On Sunday 15 May 2005 03:47, Michael Vasiliev wrote:
> On Friday May 13 2005 15:42, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > > > Actually, a default install of Fedora took several months to break
> > > > into. As opposed to less than 20 minutes for Windows.
> > >
> > > Could you please provide the source for that cl
On Friday May 13 2005 15:42, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > > Actually, a default install of Fedora took several months to break
> > > into. As opposed to less than 20 minutes for Windows.
> >
> > Could you please provide the source for that claim? I remember an
> > anecdotial honeypots research in recent
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 09:10:59PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > > On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > common as a server. So the crackers dev
On 5/14/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
> > > servers. If/When linux is very common
On Sat, May 14, 2005 at 10:33:42AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
> > servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start
> > seeing the same there.
>
> Same
Shlomi Fish wrote:
It's "bread and circuses" in English, AFAIR. Comes from Latin, if I know.
Right and Right.
http://www.bartleby.com/61/39/B0463950.html
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Hi!
Just wanted to note that I fully agree with everything Amos Shapira said on
this message. Hear, hear!
Regards,
Shlomi Fish
On Saturday 14 May 2005 03:33, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > common as a server. So the crackers develop
On 5/13/05, Yedidyah Bar-David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> common as a server. So the crackers develop means to break linux
> servers. If/When linux is very common on the desktop, you'll start
> seeing the same there.
Same flawed FUD used by the MS camp. Apache is the most common
web server in th
On 5/13/05, Ori Idan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
>
> For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
>
> 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
> his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is
On Friday 13 May 2005 15:01, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote:
> >
> >The reasons I don't prefer LISP are:
>
> [snip]
>
> We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for
> languages reli
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 02:20:26PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, Didi wrote:
>The reasons I don't prefer LISP are:
[snip]
We're here for windows vs. linux religous wars. Hackers-il is for
languages religious wars. This thread is long enough as it is.
> > Just to prove
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 12:05:45PM +0300, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
> > I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
> >
> > For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
> >
> > 1. When was the last time an
On Friday 13 May 2005 12:05, you wrote:
> On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
> > I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
> >
> > For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
> >
> > 1. When was the last time any of this list members has see
On Fri, May 13, 2005 at 10:18:49AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
> I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
>
> For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
>
> 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
> his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 10:18 +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
> I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.
>
> For the simple people, let us look at the facts:
>
> 1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
> his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer
;From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
>>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:21 PM
>>To: Dan Kaspi
>>Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
>>Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
>>
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On Wednesday 11 May 2005 16:36, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
> Shlomi Fish wrote:
> >Hi Shachar!
> >
> >Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML
> > page that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell
> > Solver site and its mirror, as well as forward t
Shlomi Fish wrote:
Hi Shachar!
Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page
that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site
and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss
mailing list. Another good thing w
Hi Shachar!
Would you mind if I put this message of yours (or at your option, an HTML page
that explains it all, which you or I will write.) on the Freecell Solver site
and its mirror, as well as forward this message to the fc-solve-discuss
mailing list. Another good thing would be to try to c
Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
I'm not that deep into Windows administration, I just know that, as
far as I noticed,
I never had to bother with it.
Well recently I heard of someone who told me MS
On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > But there's always a possibility. In Windows, it's impossible to keep
> > several versions of the same DLL due to the lack of symbolic links. And
> > most packages come in installers, that insta
This would cause a major outcry on Slashdot:
Microsoft (MSFT) to announce new, innovative Windows Software Repository
(tm) for bettter security and integration.
The Microsoft Co. is pleased to announce that, comming with the next
version of windows, code-named 'Longhorn', a new service has bee
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 02:06:30PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> Heh. It is also important to understand that hardware played part in shaping
> the evolution of editors. When UNIX started, computers wrote output to line
> printers on paper, (very slowly). So people created editors like ed, where
>
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 13:11, you wrote:
> On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: Moving to Linux":
> > NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed
> > from recent "Welcome to Linuxes" due to the fact that it seems know
not improved significantly, I do not think I will
recommend to him
using this X Server.
