On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:46:54PM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> > > when I write a article/book then I do not know for some images
> > > what kind of output (b/w - gray - color) maybe the best.
> > > No problem with current lyx, I switch to different views
> > > and decide "online" to what I wil
On Fri, Aug 16, 2002 at 04:09:47PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> If the last choice to be made boils down to either
>
> Display mode: |___| (Default|Don'tDisplay|Gs|Mono|Color)
>
> or
> o Display graphics
>
> in the graphics dialog, and we have about equal support for both,
> then let
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 11:14:35PM +0100, John Levon wrote:
> Totally ! I don't know why we have this !
For marketing reasons.
Andre'
--
Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security,
will not have, nor do they deserve, either one. (T. Jefferson)
Garst R. Reese wrote:
> Allan Rae wrote:
>
>>>Graphics dialog:
>>>
>>>Display mode: |___| (Default|Don'tDisplay|Gs|Mono|Color)
>>
>>This bit is still contraversial. Some want it to just be:
>>
>>Graphics dialog:
>> o Display graphics
>
> Only angry gerbils.
If the last choice to b
On Fri, 16 Aug 2002, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> I'm loosing track a bit of what is the concensus.
> Is it like this:
>
>
> Global prefs :
>
> Display mode: |___| (Gs|Mono|Color)
>
> o Display graphics
This bit is agreed upon (including the ordering change)
> Graphics dialog:
>
> Dis
Allan Rae wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, John Levon wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:23:19PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>>>
>>>Maybe reversing the order of the two preferences would be enough.
>>
>>Yes, you're right on this one.
>
> Woo hoo! Does this mean I are becoming a "Good UI" person?
Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, John Levon wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:23:19PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>>
>> > Even though the display mode widget will always be activated it would
>> > be good if the layout was such that a dependency wasn't implied
>> > vi
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, John Levon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:23:19PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>
> > Even though the display mode widget will always be activated it would
> > be good if the layout was such that a dependency wasn't implied
> > visually (by placement I mean).
> >
> > Maybe rev
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 04:55:12PM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> > It's pure featuritis IMHO
> Like support for Preview.sty?
Totally ! I don't know why we have this ! (actually I can understand the
\input support a lot better). But people seem to like it a lot so I
just demur on that one ...
>
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:46:54PM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> It takes more time. I have to go through the file, see which images I
We're not emacs, we're not gnumeric, and I don't see why we should be xv
either, frankly. Embed a KPart into LyX, then I am (reasonably) happy.
It's pure featu
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:23:19PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
> Even though the display mode widget will always be activated it would
> be good if the layout was such that a dependency wasn't implied
> visually (by placement I mean).
>
> Maybe reversing the order of the two preferences would be eno
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:12:57AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> >Preferences:
> >
> >[x] Do/don't display
> >
> >Display mode []
>
>
> we have: one click
> you want: two clicks
No. Amazon patents aside, it is not a matter of number of clicks, or
number of widgets. Such metrics
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:35:15PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Okay. I see. So maybe we can come a conclusive layout for the display setup:
/me boggles
This is EXACTLY what you dismissed yesterday !
> [x] Force display
Force is totally the wrong word here
regards
john
Garst R. Reese wrote:
>
> No. I look at graphics in my LyXView to determine the minimum level that
> I can put in a pdf. Having to reset my preferences to do this is a PITA.
> What we have works fine for me. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. But if
> you insist.
No, I don't insist on anything.
I'
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Rob Lahaye wrote:
Seems okay.
>
> Preferences:
>
> [x] Do/don't display
>
> Display mode []
Even though the display mode widget will always be activated it would
be good if the layout was such that a dependency wasn't
Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
> Preferences:
>
> [x] Do/don't display
>
> Display mode []
we have: one click
you want: two clicks
> Graphics:
>
> [x] Force display
>
>
>
> The "Do/don't display" and "For
Allan Rae wrote:
> Maybe you didn't read what Garst does?
Can't recall.
> FWIW, just 'cos it's in colour doesn't mean it will be printed in
> colour as some people like their LyX display to look a lot like their
Okay. I see. So maybe we can come a conclusive layout for the display setup:
-
> Maybe you didn't read what Garst does?
