Oh, by the way, the busy busy issue with Mac Mail indexing all of the Gmail messages is why I do all of my email on my iPhone. After I have cleared out all of the extra email messages, I will try Mac mail again.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Jan 2014, at 10:03, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hey David, One last question. I left a message for the guy I spoke to at > Apple, hopefully he will call me back. Anyway, I just noticed in Mac mail in > my sent folder there are 14000 messages. Can I delete all of these, will this > help? I assume since I am not deleting anything from the All mail folder > anything that I have labeled and put in to what I call a folder will still be > there and remain. And of course, right after I mention how good mail has been > working the busy busy issues have returned a little. >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:36 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Look at how much you are struggling with the label concept that Gmail >> actually uses. It took me a couple years to get my head around the concept. >> It is difficult to understand because it is so different from any other mail >> handling protocols I have seen. So, I am not surprised that the tech support >> person went down the wrong track. Most people do not understand what Gmail >> actually does. >> >> In point of fact, there are no folders in Gmail. There is only one folder >> called all mail. This folder contains every email message. >> >> What helped me to understand this was when I switched to the mac and learned >> about virtual folders. A virtual folder does not actually have any messages >> in it. A virtual folder is an index list of all the messages which match its >> criteria. However, when in the virtual folder, email appears and handles the >> same way that it does in any other folder. You are just manipulating the >> message in its original folder, but you are in the virtual folder. >> >> In Gmail, all folders are virtual except the all mail folder. There is only >> one copy of your message, and it is in the all mail folder. When you access >> it in any other folder, you are using a label index system to access the >> message that is actually only located in the all mail folder. If you should >> move the message from the gmail folder to a local only folder, the message >> is copied from all mail and then deleted from all mail. If you move a >> message from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains >> in the all mail folder, but its indexing label name is changed. If you copy >> a message from one gmail folder to another gmail folder, the message remains >> in the all mail folder, but it is given a second indexing label. >> >> Like I said, it is difficult to get one's head around how it works, so try >> and cut the tech support person a little slack. Even the tech support person >> is only human. Figure out how to understand mac mail's virtual mailboxes and >> the gmail system should start making more sense. Then, if you have another >> problem, you might be able to educate that tech support person on something >> which is extremely confusing. >> >> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 9:14, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well what makes it even more irksome is for the Apple rep to claim it is >>> not a gmail issue, and walk me through a ton of stuff that unfortunately >>> didn’t fix anything, so after I was off the phone with Apple, I deleted my >>> gmail account from mail, and mail worked perfectly fine. Not sure why Apple >>> can’t just admit and be honest that there is still a gmail issue. >>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:59 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Apple fixed the problems in Gmail for many of their Max. However, after >>>> the Mavericks update was released, some users still reported email >>>> problems. So, Apple continues trying to figure out what is going on. This >>>> is the nature of programming and bugs. >>>> >>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA >>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com >>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 22 Jan 2014, at 6:59, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yes, that is what I thought. Hilarious as now I only get new mail upon >>>>> quitting mail and restarting mail. Very frustrating, and I would have >>>>> never upgraded to Mavericks if I knew the gmail issue was still such a >>>>> problem, so yeah, I am pissed off at Apple for claiming they fixed the >>>>> gmail problem. Very misleading, and I guess you just can’t trust anything >>>>> you hear anymore. >>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 11:45 AM, Robert C <gone.to.da...