RE: GDP: Repeats

2008-02-27 Thread Trevor Daniels
Ralph As I said earlier, I'd go for the simpler structure: 1.4 Repeats 1.4.1 Repeat syntax 1.4.2 Normal repeats 1.4.3 Manual repeat commands 1.4.4 Tremolo repeats 1.4.5 Measure repeats since this leaves a further level for subdivision within each section. Or, if you prefer your suggested layou

Re: strange warning

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Just as the previous warning you asked about, this is just a warning telling that LilyPond didn't manage to produce a layout that fulfills all its design rules. This time it's related to the vertical spacing between the score lines, that ended up slightly too tight. Looking at the output I don't

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Eyolf Østrem
On 17.02.2008 (11:41), Valentin Villenave wrote: > 2008/2/17, David Fedoruk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Octave transposition seems a confusing, since transposition in music > > usually implies that the passage is to be played in a different key. > > Octave displacement does not change the key. Or

Re: strange termination

2008-02-27 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb hhpmusic: > I downloaded the latest version of Lilypond, and the problems I referred > to are solved. Thank you! But when processing this file, it suddenly > terminated, but unlike other termination, it left an incomplete -def.ly. > Why? Because musicxml2ly

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Eyolf, Or one might turn the argument around and say that the melody is indeed trans-posed -- placed somewhere else, whereas the negative associations of dis- is that it's ended up in the wrong place... Interesting point... Really, what we're talking about is a NOTATIONAL SHORTHAND: th

Re: GDP glossary question: complex meters

2008-02-27 Thread Kurt Kroon
On 2/26/08 5:39 AM, "Palmer, Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, Kurt - > > When I brought up "my" definition, it certainly was not intended to be > exclusive (as in the only definition). Nor did I perceive it that way. > I was trying to point out that there was an alternative meaning to po

Problem with tuplets ... please hep

2008-02-27 Thread eagle136
Hi, I am a noob to Lilypond and am very impressed until I tried using tuplets and am getting an error each time. The following line within the definition of a melody line context works, i.e. Lilypond parses it and generates .PDF and .PS files as expected: \times 2/3 g4 { g g g } r2 However, I d

Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread eagle136
> > > > > > > > Hi, I am a noob to Lilypond and am very impressed until I tried using tuplets and am getting an error each time. The following line within the definition of a melody line context works, i.e. Lilypond parses it and generates .PDF and .PS files as expected: \times 2/3 g4 { g g

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Eyolf, Or one might turn the argument around and say that the melody is indeed trans-posed -- placed somewhere else, whereas the negative associations of dis- is that it's ended up in the wrong place... Inte

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 comment

2008-02-27 Thread Till Rettig
Mats Bengtsson schrieb: Quoting Till Rettig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Hi, I just noticed that the staff contexts of the examples in 1.1.3.5 are PianoStaff. In 1.6 there is only mentioned GrandStaff. Which one is the preferred one to be used? I would mention both in 1.6, but I think we should d

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
Octave transposition seems a confusing, since transposition in music usually implies that the passage is to be played in a different key. Octave displacement does not change the key. According to Harvard dict. of music 4th ed.: Transposition. the rewriting or performance of music at a pitch ot

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please hep

2008-02-27 Thread Mark Knoop
Hi Simon, Hope you're enjoying using Lilypond. On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 08:22 -0800, eagle136 wrote: > Hi, > I am a noob to Lilypond and am very impressed until I tried using tuplets > and am getting an error each time. > > The following line within the definition of a melody line context works, >

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb eagle136: > Processing `wart.ly' > Parsing... > wart.ly:61:23: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING > g4 \times 2/3 { >gis g g} r4 | Without the actual file to look at, it's hard to give a proper problem analysis/solution (my

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread James E. Bailey
On 27.02.2008, at 18:21, Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb eagle136: Processing `wart.ly' Parsing... wart.ly:61:23: error: syntax error, unexpected STRING g4 \times 2/3 { gis g g} r4 | Without the actual file to look at, it's hard to

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Damian leGassick
agreed, octave transposition is what i call it - the notation is transposed d On 27 Feb 2008, at 16:37, Anh Hai Trinh wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 10:04:35 -0500, Kieren MacMillan <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: Hi Eyolf, Or one might turn the argument around and say that the melody is inde

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:29:32 +0100 "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another way of answering that is, lilypond uses "english.ly" by > default, so unless you specify \include "deutsch.ly", you'll get > errors like that (I forget to put that in my files all the time). False. Look

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Trevor Bača
Yes, absolutely. I had suggested that earlier in the thread but then the idea came up that transposition somehow implies a change of key. It most certainly does not. And "displacement" is wholly wrong to my ears. Graphical noteheads can displace (to the left or right in the interval of a second).

