Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-23 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Jessica, The steps are a little complicated and depend on what device etcetera you have and other settings. It also depends on how you have your gMail account set up (e.g. as a gMail account, an IMAP account or a Microsoft Exchange account—all are possible on iOS). If you go to Mail, Contacts

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread Brian Fischler
Thanks Nick. Hopefully I am not the only one who feels like their head is going to explode over something as basic as email. On Jan 22, 2014, at 12:18 AM, Nicholas Parsons wrote: > Just to add a few points… > I believe that if you deleted messages in your Sent mailbox that these > messages wou

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread Jessica D
it depends on what i have near me. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Nicholas Parsons > wrote: > > Jessica, > Are you using Mail on a Mac or on an iOS device? > Nic > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group.

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Jessica, Are you using Mail on a Mac or on an iOS device? Nic -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To p

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread Jessica D
how do i tell messages i have deleted to go to the deleted messages folder, not trash? also, how do i change when messages get auto deleted? i have gone through all mail preferences and do not see the settings others say exist. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Nicholas Parsons

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread Nicholas Parsons
HI Christina, Those settings for automatically deleting sent messages can be found in the Accounts Tab of Mail Preferences, once you select the relevant mail account and then select the Account Behaviours tab. I used to have this set to delete sent messages after one month, but I ended up changi

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread David Chittenden
All messages in the all mail box appear in which ever mailbox they have The indexing label for. If the indexing label is not properly detected by Apple Mail, the message appears in the inbox. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone >

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread David Chittenden
I believe that setting you are thinking of is in Gmail. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 13:06, "Christina C." wrote: > > There is a setting i use to automatically delete messages in my sent > folder/labe

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-22 Thread David Chittenden
Almost nobody is average. Most people fall somewhere on the curve either above or below the mean. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 12:38, Brian Fischler wrote: > > I take it you aren’t implying all blind

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Just to add a few points… I believe that if you deleted messages in your Sent mailbox that these messages would actually be deleted, and would not still be found in All Mail. Although the Sent mailbox is just a label, deleting a message with the Sent label would remove the Sent label, apply the

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Teresa Cochran
I was under the impression that hiding the Gmail All Mail folder in Mavericks Mail causes all messages to reappear in the Inbox. Is this not the case? Teresa On the other hand, there are different fingers. On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:54 AM, David Chittenden wrote: > Yes, the all mail folder can be

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Christina C.
There is a setting i use to automatically delete messages in my sent folder/label after 30 days. I am sure this setting is in apple mail but I cannot remember if it is also in gmail. It seems like I remember this setting in gmail. This is how I keep my sent folder from growing so large. :) I do

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
I take it you aren’t implying all blind people are average, as I have yet to meet a blind person who can fully use google and all of there native apps with VoiceOVer On Jan 21, 2014, at 5:20 PM, David Chittenden wrote: > Actually, Google is an excellent research company. Outside of universities

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi David, Thanks for fielding all these messages about Gmail. You beat me to the punch most of the time and explained everything excellently. Just to comment on this message about the busy, busy stuff in the latest Mail, I’m confident that you could upgrade to this and not be extremely frust

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Actually, Google is an excellent research company. Outside of universities, Google hires more PhD's and researchers then any other private company. The problems are: because they have mainly very geeky people, they are not good at writing basic level user interfaces, and Devices the research wor

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Oh, by the way, the busy busy issue with Mac Mail indexing all of the Gmail messages is why I do all of my email on my iPhone. After I have cleared out all of the extra email messages, I will try Mac mail again. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Se

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Yes, deleting sent messages is deleting the messages that you have written and sent to other people. Again, if your Gmail preferences are set to archive, your sent messages will then be archived rather than deleted. At least, this is how I understand the way sent messages works. This specific si

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
014 12:36 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still > > Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail > actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. > It is difficult to under

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
t; Eileen > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:14 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still &

RE: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Eileen Misrahi
? Thanks. Cheers, Eileen -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:14 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

