really, that I didn't know. That's bad then. :(

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> On Aug 6, 2015, at 11:47 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, it really doesn't matter to me. I really could care less what Apple 
> does. But the fact that they will allow iOS nine to be discussed and not OS 
> X, that actually reinforces my opinion. Just my two cents worth.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 12:24 PM, Joe Quinn <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact question, so, rather 
>> than reply again, I'll just put my original reply below. It still stands. 
>> The only thing I'll say different is that if ya don't like, or have 
>> questions about,e Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, 
>> contact them about it. :( 
>> it may not make sense, but that's the way it is. NDA, and all that. in spite 
>> of it being public, ya still can't talk about it publically. now if 
>> something's released about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I 
>> think that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for instance 
>> cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be in iOS 9. maybe they 
>> shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but they did.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you make something 
>>> available to everybody and then swear everybody to secrecy.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Joe Quinn <jdawg1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The only thing that has changed in the betas is that you no longer "need" 
>>>> to have a developer account.  Thus making it a "public" beta. NDA still 
>>>> applies.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Okay, a question here.  If this is a public beta, then why can’t 
>>>>> questions be asked?  If it’s as it was before and it wasn’t public, then 
>>>>> I could understand.  But if Apple is now going public with their betas, 
>>>>> then I would think this is open for discussion.  Now, if Im confusing the 
>>>>> public beta with OS 9, then I apologize for the question.  Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Les
>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 9:49 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>>> <clgillan...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have to say in this particular case, I agree with Sadam.  It's not 
>>>>>> like he's asking for specifics.  He just wanted a general yes, or no.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> I guess the only agreement with Ray I would have is, admittedly, this is 
>>>>>> kind of a grey area, as what one may think is unstable, someone else may 
>>>>>> not really be as concerned about.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Over all though, yes, Sadam, I think it's safe to install, for what it's 
>>>>>> worth.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Yeah, there are some issues, but I don't think they're to the point of 
>>>>>> being debilitating.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>> Chris.
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>>>> From: Sadam Ahmed
>>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 9:21 AM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: OS X beta.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So, where in my message am I going into specifics? 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes it’s stable at this time. Or no hold off there are a couple of 
>>>>>>> issues. That would suffice. 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> With Best regards,     
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Diploma of International Business candidate 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RMIT University 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Blog: 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Http://www.SadamAhmed.com 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent using OS X Mail 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 9:30 pm, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> With respect, I disagree.  You did ask for something to specific to 
>>>>>>>> discuss with you either privately or otherwise.  To ask how stable a 
>>>>>>>> beta OS is something that touches on a degree of specifity which is 
>>>>>>>> not something I for one am willing to go in to.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>>>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 4:39 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Ray, 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not asking for specifics. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Only gauging the suitability of putting this on my Mac. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The question was quite broad. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Don't think it breaks NDA. 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 6 Aug 2015, at 7:23 pm, Ray Foret Jr <rforet7...@comcast.net> 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Let me gentally remind you that we cannot discuss beta findings here.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my Mac,
>>>>>>>>>> the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:40 AM, sadam.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all, 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to install the current beta and am wondering how 
>>>>>>>>>>> stable the current release is? 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you would like to make contact off the list regarding this feel 
>>>>>>>>>>> free to reach out. 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance, 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sadam Ahmed 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone 
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