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread Joseph Wakeling
James E. Bailey wrote: > Another way of answering that is, lilypond uses "english.ly" by default, > so unless you specify \include "deutsch.ly", you'll get errors like that > (I forget to put that in my files all the time). Is that true? In mine (2.10.25, installed with Ubuntu) it's certainly not

Re: staff section

2008-02-27 Thread Till Rettig
Trevor Daniels schrieb: Hi Till Might the tempo indication and metronome marks be better placed in the Rhythm section? If you think so let me know, as I'm working on Rhythms right now. Trevor D Hi, I think we should leave it as it is, after all it is nothing to do with _rythms_ specifi

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread Joseph Wakeling
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: > Without the actual file to look at, it's hard to give a proper problem > analysis/solution (my crystal ball broke last week ;-) Are you maybe using > \include "english.ly" > in your file? If so, the syntax for sharps is gsharp, not gis (and gflat > instead of ges)

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread James E. Bailey
On 27.02.2008, at 18:44, Graham Percival wrote: On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:29:32 +0100 "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Another way of answering that is, lilypond uses "english.ly" by default, so unless you specify \include "deutsch.ly", you'll get errors like that (I forget to put th

error?

2008-02-27 Thread James E. Bailey
I've got a minor problem. It's incredibly difficult to reproduce because of how it occurs, but I've got a little screenshot to show it. http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/569c91276e.jpg Basically, the double-sharp is a bit too close to the time signature for my tastes, and I'm wondering

Re: page breaks related to header size

2008-02-27 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
On 27/02/2008, Risto Vääräniemi wrote: > Sometimes the LP still seems a bit pessimistic about fitting the > systems on a desired number of pages. Setting between-system-padding > to zero and adjusting the between-system-space instead usually works. Speak of the Devil... :-) Today I wrote a pie

Fingering inside staff

2008-02-27 Thread Francisco Vila
Hello all, Is it possible to place fingerings inside the staff (or outside, but just next to the notehead), and at a maximum distance of the notehead of, say, two staff spaces? I would like to set this voice-wide, not for a single fingering. Thank you, -- Francisco Vila. Badajoz (Spain) http://w

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
On 2008-Feb-27, at 10:51, Anh Hai Trinh wrote: Octave transposition seems a confusing, since transposition in music usually implies that the passage is to be played in a different key. Octave displacement does not change the key. According to Harvard dict. of music 4th ed.: Transposition. t

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
I'll warn you that you'll have a very hard time convincing me. ;-) p.s. Perhaps the best way to convince me is to clarify the difference -- in terms of how it's presented in the Lilypond documentation -- between the "octave transposition" represented by \transpose c c'/c, { a b c d e f g

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi all, Even more to the (semantic?) point, the following two are IDENTICAL with respect to pitch: \version "2.11.37" \include "english.ly" musicClef = \relative { \clef "treble" f e d c \clef "treble_8" bf a g f } musicOct = \relative { f e d c #(set-octavat

Re: error?

2008-02-27 Thread Wilbert Berendsen
Op woensdag 27 februari 2008, schreef James E. Bailey: > I've got a minor problem. It's incredibly difficult to reproduce > because of how it occurs, but I've got a little screenshot to show it. > http://img3.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/569c91276e.jpg > Basically, the double-sharp is a bit too clo

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Damian leGassick
semantically i completely disagree... ;--) in both cases the written pitches ARE transposed (sound) down an octave, as explicitly indicated by the 8_clef in the version, and the 8vb indication in the second. indeed, the whole raison d'etre of those indications is to show that the displayed

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please hep

2008-02-27 Thread Mark Knoop
Hi Simon, Hope you're enjoying using Lilypond. On Wed, 2008-02-27 at 08:22 -0800, eagle136 wrote: > Hi, > I am a noob to Lilypond and am very impressed until I tried using tuplets > and am getting an error each time. > > The following line within the definition of a melody line context works, >

\book output file name

2008-02-27 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
I'm having two \book blocks to produce a full score file and parts file. Is it possible to suffix each book output filename specifically, instead of the generic "-1", "-2", etc. ? --AT ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://li

Re: \book output file name

2008-02-27 Thread Anh Hai Trinh
I'm having two \book blocks to produce a full score file and parts file. Is it possible to suffix each book output filename specifically, instead of the generic "-1", "-2", etc. ? --AT I figured I should factor out the common stuff and putting the \book block into separate .ly files.

