ctrl+F8. Here are two more you may find useful... Ctrl+F2 is the same as pressing vo+M one time to get to the menu bar. And ctrl

Re: I Tunes Match.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Actually, I was wonderring identically the same thing, only if you didn't! have match, what would happen, if anything? would I have to then rip the CD on each one of my macs? Not that this is an issue at all, if so, but just am curious. Chris. - Original Message - From: Kawal Guc

Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Chris, I do have Apple Music, obviously, but not Match. So, do you know how that would then work? Chris. - Original Message - From: "Chris" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 4:11 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match. Hi yes it does, with an Apple Music subscription you can acce

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I just want to clarify something Chris said here which has confused a lot of my students. When we say Vo+M M, we don't mean hold the voiceover keys down: ctrl+option, while hitting the letter M, release all 3 keys, then hit the letter m all by itself. That won't do it. This is why I never s

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Ray, I highly doubt the others care. I've tried beating this in their head for months now. Frankly, I'm through with trying. LOL! I agree totally with you though. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: Mac Visionaries List Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:23 A

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
OK, yes, it's stable. There. I won't say more though. Chris. - Original Message - From: sadam.li...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:39 AM Subject: Re: OS X beta. Ray, I'm not asking for specifics. Only gauging th

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Don't feel stupid! It's quite OK. It happens to the best of us! I'm glad that we all could assist. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Pamela Francis" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 5:55 AM Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke I certainly appreciate that folks. I feel like an

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I'm willing to say that yes, it's stable enough to run, but really, that's all I can say. I agree with Ray. That's kind of a grey area. I can see both sides. Chris. - Original Message - From: Ray Foret Jr To: Mac Visionaries List Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:30 AM Su

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Sadam Ahmed
So, where in my message am I going into specifics? Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of issues. That would suffice. With Best regards, Sadam Ahmed Diploma of International Business candidate RMIT University Blog: Http://www.SadamAhmed.com Sent usin

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics. He just wanted a general yes, or no. I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may not really

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread E.T.
In the first place, asking if beta software is stable is an oxymoron. If stability is a concern, I would wait for the final release. From E.T.'s Keyboard... ancient.ali...@icloud.com Many believe that we have been visited in the past. What if it were true? On 8/6/2015 6:21 AM, Sadam Ahmed

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Les Kriegler
Okay, a question here. If this is a public beta, then why can’t questions be asked? If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then I could understand. But if Apple is now going public with their betas, then I would think this is open for discussion. Now, if Im confusing the public beta

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Joe Quinn
The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to have a developer account. Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still applies. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Okay, a question here. If this is a public beta, then why can’t

RE: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Debbie April Yuille
Hi Sadam Personally, I would recommend making a full iTunes back of your phone and then you have the option to restore if you find the beta to be too unstable for your general use. Or, if you have more than one iDevice, I’d use the secondary device for the betas. HTH Debbie From: macvi

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yup, sure does. Chris. - Original Message - From: Joe Quinn To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:22 AM Subject: Re: OS X beta. The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to have a developer account. Thus m

Re: [Virus Error] Mac software to "freeze" the system

2015-08-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, There is DeepFreeze for the Mac that will do what you're asking. Not sure of it's accessibility as we no longer use it in our facilities. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On Aug 5, 2015, at 13:10, Chris wrote: Hi all Not sure if this is a good enough subject, does anybody k

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Les Kriegler
Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn wrote: > > The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" to > have a

iCloud Drive

2015-08-06 Thread Traci Duncan
Ok, it is becoming more & more clear to me, that I need to switch over to iCloud drive. If I do this, I need to update my Macbook Air Mid 2011 to Yosemity. I have been reluctant, because I thought I have read on here there was some VoiceOver sluggishness. Before, I take the very late plunge…

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Joe Quinn
as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact

Re: iCloud Drive

2015-08-06 Thread Daniel Miller
Hi Tracy, No, Voiceover works perfectly fine in Yosemite. In fact, starting in 10.10.2, they made improvements to responsiveness as opposed to earlier operating systems. You should be fine to upgrade. > On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Traci Duncan wrote: > > Ok, it is becoming more & more clear

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Les Kriegler
Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS X, that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn wrote: > > as I'v

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Joe Quinn
really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :( Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple > does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS > X, that actually