Regards,
Dan
From: Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 17:13:53 +1000
On 5/
On Tue, May 10, 2005, Shlomi Fish wrote about "Re: Moving to Linux":
> NEdit is also nice. The slides covering basic vi use have been removed from
> recent "Welcome to Linuxes" due to the fact that it seems knowing vi has
> become less and less important. Kfir, un
On Tuesday 10 May 2005 10:03, you wrote:
> >Also, if he has problem, can you help him by phone? Did you try to explein
> >someone to vi a file and edit it? I tried it with my sister
>
> I agree that vi is not a sympathetic editor (I don't know if the tern
> editor is good for it; I would call it an
i installed linux (first redhat, then mandrake) for my mom a few years ago. the
reason: her tv card refused to work properly in windows no matter what we
tried. so she was extremely happy with linux and hardly bugged me at all. and
believe me, she's rather clueless on the computer (she does stuf
ord
> himself spending time trying to solve technical problems in linux where an
> immediate solution is needed) .
Great to hear that.
>
> Since using application is presumably the easier part of moving to linux,
> I also try to to convince him to try to install Colinux under w
On 5/10/05, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, because it's very simple. You have to teach her once how to get to
> the shell ("double click on that icon of the square in the toolbar").
> She can have some extra open and it won't be a problem.
I should be able to do the same on Window
ning under XWindows: Kate,gedit,JEdit,...
Regads,
Dan Kaspi
From: Kfir Lavi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Dan Kaspi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:28:01 +0300
On Sunday 08 May 2
e solution is needed) .
Since using application is presumably the easier part of moving to linux,
I also try to to convince him to try to install Colinux under windows, so
that he can play a bit with the command line,starting services, a little
shell,installing packages (apt-get,yum,...) etc.
my dad is 82 and he is fine on the command line
I walked him thru some file system checking the other day on the phone
- then again he's a PhD in System Science from UCLA (not a typical
user) :-)
danny
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:57:40AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
On 5/
On Tue, May 10, 2005 at 10:57:40AM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> On 5/9/05, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > But my mother won't appreciate command-line at all (and so would I, if
> > > I'll have
> > > to explain to her what to do with it over the phone).
> >
> > Slightly OT:
> >
>
On 5/9/05, Amit Aronovitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Amos Shapira wrote:
> >This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special
> >about the Linux kernel), only it haven't been done yet. People
> >can probably come up with many reasons (one I can think of is the
> >proprietar
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Monday 09 May 2005 11:40, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > I'm not that deep into Windows administration, I just know that, as
> > far as I noticed,
> > I never had to bother with it.
> >
>
> Well recently I heard of someone who told me MS Freecell (!!
Shlomi Fish wrote:
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? WinZip? You can't legally distribute
those without specia
On 5/9/05, Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:40:55PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > > systems). But for example, if you browse the web with a vulnerable
> > > browser,
> > > that allows malicious sites to execute code on your machine, then all the
> > > firewall
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 11:30:06PM +0300, Oron Peled wrote:
> On Monday 09 May 2005 21:34, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> > Actually, MS did distribute GPLed software. NT Resource kit contained
> > perl. IIRC with sources. I don't know if recent RKits continue this
> > tradition.
>
> 1. FALSE: perl l
On Monday 09 May 2005 21:34, Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:
> Actually, MS did distribute GPLed software. NT Resource kit contained
> perl. IIRC with sources. I don't know if recent RKits continue this
> tradition.
1. FALSE: perl license is not GPL (it's under the Artistic License)
2. TRUE: MS does dis
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
> Of course, you could add some Free Software in your distribution too -
> but you can't add GPL-licensed stuff (and GPL is the most common OSS
> license). If you do add GPL stuff, you'll have to make all the other
> stuff open source too - so
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 08:16:40PM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
> > If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
> > carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
> > Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? Win
On Monday 09 May 2005 15:23, Amit Aronovitch wrote:
> If your'e Micorosft, you might create a central distribution source
> carrying Windows, Office, several games and tools, but what about
> Photoshop? Doom3? Acrobat Reader? WinZip? You can't legally distribute
> those without special contract wi
7;t convinced
> that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
>
> Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
> (except the idea of moving to open and free source).
>
>
> Dan Kaspi
>
If Linux wants to be No.1, it should apeel to the games co
Amos Shapira wrote:
Debian (and other distro's) convenience is that it packages many utilities
and add-ons in an easy uniform interface to download/install/config.
This should be possible to do also on Windows (there is nothing special
about the Linux kernel), only it haven't been done yet. People
.
Regards,
tzahi.
