Re: Dynamics and markup inside tuplet bracket

2016-01-01 Thread Malte Meyn
Am 01.01.2016 um 04:12 schrieb Andrew Bernard: > How does one go about getting dynamics and/or markup inside a tuplet bracket? > Just change out-side-staff-priority of the dynamics/markup or the bracket: > \version "2.19.34" > > \relative c'' { \once \override TupletBracket.outside-staff-pri

Re: Dynamics and markup inside tuplet bracket

2016-01-01 Thread Andrew Bernard
Malte, Thanks! Works great. I explored this option but did not set a high enough value. Is there a list of outside staff priority values somewhere? I seem to vaguely recall, but cannot locate it. Andrew On 1/01/2016, 20:13, "Malte Meyn" wrote: Just change out-side-staff-priority of the dyn

Re: Dynamics and markup inside tuplet bracket

2016-01-01 Thread Phil Holmes
I can't find a list either, but if you search for outside-staff-priority in the Internals, one could be created... -- Phil Holmes - Original Message - From: Andrew Bernard To: Malte Meyn ; lilypond-user@gnu.org Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 10:54 AM Subject: Re: Dynamics a

Re: Dynamics and markup inside tuplet bracket

2016-01-01 Thread Malte Meyn
Am 01.01.2016 um 11:54 schrieb Andrew Bernard: > Is there a list of outside staff priority values somewhere? I seem to > vaguely recall, but cannot locate it. An incomplete list can be found in the Learning Manual, section 4.4.3. Nothing in the Notation Reference but you can find all values in

Re: Dynamics and markup inside tuplet bracket

2016-01-01 Thread Trevor Daniels
There's a list here: http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/learning/outside_002dstaff-objects Not quite complete, but it covers most objects, and explains how the property is used. Trevor - Original Message - From: Phil Holmes To: Andrew Bernard ; Malte Meyn ; lilypon

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2015-12-31 3:23 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi Harm, > > Now that my custom ottavation function isn’t overriding the stencil, how do I > adjust all of the parameters I had set in the “bound-details” version (e.g., > X, Y, padding, right-broken.X, etc.)? > > Thanks, > Kieren. > > p.s. My origin

Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread stracey
I have two questions: 1. In the sample below, how would I make the last set of notes(e'-0>) be part of the previous measure. 2. Since I am typesetting classical guitar, would it be better to use voices for the bass and melody? For this particular piece, I will have about 5 measures where I ha

Re: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread Ralf Mattes
Am Freitag, 01. Januar 2016 17:12 CET, stra...@tpsx.com schrieb: > I have two questions: > > 1. In the sample below, how would I make the last set of notes( e'-0>) be part of the previous measure. I don't unerstand this question. It's hard to answer such questions without knowing how the mus

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, Thank you so much for doing all this! Very informative and helpful. > I made some fundamental research about spanners with line-interface > and those with additional line-spanner-interface. > Code, pdf, log attached. Their behaviour is inconsistent, to say the least. =( > Regarding def

Re: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread Phil Holmes
- Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 4:12 PM Subject: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription I have two questions: 1. In the sample below, how would I make the last set of notes(e'-0>) be part of the previous measure. 2. Since I am typesetting

Re: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread Scott Tracey
Thank you. Your answer helps. I only sent one measure of the piece. Everything matches the original transcription except the last chord which should be part of the first measure. Based on your answer, I have hacked my script to get it to render properly in the first measure but that hack only

Re: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread Scott Tracey
This will likely fix another issue I have around the stem direction as well. I appreciate your detailed answer. Thank you! On 2016-01-01 10:45, Phil Holmes wrote: - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 4:12 PM Subject: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar tran

Re: Syntax and Usage Question for guitar transcription

2016-01-01 Thread Ralf Mattes
Here follows a minimal example of how I would o this using a "pragmatic" guitar notation (as a lute player I favour correct three-part notation ...) %- \version "2.18.2" #(set-global-sta

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-01 17:38 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan : >> P.S.: Up to now I found it impossible to override certain properties >> of the first part of a broken OttavaBracket, like the length of the line. >> Hairpin has the 'broken-bound-padding at least, but none of the >> others, if I'm not mistaken. > >

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread David Nalesnik
On Fri, Jan 1, 2016 at 11:55 AM, Thomas Morley wrote: > 2016-01-01 17:38 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan >: > > > > And my limited testing with \alterBroken seems to suggest that not all > bits are user-settable (e.g., I still can’t seem to set the broken text > without overriding the stencil). > > W