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Daniel Miller
What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been publicly divulged to be discussed. *sighs* here we go, again. > On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Joe Quinn wrote: > > really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :( > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les

Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

2015-08-06 Thread Garry Turkington
Hi, Has anyone spent time with the new 12" MacBook? If so how are you finding the keyboard? Playing with one in the Apple Store I found it really difficult to use -- the keys are a good size but there is very little space between them and I was finding it actually a little hard to always detect

Re: Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

2015-08-06 Thread Matthew Dierckens
Hi Gary, I've seen the new 12 inch macbook, I've typed on it for a long period of time, and I didn't like the experience too much. I too had trouble locating th God bless.e keys, and found that I still had to stop and count keys as they were too close together. Matthew Dierckens Certified Assist

Re: Keyboard on new 12" MacBook

2015-08-06 Thread Alex Hall
That was my initial impression as well; the keys are nice and big, but you can't feel the edges. Perhaps with some reference dots it'd be doable, but I'm not sure. My first thought was something like, "I could love this keyboard if only I could feel the keys better." I'm sure it looks visually w

Deleting email messages twice?

2015-08-06 Thread Matthew Dierckens
Hi guys, Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason. When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Diddo. Chris. - Original Message - From: Joe Quinn To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM Subject: Re: OS X beta. as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
I've not seen anything stating one could be discussed but not the other. I'm not sure where you're getting that impression. Chris. - Original Message - From: Joe Quinn To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:03 PM Subject: Re: OS X beta. rea

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Yeah... I kind a wondered that same thing. Chris. - Original Message - From: Daniel Miller To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 1:14 PM Subject: Re: OS X beta. What are you talking about? They don’t allow anything that hasn’t been publicly

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Sunshine
I agree with the person that stated a public beta is a public beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to discuss it with out havint to worry ab

RE: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread george b
Chris are you some kind of loney person They ask on this list not to answer with one liners, but I gess you think one words are ok to fill up peoples in boxes From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland Sent: Thursda

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Chris
Ok, so you press and hold the VO keys down, then press m twice, keeping the VO keys held down. On 06/08/2015 14:07, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: I just want to clarify something Chris said here which has confused a lot of my students. When we say Vo+M M, we don't mean hold the voiceover key

Re: Fwd: I Tunes Match.

2015-08-06 Thread Chris
You would probably have to subscribe to Match as well then. I don't know because I already have a subscription. On 06/08/2015 14:04, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: Chris, I do have Apple Music, obviously, but not Match. So, do you know how that would then work? Chris. - Original Messag

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Look, If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the face, but what should and what is are two t

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Les Kriegler
I've worked under NDA agreements. Any Indiana ever doubt with I had to sign. Are you saying the people participate in the Public Beta sign an agreement. If they do, then I understand what you were talking about if they don't, then an NDA doesn't apply. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Shaf
Who cares about a NDA? Especially if the internet's already talking about it. On 8/6/2015 8:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler wrote: > Look, If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, > whether or not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally > bound by the NDA. So we can discus

RE: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread george b
Can't we stop this conversation please my deleate finger is getting sore for non sense Please thanks -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shaf Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:40 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread sadam . lists
Exactly. If I was asking about features like VO etc I might be possibly breaking this so called NDA. Sent from my iPhone -- > On 6 Aug 2015, at 11:49 pm, Christopher-Mark Gilland > wrote: > > I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam. It's not like > he's asking for

Re: Menu extras keystroke

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
Wasn't trying to step on your toes, Chris. I was only clarifying. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Chris" To: Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Menu extras keystroke Ok, so you press and hold the VO keys down, then press m twice, keeping the VO keys held down

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland
You don't sign it with handwriting, but yes, you do check a box saying I agree to the terms, and to be bound by them. It may be electronic, but, who cares! You still have binded yourself into the agreement. Chris. - Original Message - From: "Les Kriegler" To: Sent: Thursday, Augus

Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

2015-08-06 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hello Folks, Please forgive me if this was recently discussed, but I can’t find the emails in the subject line in my inbox on the computer. I just deleted some files that were on an external disk of about 90 GB. When I go to the disk utility, it still states that the drive is minused the 90 GB

Re: Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

2015-08-06 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi, Did you empty the trash after deleting the files? If not, then the space is not freed up. If you deleted the items while using a different machine, you must empty the trash or recycler on that machine first as you can't empty the trash that was created from a different machine or user. H