>
> FWIW, just 'cos it's in colour doesn't mean it will be printed in
> colour as some people like their LyX display to look a lot like their
> printouts (especially useful for foils if you get the width of the LyX
> window just right). In addition an im
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Another thought:
>
> Let's get rid of the gs/mono/color choice all together. Only implement the
> "Do not display" toggle in the prefs/graph dialogs; the rest should be dealt
> with automagically.
Automagic is the worst kind of magic. I'm sure John must
John Levon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:20:01PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
>
>>No, I haven't changed my mind :).
>
>
> Hmmph. Well if we have this we should at least have the dont display
> checkbox as separate in both cases (with the combo box enable-dependent
> upon it)
>
> (I still
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:20:01PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> No, I haven't changed my mind :).
Hmmph. Well if we have this we should at least have the dont display
checkbox as separate in both cases (with the combo box enable-dependent
upon it)
(I still not sure how I'm going to even implement
John Levon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 11:15:25AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
>
>>There could be an important disadvantage with the new setup.
>>
>>Now, per-graph I can overrule the prefs display by selecting one of
>>Monochrome, Grayscale, and Color. One graph may be better visible in
>>Gra
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 11:15:25AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> There could be an important disadvantage with the new setup.
>
> Now, per-graph I can overrule the prefs display by selecting one of
> Monochrome, Grayscale, and Color. One graph may be better visible in
> Grayscale, another in Color
John Levon wrote:
>
> Usability is not a linear function of the number of widgets. My
> suggestions are IMHO better for the following reasons :
>
> 1) the global don't display is far more discoverable and understandable
>
> 2) a combo box that only ever has two entries is logically a checkbox i
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:20:27AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> >OK, this is a "final" solution, taking in Rob's redesign, and everyone's
> >comments (I hope).
> >
> >Global prefs :
> >
> > o Display graphics
> >
> >
> > Display mode: | Color|
> > ---
John Levon wrote:
>
> OK, this is a "final" solution, taking in Rob's redesign, and everyone's
> comments (I hope).
>
> Global prefs :
>
> o Display graphics
>
>
> Display mode: | Color|
>
>
> disabling the checkbox does NOT disab
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 07:42:07PM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> >>Did you ever noticed that no user complained about this
> >>graphic dialog ...
> >
> >This is (almost) irrelevant.
>
> cool. LyX, an open source as playground for developers
You mis understand. It's the old "can't prove a negativ
John Levon wrote:
>>Did you ever noticed that no user complained about this
>>graphic dialog ...
>>
>
> This is (almost) irrelevant.
cool. LyX, an open source as playground for developers
Herbert
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http://www.lyx.org/help/
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:25:08AM +0200, Herbert Voss wrote:
> >Rob wants to be able to control display (on/off) locally. If the
> >global setting is off and the local setting is on with your option
> >how should the graphics be displayed? colour, grey or mono?
> >
> >Did you read Rob's descri
Dekel Tsur wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:20:44PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>
> I believe that for this mode of work, the following interface would be better:
> in the global preferences you choose display type (mono/grey/color),
> and display mode: display/don't display/display only when dial
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 04:54:57AM -0300, Garst R. Reese wrote:
> Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >
> > > "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > Rob> But what to choose for the display mode, when it's selected; grey
> > Rob> scale, color, or monochrome. If this is not trivial,
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:20:44PM +1000, Allan Rae wrote:
>
> Did you read Rob's description of how he uses graphics? It's the
> opposite of your way of doing things (he defaults of off globally and
> only enables display for a short time while fiddling locally).
Here is Rob's mail:
1) A la
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Herbert Voss wrote:
> and I use globally on and locally what the output may be and
> never use off.
Globally on what? colour/grey or mono?
Then override this locally to display an image as something different?
Is this really that useful? apart from selecting grey as global
Allan Rae wrote:
>>Allan> One for what to display as (grey/color/mono) and another to
>>Allan> decide whether displaying is on/off globally.
>>
>>It could be grey/color/mono/off.
>>
>
> How is that going to work?
>
> Rob wants to be able to control display (on/off) locally. If the
> global set
> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Allan> How is that going to work?
