Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:49:16PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > [I guess you will cut down this list based on 'average', 'likely' and > 'often'...] Let's assume I've already done it ;) john -- Khendon's Law: If the same point is made twice by the same person, the thread is over.

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 03:24:02PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:00:16PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > > Please don't - anything an average user is likely to use MUST be in > > > the main menus. > > > > Well, 100 features would most likely end up in a deep menu hiera

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 04:00:16PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > Please don't - anything an average user is likely to use MUST be in > > the main menus. > > Well, 100 features would most likely end up in a deep menu hierarchy, > won't they? What are these 100 features average users are likel

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 02:37:53PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 03:13:10PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > The problem with 'right-click context menus' is that they are not as > > simple to implement as adding a few lines to ui/foo.ui. > > All we need is some function to r

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 03:13:10PM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > The problem with 'right-click context menus' is that they are not as > simple to implement as adding a few lines to ui/foo.ui. All we need is some function to return the type of the current inset. Then we can add lines for each item

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 01:46:17PM +0100, John Levon wrote: > > I don't agree here. Table and math are even more integrated with LyX > > than the spellchecker, yet the the spellchecker gets greyed out but > > math and tables get removed. > > This argument would work if the rationale for the contex

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread John Levon
On Tue, Oct 07, 2003 at 09:40:21AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > I have too say that I am not really in love with this menu, > > but I won't criticize it too hard, since I have nothing better to > > propose for now. I think that the fact that it appears and disappears > > contextually is not too

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-07 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 05:26:11PM +0200, Jean-Marc Lasgouttes wrote: > > "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Andre> Jean-Marc, Lars: > > Andre> Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove > Andre> inactive items from the menu instead of graying them o

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> But currently, Edit->Math is non-existent when outside Math. Andre> Same for Edit-> Tabular outside of tables. I don't think either Andre> of them qualifies as 'Optional feature'. Andre> This is annoying for Andre> (a) new users

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Jean-Marc Lasgouttes
> "Andre" == Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Andre> Jean-Marc, Lars: Andre> Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove Andre> inactive items from the menu instead of graying them out? Andre> I find this horribly bad UI. A user never gets to know the Andre> 'thi

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:56:10AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > _I_ndex as it used to be > _L_abel as it used to be > List/T_O_C as it used to be. I obviously have more patience than I thought. > What's wrong with that? Look again (or even perhaps read what I said ...). Or try it. I want to

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:22:15AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:44:15AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > > > Since I am at it I'd like to pursue my 'childish behaviour' as John put > > it in his comment to #1420: In the new menu structure 'we' changed a > > lot of short cuts

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:38:26AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > >From a quick look this seems to be you defending your decisions, not > somebody else requesting the change, and certainly not the broad > agreement 'by the project leaders' you like to cite. Since when it is necessary for somebody

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:05:19AM +0100, John Levon wrote: > Hey, guess what, I've covered it several times ! > > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-devel&m=105113183526929&w=2 > http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=lyx-devel&m=105062632809542&w=2 >From a quick look this seems to be you defending yo

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:44:15AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Since I am at it I'd like to pursue my 'childish behaviour' as John put > it in his comment to #1420: In the new menu structure 'we' changed a > lot of short cuts in a seemingly randomly fashion, i.e. Insert->Index is > now - you gue

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread John Levon
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 09:57:18AM +0200, Andre Poenitz wrote: > Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove inactive > items from the menu instead of graying them out? Despite what you seem to think, I am not a moron. I'm entirely aware of the spatial stability issues with hi

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 10:12:18AM +0200, Lars Gullik Bjønnes wrote: > Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > | Jean-Marc, Lars: > > > | Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove inactive > | items from the menu instead of graying them out? > > I thought we only did t

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Garst R. Reese
Andre Poenitz wrote: > I find this horribly bad UI. A user never gets to know the 'thing is > there' unless he happens to check the menus at the right time. Agree strongly, Garst

Re: [bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Lars Gullik Bjønnes
Andre Poenitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: | Jean-Marc, Lars: > | Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove inactive | items from the menu instead of graying them out? I thought we only did that with "optional items"? -- Lgb

[bugzilla-daemon@lyx.org: [Bug 1421] Regression: menu items vanish]

2003-10-06 Thread Andre Poenitz
Jean-Marc, Lars: Can I please have your confirmation that 'we' decided to remove inactive items from the menu instead of graying them out? I find this horribly bad UI. A user never gets to know the 'thing is there' unless he happens to check the menus at the right time. Andre' - Forwa