RE: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Eileen Misrahi
aries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:36 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey David, One last question. I left a message for the guy I spoke to at Apple, hopefully he will call me back. Anyway, I just noticed in Mac mail in my sent folder there are 14000 messages. Can I delete all of these, will this help? I assume since I am not deleting anything from the All mail fo

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey David, Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out, and yes, it makes much more sense to me now. I guess what I need to do is follow the steps Mac World is suggesting, unless mail continues to work as good as it is now. On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:36 PM, David Chittenden wrote: > Look at how

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Thanks for letting me know the Google issues are not just with Apple. I am an Apple loyalist, but assumed the Gmail issues and screen reader were just with Apple. I am noticing that all of my sent emails are also going to this ALL mail folder. I found some instructions on the web on what to do,

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech supp

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Yes, but it is not just VO. Bye had similar problems when I used Windows systems. Google regularly has problems with screenreader access. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:21, Brian Fischler wrote: > > I

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
I think it is in settings but the idiots at Google still can’t make their gmail website work with VO. I just looked at the gmail site, and I think it reverted back to the view that doesn’t work with VO, and I can’t seem to find the damn link for classic view or non html whatever it is called. Ve

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
In all honesty, I just never open the all mail folder. I prefer not to hide any folders. If I cannot find a message I need, I occasionally search in the all mail folder. In other words, I searched through every email message. My advice is, just do not open the all mail folder. If you delete mess

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is not a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately didn’t fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my gmail account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Gmail has a couple settings which are initially set in a confusing way. One of these settings is archive all mail. This is the default setting. It means, whenever an email is deleted, Gmail places the archive label on the message. For some reason, when Apple mail first sees these old messages, i

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey David, How do you hide the all mail folder? As I have labels and individual folders that I save the messages I need to save, and have never used the all mail folder, so would love to hide it if that is what is causing my issues. I also noticed that in my inbox when I move over to the column

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after the Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email problems. So, Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This is the nature of programming and bugs. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitte

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Yes, the all mail folder can be safely hidden. Every email message is given a label. When you change the emails folder, what is actually changed is the label which is assigned to the message. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone >

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread David Chittenden
Mail is archived by moving it into the archive folder. Even archived mail remains in the all mail folder. There is actually just one folder. Other folders are labels that are placed on each message. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iP

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Christina C.
I am not having any problems at all with gmail. Despite the suggestion that you not hide the all mail folder…mine is hidden from apple mail. I have no idea why, but this has not caused me any problems whatsoever. I also delete instead of archive any unwanted mail. If it’s an email I want to save

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Robert C
I dont know that yet. Matter of fact, starting Mac training today, much to learn but hope to be able to put all this to use very soon. Quote of the nanosecond . . . So, do you live around here often? Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn E-mail- gone.to.da...@gmail.com On 1/21/2014 10:01 AM, Dani

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have never upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a problem, so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the gmail problem

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Daniel Hawkins
I was wondering, how do you Archive mail on a Mac, and how to view Archive mail? Thanks! Daniel Hawkins - Posted from my Macbook Pro 2012 15in. Macbook Pro 2.3 Quad-core i7 4GB DDR3 500GB HDD Dual Boot: Windows 7 Ultimate Edition 64-bit On Jan 21, 2014, at 10:45 AM, Robert C wrote: > If you

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Robert C
If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail outside the gmail account, its gone. I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but gmail is gmail. Before I dump All Mail

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Teresa, I assume limiting the messages to 1000 in gmail affects all the messages I have saved in specific folders? Ugh, that would definitely cause me issues as at times I do have to search for old emails for work. Not sure what this all mail folder is and if it was in mac mail in Mountain L

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Nicholas, Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked at this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the heck is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years ago. Is there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some s

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-21 Thread Teresa Cochran
I’ve found Mail to be much more snappy when I went to the Gmail website and limited the number of messages to 1000. I realize that not everyone is willing or able to do this, but I was, and aside from the occasional delayed syncing issues, things are workable for me in Mail now. Teresa "The Go

Re: Severe Gmail issues in Mavericks Still

2014-01-20 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Hi Bryan, First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. I by no means an