Allan> Rob wants to be able to control display (on/off) locally. If
Allan> the global setting is off and the local setting is on with your
Allan> option how should the graphics be displayed? colour, grey or
On 14 Aug 2002, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Allan> On 14 Aug 2002, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> >> > "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> Rob> But what to choose for the display mode, when it's selected; grey
> Ro
> "Allan" == Allan Rae <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Allan> On 14 Aug 2002, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>> > "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
Rob> But what to choose for the display mode, when it's selected; grey
Rob> scale, color, or monochrome. If this is not trivial, w
On 14 Aug 2002, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
> > "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Rob> But what to choose for the display mode, when it's selected; grey
> Rob> scale, color, or monochrome. If this is not trivial, we better
> Rob> keep the full choice selector as before.
>
>
> "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> But what to choose for the display mode, when it's selected; grey
Rob> scale, color, or monochrome. If this is not trivial, we better
Rob> keep the full choice selector as before.
This is what I meant in my earlier posting: this grey/col
John Levon wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:54:44AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
>
>>So I won't be happy by removing the LyX View sizes. And I may not be
>>the only user that uses this feature this way.
>
>
> But we could just have a scale percentage ?
Ah, that is the perfect compromise!
Ke
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:54:44AM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> So I won't be happy by removing the LyX View sizes. And I may not be
> the only user that uses this feature this way.
But we could just have a scale percentage ?
regards
john
--
"It is unbecoming for young men to utter maxims."
Dekel Tsur wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:12:28PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
>
> Since we don't have LyX View size buttons, the "Get LaTeX size"
> doesn't make sense, so it should also be removed.
Oh, I misunderstood that. You really want to get rid of the Width/Height
sizes for LyX View a
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 01:01:34AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote:
> | Lars must have reintroduced this then.
>
> I have done nothing with this.
So it seems
sorry,
john
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John Levon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Lars must have reintroduced this then.
I have done nothing with this.
--
Lgb
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:34:33PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> >Yes, but setting mono/color/whatever on a graph-by-graph level is
> >overkill IMO. Only don't display should remain.
>
> I don't understand this.
> When the prefs are set to "don't display", I need a per-graph
> toggle to "DO display
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:12:28PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Alright agree. I never use that myself.
> But should we keep the "Get LaTeX size" for the LyX View sizes?
> Or should that also go?
Why can't we fill in the fields like that by default ? We could have a
"reset" button or something if
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 10:12:28PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Dekel Tsur wrote:
> > - No LyX View buttons (except a single scale button)
>
> Hmmm, if I temporarily want to display a single graph, do you want me set that for
>all
> graphs in the prefs? I can imagine to have the prefs on "don't di
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote:
>>"Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Rob> Dekel Tsur wrote:
>
>>>You seem to ignored my suggestions: - No LyX View buttons (except a
>>>single scale button)
>>
>
> Rob> Hmmm, if I temporarily want to display a single graph, do you
> Rob> wa
> "Rob" == Rob Lahaye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Rob> Dekel Tsur wrote:
>> You seem to ignored my suggestions: - No LyX View buttons (except a
>> single scale button)
Rob> Hmmm, if I temporarily want to display a single graph, do you
Rob> want me set that for all graphs in the prefs? I can
Dekel Tsur wrote:
>
> You seem to ignored my suggestions:
> - No LyX View buttons (except a single scale button)
Hmmm, if I temporarily want to display a single graph, do you want me set that for all
graphs in the prefs? I can imagine to have the prefs on "don't display", but when
inserting
a n
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:29:18PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As a tried to merge Xforms Graphics dialog with the Qt-version (Qt version is really
>nice!),
> I have come up with the layout for Xforms as attached. Main changes are:
You seem to ignored my suggestions:
- No LyX View bu
On Tuesday 13 August 2002 6:29 am, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As a tried to merge Xforms Graphics dialog with the Qt-version (Qt version
> is really nice!), I have come up with the layout for Xforms as attached.
Good idea. Taking the best ideas from each frontend to impove them all is a
Good Th
On Tuesday 13 August 2002 11:54 am, John Levon wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:29:18PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> > Subtle detail: the [Cancel] button in Xforms has become a [Close]
> > button in Qt. Which one is better?
>
> Hmm, they should be the same - i.e. they change to Cancel when some
On Tue, Aug 13, 2002 at 02:29:18PM +0900, Rob Lahaye wrote:
> Subtle detail: the [Cancel] button in Xforms has become a [Close]
> button in Qt. Which one is better?
Hmm, they should be the same - i.e. they change to Cancel when some of
the dialog contents change.
> Another one: configure still
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