Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Georg Baum
Am Montag, 23. Oktober 2006 11:34 schrieb Abdelrazak Younes: > Georg Baum wrote: > > Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > > > >> Come on, don't be so negative, I reckon it will be a lot better, > >> including performance wise. Before unicode was merged, 1.5/qt4 was > >> already quicker on windows and linux

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | That's it, then. Is it something that is fixable? Or are we supposed | to read lyx-cvs only? Lars> already fixed. Thanks. JMarc

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] did not carry the messages, but lyx-cvs and | Lars> gmane did. | | That's it, then. Is it something that is fixable? Or are we supposed | to read lyx

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> The [EMAIL PROTECTED] did not carry the messages, but lyx-cvs and Lars> gmane did. That's it, then. Is it something that is fixable? Or are we supposed to read lyx-cvs only? JMarc

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Lars> This is just plain bull. Go read the commits on | Lars> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or gmane. | | I can see them on gmane now. The fact is, I think I did not receive | them directly

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: I hope that the focus will remain. Without someone leading the way and telling where the goal is, LyX will wander around like a zombie and get more and more broken, just like it has for the last months. Quite frankly I feel offended by this

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Lars" == Lars Gullik Bjønnes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Lars> This is just plain bull. Go read the commits on Lars> [EMAIL PROTECTED] or gmane. I can see them on gmane now. The fact is, I think I did not receive them directly (although I cannot see why). JMarc

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There were cases where meeting indeed had this benefit; I think that here this "wake-up call" comedy only managed to hide the real work that was done in Denmark. The fact that we did not get to see the svn logs from you (and probably jug) di

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 11:52:01AM +0200, Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > I hope that the focus will remain. Without someone leading the way and > telling where the goal is, LyX will wander around like a zombie and get > more and more broken, just like it has for the last months. I believe you mea

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | > "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | | Asger> The main message I'm trying to get across is that I believe a | Asger> wake-up call was needed. | | Asger> LyX was moving in the wrong direction, and someone had to shou

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Use svn log. Jürgen committed from my account, because we did Asger> not want to waste time doing unnecessary compiles. Asger> We worked all days from morning till night. We did a lot of Asger> work. Most of it did not result

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: There were cases where meeting indeed had this benefit; I think that here this "wake-up call" comedy only managed to hide the real work that was done in Denmark. The fact that we did not get to see the svn logs from you (and probably jug) did not help either; all we go

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Come on, don't be so negative, I reckon it will be a lot better, including performance wise. Before unicode was merged, 1.5/qt4 was already quicker on windows and linux than 1.4/qt3. That is not completely true. The last tim

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Georg Baum wrote: Abdelrazak Younes wrote: Come on, don't be so negative, I reckon it will be a lot better, including performance wise. Before unicode was merged, 1.5/qt4 was already quicker on windows and linux than 1.4/qt3. That is not completely true. The last time I checked before unicode

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> The main message I'm trying to get across is that I believe a Asger> wake-up call was needed. Asger> LyX was moving in the wrong direction, and someone had to shout Asger> and do some aggressive moves to make people realize t

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Georg Baum
Abdelrazak Younes wrote: > Come on, don't be so negative, I reckon it will be a lot better, > including performance wise. Before unicode was merged, 1.5/qt4 was > already quicker on windows and linux than 1.4/qt3. That is not completely true. The last time I checked before unicode 1.5/qt4 was slo

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
The main message I'm trying to get across is that I believe a wake-up call was needed. LyX was moving in the wrong direction, and someone had to shout and do some aggressive moves to make people realize that. Me and Jürgen decided to do that as outsiders, and to me it looks like it worked.

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Georg Baum
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > Georg Baum wrote: >> I don't think you should call that whining. Maybe you can not imagine how >> your activities look from outside, but I can. > > I certainly can. Why do you think we took those photographs with the > cleenexes? We did that because we know that there

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Georg Baum wrote: >> I don't think you should call that whining. Maybe you can not >> imagine how your activities look from outside, but I can. Asger> I certainly can. Why do you think we took those photographs Asger> with th

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: | | > Qt3 can be resurrected if someone wants to, but all others on the list | > were positive about this. | | Resurrecting qt3 is ridicolous. qt3 was removed because "it was eating too | many resources to keep it even if it is

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Abdelrazak Younes
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: I do not know whether the messages send during this meeting were seen as particularly bright and witty, but I am personally appalled by the pompous bullshit we have been served. We fixed *a lot* of VERY HARD TO FIX bugs, and now LyX is usable again. Some of those bug

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Georg" == Georg Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Stop whining. Or have some cheese with it: Georg> I don't think you should call that whining. Maybe you can not Georg> imagine how your activities look from outside, but I can. It is telling that most of the people who promoted this kind

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
Georg Baum wrote: I don't think you should call that whining. Maybe you can not imagine how your activities look from outside, but I can. I certainly can. Why do you think we took those photographs with the cleenexes? We did that because we know that there would be whining. It will be interes

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Asger> We backed down on the UTF-8 decision, and agreed that Georg | Asger> could go ahead with his patch to support the other encodings. | | I hope we'll manage to get this to a reasonable state (as in "be able | to process all kind of accents i

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: As Georg already pointed out, several of the problems were very new, and probably did not warrant seeing Asger W. Bush declare "War on Bugs" (with the appropriate suspension of civil liberties), along with the claims of victory a few hours later. I had a lot of fun t

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Georg Baum
Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > Qt3 can be resurrected if someone wants to, but all others on the list > were positive about this. Resurrecting qt3 is ridicolous. qt3 was removed because "it was eating too many resources to keep it even if it is allowed to rot", and now you suggest that those who wa

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I do not know whether the messages send during this meeting were >> seen as particularly bright and witty, but I am personally appalled >> by the pompous bullshit we have been served. Asger> We fixed *a lot* of VERY HARD TO FIX b

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Asger Ottar Alstrup
I do not know whether the messages send during this meeting were seen as particularly bright and witty, but I am personally appalled by the pompous bullshit we have been served. We fixed *a lot* of VERY HARD TO FIX bugs, and now LyX is usable again. Some of those bugs have been chased for MONTH

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-23 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Asger" == Asger Ottar Alstrup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Asger> Hm, action please. We suggest that all capable enthusiasts Asger> immediately go to lyx.org and read the news. I do not know whether the messages send during this meeting were seen as particularly bright and witty, but I am p

Re: Conclusions

2006-10-22 Thread Martin Vermeer
On Mon, 2006-10-23 at 00:37 +0200, Asger Ottar Alstrup wrote: > Hm, action please. > > We suggest that all capable enthusiasts immediately go to lyx.org and > read the news. That's pretty good! :-))) We should start planning the next meeting as clearly they are *very* useful - Martin sign