I totally agree.  Tell me, what part of "no discussion" do y'all not understand?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray

Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!

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> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:20 PM, Littlefield, Tyler <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Look,
> If you agree to a NDA in any form before getting a beta, whether or
> not you understand it or agree with it, you are legally bound by the
> NDA. So we can discuss what should happen until we're blue in the
> face, but what should and what is are two totally different things. So
> if the NDA says no discussion, guess what that means? No discussion!
> 
> On 8/6/2015 3:09 PM, Sunshine wrote:
>> I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
>> beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta of
>> osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
>> well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
>> discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
>> means no nda.
>> 
>> On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Diddo.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Joe Quinn
>>> <mailto:[email protected]> *To:* 
>>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>> 
>>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, 
>>> so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my original reply 
>>> below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say different is
>>> that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e Apple or their 
>>> policies in reguards to beta software, contact them about it. :(
>>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all 
>>> that. in spite of it being public, ya still can't talk about it 
>>> publically. now if something's released about IOS 9 from apple, 
>>> then it can be discussed. I think that's the same for things 
>>> that're released elsewhere. for instance cool blind tech did an 
>>> overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they
>>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
>>>> make something available to everybody and then swear everybody
>>>> to secrecy.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn 
>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no 
>>>>> longer "need" to have a developer account.  Thus making it a 
>>>>> "public" beta. NDA still applies.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler 
>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why 
>>>>>> can’t questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it 
>>>>>> wasn’t public, then I could understand.  But if Apple is
>>>>>> now going public with their betas, then I would think this
>>>>>> is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the public
>>>>>> beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Les
>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with
>>>>>>> Sadam. It's not like he's asking for specifics.  He just
>>>>>>> wanted a general yes, or no.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, 
>>>>>>> admittedly, this is kind of a grey area, as what one may
>>>>>>> think is unstable, someone else may not really be as
>>>>>>> concerned about.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to
>>>>>>> install, for what it's worth.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to
>>>>>>> the point of being debilitating.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Sadam Ahmed
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]> *To:*
>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are
>>>>>>>> a couple of issues. That would suffice.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With Best regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Diploma of International Business candidate
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> RMIT University
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Blog:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com <http://www.sadamahmed.com/>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something
>>>>>>>>> to specific to discuss with you either privately or
>>>>>>>>> otherwise. To ask how stable a beta OS is something
>>>>>>>>> that touches on a degree of specifity which is not
>>>>>>>>> something I for one am willing to go in to.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and
>>>>>>>>> Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full
>>>>>>>>> accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM,
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Ray,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not asking for specifics.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my
>>>>>>>>>> Mac.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The question was quite broad.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Don't think it breaks NDA.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr 
>>>>>>>>>> <<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> beta findings here.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and
>>>>>>>>>>> Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full
>>>>>>>>>>> accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM,
>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to install the current beta and am
>>>>>>>>>>>> wondering how stable the current release is?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to make contact off the list
>>>>>>>>>>>> regarding this feel free to reach out.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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