Got news for y'all.  public beta or not, it cannot be discussed.  That's 
Apple's policy.  Just deal with it.  IF you really want to know, sign up for 
their public beta program and find out.  Y'all are really something else.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

Sent from my Mac,
the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in

> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Sunshine <sunsh...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public beta, so that 
> a person should be able to discuss the public beta of osx and the like why 
> make it a public beta if they want nda as well, public beta means that public 
> beta you should be able to discuss it with out havint to worry about things 
> so public beta means no nda.
> 
> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Diddo.
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joe Quinn <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>
>> To:  <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>> 
>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
>> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. 
>> The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
>> questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, 
>> contact them about it. :( 
>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
>> of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
>> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
>> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
>> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe       
>>         they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler < 
>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>kriegle...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
>>> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn < 
>>> <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>jdawg1...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
>>>> to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
>>>> applies.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler < 
>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>kriegle...@gmail.com 
>>>> <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
>>>>> questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then 
>>>>> I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, 
>>>>> then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the 
>>>>> public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland < 
>>>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>clgillan...@gmail.com 
>>>>>> <mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with                      
>>>>>>              Sadam.  It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just 
>>>>>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>>>>>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
>>>>>> not really be as concerned about.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>>>>>> being debilitating.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: Sadam Ahmed <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To:  
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>>>>> <mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com>
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
>>>>>>> issues. That would suffice. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With Best regards,     
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RMIT University 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Blog: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com <http://www.sadamahmed.com/> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr < 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
>>>>>>>> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
>>>>>>>> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is 
>>>>>>>> not something I for one am willing to go in to.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>>>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM,  
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ray, 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The question was quite broad. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr < 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>rforet7...@comcast.net 
>>>>>>>>> <mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>>>>>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM,  
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com>sadam.li...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:sadam.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how 
>>>>>>>>>>> stable the current release is? 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
>>>>>>>>>>> free to reach out. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
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