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi Harm, > > Thank you so much for doing all this! Very informative and helpful. > >> I made some fundamental research about spanners with line-interface >> and those with additional line-spanner-interface. >> Code, pdf, log attached. Their behaviour is inconsistent, to

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-01 19:23 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup : > Kieren MacMillan writes: > >> Hi Harm, >> >> Thank you so much for doing all this! Very informative and helpful. >> >>> I made some fundamental research about spanners with line-interface >>> and those with additional line-spanner-interface. >>> Code, p

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley writes: > True. > I posted my findings, else I wrote "discussable ..." > > So, let's start discussion. > > In the end the general question "How should OttavaBracket behave?" > should be answered detailed. > Part of it: > Which properties should be user-settable? > How should a (mayb

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > "particular" is not the same as "well-defined”. > I can't even figure out what this is supposed to be about. Feature Request: OttavaBracket should support line-spanner-interface. Does that satisfy your definition of "well-defined”? Thanks, Kieren. K

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David, > To me it would appear that in this case by far the lion's share of the > work is digging through reference books (incidentally, I don't have any > of those), devising a good plan for the desired behavior, checking with > the current behavior, figuring out where the differences are, > c

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > I posted my findings, else I wrote "discussable ..." > > So, let's start discussion. > > In the end the general question "How should OttavaBracket behave?" > should be answered detailed. > Part of it: > Which properties should be user-settable? > How should a (maybe broken) OttavaBrac

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David N, > Strange that > \alterBroken text #'(() "") Staff.OttavaBracket > doesn't have an effect here (substitute this line for the call of \foo above). Exactly. This discovery (which I made some days ago) further added to my frustration about not being able to predict what is or is not lik

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > broken text isn't that hard Thanks! Through a combination of \translate, \with-dimensions, #’before- and #’after-line-breaking, and your help, I'm getting close to recreating without line-spanner-interface the OttavaBracket defaults that I had before [by overriding #’stencil]; see

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Kieren MacMillan writes: > Hi David, > >> To me it would appear that in this case by far the lion's share of the >> work is digging through reference books (incidentally, I don't have any >> of those), devising a good plan for the desired behavior, checking with >> the current behavior, figuring

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-01 22:20 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi David N, > >> Strange that >> \alterBroken text #'(() "") Staff.OttavaBracket >> doesn't have an effect here (substitute this line for the call of \foo >> above). > > Exactly. This discovery (which I made some days ago) further added to my > frus

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-01 22:30 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup : > Kieren MacMillan writes: > >> Hi David, >> >>> To me it would appear that in this case by far the lion's share of the >>> work is digging through reference books (incidentally, I don't have any >>> of those), devising a good plan for the desired behavio

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread David Kastrup
Thomas Morley writes: > 2016-01-01 22:30 GMT+01:00 David Kastrup : >> Kieren MacMillan writes: >> >>> Hi David, >> >> It is trivial to let OttavaBracket contain line-spanner-interface which >> is just a label for a set of properties. What those properties do >> depends on actual code, however.

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-01 22:13 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi David, > >> To me it would appear that in this case by far the lion's share of the >> work is digging through reference books (incidentally, I don't have any >> of those), Don't have any as well >> devising a good plan for the desired behavior, c

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi David > it's quite trivial to complete the "well-defined” task > without doing anything remotely useful. Well, at least I’ve answered the charge that I didn’t give a well-defined task. Cheers, Kieren. Kieren MacMillan, composer ‣ website: www.kierenmacmillan.

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > \alterBroken is a tool meant to facilitate addressing and tweaking > parts and properties of spanners. You may call it syntactic sugar ;) > It needs investigation why it fails with OttavaBracket.text And, my [admittedly non-exhaustive] testing has just shown, OttavaBracket.shorten-pai

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Harm, > In general, even a feature-request which is well-defined > and short worded may involve a lot more then expected. ;) For over twenty years, I was a programmer (of Java, a half-dozen other languages, and several database scripting environments) with clients/users — so I know that only

Re: Adjusting OttavaBracket parameters (was "Re: can't seem to apply tweaks on tweaks")

2016-01-01 Thread Thomas Morley
2016-01-02 1:02 GMT+01:00 Kieren MacMillan : > Hi Harm, > >> \alterBroken is a tool meant to facilitate addressing and tweaking >> parts and properties of spanners. You may call it syntactic sugar ;) >> It needs investigation why it fails with OttavaBracket.text > > And, my [admittedly non-exhausti