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:21 PM
> To: Dan Kaspi
> Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
> Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
>
>
> On Su
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
this can be easiy changed; moreover, he claimed that since Linux is an open
source,
maybe it is even easier to develop viruses/spyware to it. In this point
I did not know what to answer him. I am not a
security expert; it could be that he is right in this point
Linux will takes time because you need to
> > learn
> > many new things; The security solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
> > the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
> > that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
> >
> &
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 06:40:55PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > systems). But for example, if you browse the web with a vulnerable browser,
> > that allows malicious sites to execute code on your machine, then all the
> > firewalls in the world won't prevent your machine from getting infected by
On 5/9/05, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But there's always a possibility. In Windows, it's impossible to keep several
> versions of the same DLL due to the lack of symbolic links. And most packages
> come in installers, that install all the required DLLs along with the
> programs. (ther
solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open and free source).
Frankly, I prefe
On Mon, May 09, 2005, Amos Shapira wrote about "Re: Moving to Linux":
>...
> Debian (and other distro's) convenience is that it packages many utilities
> and add-ons in an easy uniform interface to download/install/config.
>
> This should be possible to do als
On Mon, May 09, 2005 at 12:21:26PM +1000, Amos Shapira wrote:
> > 5. Integrability - everything can be made to work together.
>
> As far as people are concerned - Windows does a better job of this right now.
> A couple of days ago a fellow programmer told me "On Windows you just
> double-click and
h all the services
exposed. I agree that firewalls/NATs/etc. are useful (even for Linux
systems). But for example, if you browse the web with a vulnerable browser,
that allows malicious sites to execute code on your machine, then all the
firewalls in the world won't prevent your machine fr
the switch then this is yet another argument that's simply not going
to cut this.
Remember that most people just look at a computer as a means to an
end, as another tool like their TV or DVD. Stating "I wouldn't trust these"
isn't going to convince a reasonable person, not withou
On 5/9/05, Dan Kaspi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> >I can easily update all of my software with the latest security updates.
>
> Well , if I am not wrong this is only specific to Debian. (BTW : I don't
> know Debian :
> I want to take advantage of this opportunity and ask : does
> only non-s
how about not having to reboot every few days. for me, uptime is one of the
biggest advantages of linux, and nowadays, i'm not the only one who leaves my
home computer on 24/7.
On Sunday 08 May 2005 15:40, you wrote:
> Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving
Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 06:16:54PM +0300, Yosef Meller wrote:
>
>>As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
>>Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
>>could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 06:16:54PM +0300, Yosef Meller wrote:
>
> As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
> Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
> could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
> Linux; however, on L
As an example to why linux is more sucure, see the latest flaw in
Firefox: it allows an attacker to create a file on your machine. This
could be used to create a batch file on windows, or a shell script in
Linux; however, on Linux shell scripts (or any other file) are not
executable by default, yo
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Content-Type: text/plain
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 15:40 +0300, Dan Kaspi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I tried to convince somebody I know to move to Linux at home and
> at work. I am myself an advocate user of Linux at work and at home.
>
>
s not hard to use, and there are
many things that are analogous to their Windows counterparts.
> The security solution of XP (the XP firewall) and
> the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
> that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
&
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 05:28:38PM +0300, Dan Kaspi wrote:
> Hi,
> >I can easily update all of my software with the latest security updates.
>
> Well , if I am not wrong this is only specific to Debian. (BTW : I don't
> know Debian :
> I want to take advantage of this opportunity and ask : does
re distros which have this feature - I
don't know of such).
Regards,
Dan Kaspi
From: Tzafrir Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: linux-il@linux.org.il
Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 16:42:30 +0300
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
>
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
When listing the main advantages of Linux , the most important one
I had thought of was security ; when you access the internet from a Linux
m
On Sun, May 08, 2005 at 04:20:22PM +0300, Josh Zlatin-Amishav wrote:
> On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
> > When listing the main advantages of Linux , the most important one
> >I had thought of was security ; when you access the internet from a Linux
> >machine, chances that you get a vi
I can pose for moving to Linux ?
You may want to take a different route. Encourage OSS use on any
platform. I convinced my relatives to use
Mozilla Firefox on their XP at home. There were two advantages to this.
1. They stopped called me over to clean up the spyware from their
machine
2. I twea
firewall) and
the free antispyware sw are enough for him; And he isn't convinced
that it is worth to inverst time in migating to Linux.
Are there other Linux benefits which I can pose for moving to Linux ?
(except the idea of moving to open and free source).
Dan
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