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Les Kriegler
OK, but how many people that are now in the public program really understand that. No wonder it's talked about so much on the Internet. Listen, Apple made the bed on this one, and they can deal with the consequences. I'm not going to make any further comments on this one. Sent from my iPhone >

Re: Capturing Back GB After Deleting Files From An External Hard Drive

2015-08-06 Thread Eileen Misrahi
Hi Tim, Thanks for the missing link. I didn’t do that at first, but completed emptying the trash and now I have recovered all of the missing GBs. Thanks again. I’ll have to remember the last step when I need to recover lost space in the future. Best, Eileen > On Aug 6, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Ti

Re: Deleting email messages twice?

2015-08-06 Thread jeff `greene
Hi, going to mail settings preferences and under accounts to say account and then hit mailbox activities cab. Under there that should be a checkbox that says something about keep deleted messages on the server uncheck that and then hit OK you should be all set. Hope this helps Jeffx  Sent from

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Devin Prater
Simple. Because not everyone has it. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler wrote: > > Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something > available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 6, 201

Re: Deleting email messages twice?

2015-08-06 Thread Matthew Dierckens
Thanks Jeff. I wasn't sure where it was. God bless. Matthew Dierckens Certified Assistive Technology Specialist Macintosh, Windows and IOS Trainer U.S. number: 573-401-1018 Personal Email: matt.dierck...@me.com On Aug 6, 2015, at 17:23, jeff `greene wrote: Hi, going to mail settings preference

Re: Deleting email messages twice?

2015-08-06 Thread Sean Murphy
Hi, I have all the necessary settings for the deleting option set and I find the messages delete from Mac Mail. But still appear on the iPhone. If you do it the other way, it seems to work. This is Gmail of course. Also sending Gmail messages take for ever to be send. When I look at the sent fo

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Got news for y'all. public beta or not, it cannot be discussed. That's Apple's policy. Just deal with it. IF you really want to know, sign up for their public beta program and find out. Y'all are really something else. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wi

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Ray Foret Jr
I totally agree. Tell me, what part of "no discussion" do y'all not understand? Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user! Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in > On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:2

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread Littlefield, Tyler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Did you have to check a "constantly barefooted" box on the NDA agreement as well? On 8/6/2015 6:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Got news for y'all. public beta or not, it cannot be discussed. > That's Apple's policy. Just deal with it. IF you really wa

Re: OS X beta.

2015-08-06 Thread CJ Daniel
Careful George, You’ll set him off again…for the umteenth time. I mean after all, when I posted this msg this thread was up to a count of 38. Oh, and about a dozen of those were from He whom shall not be mentioned. Sort of ridiculous, CJ > On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:11 PM, george b wrote: >

Re: Text boxes in Pages?

2015-08-06 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi all, Alex, I don’t think the issue you were having is a beta thing. I’ve noticed it as well and I’m not running any beta. It might, however, have something to do with the VoiceOver setting to play tones instead of announcing links. When I’m navigating through a Pages document using the down

Re: productive calender app on mac or ios?

2015-08-06 Thread Nicholas Parsons
I use the Calendar on Mac. I launch Calendar with the keyboard commander, press command-n to create a new event, and then type in the event details in natural language and press return. Fantastical is another option I’ve played with which is even faster – it sits in the menu bar and can be trigg

Re: Text boxes in Pages?

2015-08-06 Thread Alex Hall
That makes sense, thanks. Yes, I use tones, and that may well be throwing me off. I understand, too, what Anne was saying; you don't have to *select* the text, you just move to it and it is selected for you. AppleScript is certainly an interesting idea I'll have to look into further--I never tho

help with wordpress

2015-08-06 Thread Laura Bratton
Hi all, Does anyone have helpful resources for learning how to use wordpress with vo? I have administrative access to a wordpress website where I will need to update the content. So if anyone could give helpful resources or tips that would be great. Thank you, Laura -- You received this messa

Re: I Tunes Match.

2015-08-06 Thread Terje Strømberg
Do you know if the quality of ripped cd’s alac apple lossles audio codec is downgraded to 256kbs aac ? I have read this somewhere, but not confirmed by apple. If there is a way to not upload ripped cd’s alac quality and still use it on mac within apple music playlists on that mac within the same