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> If you delete mail from All Mail, you will delete everything that is in >>>>>> the inbox, deleted, drafts, sent. So if you do not move or archive mail >>>>>> outside the gmail account, its gone. >>>>>> >>>>>> I use message filters (not using Mac Mail yet, still on Windows) but >>>>>> gmail is gmail. Before I dump All Mail, I look at the sent folder to see >>>>>> what I want to archive. Then I delete mail from All Mail which takes >>>>>> care of the other mentioned folders. I do this weekly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . . >>>>>> The great majority of us are required to live a life of constant >>>>>> duplicity. Your health is bound to be affected if, day after day, you >>>>>> say the opposite of what you feel, if you grovel before what you >>>>>> dislike, and rejoice at what brings you nothing but misfortune. >>>>>> --Boris Pasternak >>>>>> Robert & Dreamer Doll ke7nwn >>>>>> E-mail- >>>>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/21/2014 7:15 AM, Brian Fischler wrote: >>>>>>> Hey Nicholas, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bingo I think you hit the problem right on the head, as I just looked >>>>>>> at this all mail folder and there are 96,000 messages in it. What the >>>>>>> heck is this folder, as I looked and there are emails I deleted years >>>>>>> ago. Is there a way to manage this folder in any settings or get some >>>>>>> sighted assistance to purge some mail on the gmail website. Where do I >>>>>>> find the activity menu to see what mail is doing? Will explore around >>>>>>> for it, but not sure where it is. Thanks, >>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:09 AM, Nicholas Parsons >>>>>>>> <mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Bryan, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> First thing, about how many messages altogether do you have in gMail? >>>>>>>> Meaning in your All Mail folder. If it's in the tens of thousands, or >>>>>>>> hundreds of thousands, then I think I know what the problem is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Second, is your All Mail folder enabled for IMAP? It should be. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I by no means an expert on this issue—I don't think anybody is. There >>>>>>>> seems to be lots of different issues and neither Apple or much of the >>>>>>>> tech community seems to really know or agree on what's going on. But >>>>>>>> what I think is happening is that Mavericks Mail has to re-download >>>>>>>> and reconfigure every message you have in gMail. Most of us have >>>>>>>> plenty of messages, easily in the tens of thousands, and some people >>>>>>>> even have hundreds of thousands. So when you launch Mail after >>>>>>>> recently installing Mavericks, if you show the activity window with >>>>>>>> command-option-0, you'll notice that Mail is busy accessing the gMail >>>>>>>> server and checking and downloading all your messages. Even for a >>>>>>>> reasonably small account this can take a long time. I left my Mac >>>>>>>> online with Mail running but nothing else for a couple of days. This >>>>>>>> seemed to allow it to get up and running. So I'd suggest you close >>>>>>>> every application and stop as many other online services as you can >>>>>>>> from operating, then just open Mail and leave >>>>>> your Mac online for a good long time. Meaning at least 24 hours. Just >>>>>> leave it, and don't do anything else with it, certainly not with Mail. >>>>>> Configure your energy preferences so your Mac doesn't go to sleep. Check >>>>>> the Mail activity every few hours to check that it's making progress. If >>>>>> it seems to have frozen, quit it and re-launch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Best of luck, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 21 Jan 2014, at 12:04 pm, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hey all, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Would love any advice from those of you not having any problems with >>>>>>>>> Gmail and Macmail. After a day and a half of everything working >>>>>>>>> fine, I had my busy busy problems again. I called Apple and spoke to >>>>>>>>> their VoiceOver people and they kept insisting that my problem wasn’t >>>>>>>>> a gmail and mac mail problem. I connected via remote session with >>>>>>>>> Apple, and the specialist was claiming my issue was caused by my >>>>>>>>> other mail account from go daddy. It took us a good hour to check >>>>>>>>> settings, and mail was constantly caught in a busy loop, after that >>>>>>>>> did nothing, I did a system repair which Apple felt would fix the >>>>>>>>> mail busy issue. I am not going to go in to the bad set of >>>>>>>>> instructions that Apple gave me for a VoiceOVer user to do a repair. >>>>>>>>> So the repair finally finishes and as soon as I launch mail, busy >>>>>>>>> busy busy. I decided to delete my gmail account from mail to see if >>>>>>>>> mail worked with just my go daddy account, and sure enough mail >>>>>>>>> worked fine, so bingo it is definitely a gmail problem. What an >>>>>> gers me so much is Apple’s claim that the fix they released in December >>>>>> fixed the gmail and mac mail issue. The whole reason I held off >>>>>> upgrading to Mavericks was because of the gmail issue. Not sure how they >>>>>> can claim the issue is fixed when it is obviously gmail causing my >>>>>> problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do have a ton of email in gmail that I keep saved in folders, but >>>>>>>>> this was never an issue with gmail and Lion. Does anyone have any >>>>>>>>> suggestions? I deleted all my trash in mac mail, and this did nothing >>>>>>>>> either. 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