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Damian (et al): semantically i completely disagree... ;--) Excellent! I like a good discussion... =) in the case of a 'transposing at the octave' instrument such as piccolo or double bass, the clef change or 8va/b sign is implied and simply omitted as a convenience. Aside: we (all)

RE:GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Palmer, Ralph
Head tucked in, I venture into the battlefield. + Anh Hai Trinh wrote: I think you are mistaken here, a concert A written in any clef would sound with f = 440Hz, whereas a written concert A with a 8va bracket would sound with f = 880Hz. Anything sounding at a differen

Re: \book output file name

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Anh Hai Trinh wrote: I'm having two \book blocks to produce a full score file and parts file. Is it possible to suffix each book output filename specifically, instead of the generic "-1", "-2", etc. ? --AT I figured I should factor out the common stuff and putting the \book block into

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Damian leGassick
the pragmatic 'what would i look for in the index?' approach is going to have to arbitrate here 1. I would never search for "transposition"; absolutely, i'd look for octave ottava 8va or 8vb Aside: we (all) should immediately stop doing that -- we should start writing ALL instruments

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Trevor Bača
On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Kieren MacMillan < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Damian (et al): > > > semantically i completely disagree... ;--) > > Excellent! I like a good discussion... =) > > > in the case of a 'transposing at the octave' instrument such as > > piccolo or double bass, > > t

Re: Problem with tuplets ... please help

2008-02-27 Thread eagle136
James E. Bailey-2 wrote: > > > On 27.02.2008, at 18:44, Graham Percival wrote: > >> On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 18:29:32 +0100 >> "James E. Bailey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> Another way of answering that is, lilypond uses "english.ly" by >>> default, so unless you specify \include "deutsch.ly

Re: \book output file name

2008-02-27 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb Anh Hai Trinh: > I'm having two \book blocks to produce a full score file and parts file. > Is it possible to suffix each book output filename specifically, instead > of the generic "-1", "-2", etc. ? http://lsr.d

Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
How do I move the text script below the cresc spanner? Setting script-priority do not work. \relative c'' { f^\< g^"Flying!" c f\! } -Rune ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Risto Vääräniemi
On 27/02/2008, Rune Zedeler wrote: > How do I move the text script below the cresc spanner? > Setting script-priority do not work. I've been wondering pretty much the same thing and I ended up using extra-offset, i.e., lowering one thing and raising another. It would be nice to know if there's a

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Rune Zedeler skrev: \relative c'' { f^\< g^"Flying!" c f\! } Whoops forgot to attach image. -Rune <>___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
See section "Vertical collision avoidance" in the 2.11 manual. /Mats Rune Zedeler wrote: Rune Zedeler skrev: \relative c'' { f^\< g^"Flying!" c f\! } ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listin

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Mats Bengtsson skrev: See section "Vertical collision avoidance" in the 2.11 manual. Ah thanks! Perhaps we should think about a better name for that section. The title is correct - it describes how lilypond internally avoids vertical collisions. But when you do not see a collision on your scor

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Rune Zedeler skrev: Perhaps we should think about a better name for that section. Or at least, add a "see also 5.5.5 Vertical collision avoidance" from 1.8.1.2 Text scripts. I think that would do it, actually. -Rune ___ lilypond-user mailing list

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Brett Duncan
Trevor Bača wrote: None of which has anything to do with ottava spanners. Or with "octavated" (caveat: not an English word) clefs. So while both an ottava spanners and an octavated clefs most certainly do effect "octave transposition" (which is absolutely the right phrase here), I would never

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Rune Zedeler wrote: Rune Zedeler skrev: Perhaps we should think about a better name for that section. Or at least, add a "see also 5.5.5 Vertical collision avoidance" from 1.8.1.2 Text scripts. I think that would do it, actually. Then, you should add the corresponding links from all oth

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Graham Percival
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 23:26:19 +0100 Mats Bengtsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rune Zedeler wrote: > > > Rune Zedeler skrev: > > > >> Perhaps we should think about a better name for that section. > > > > > > Or at least, add a "see also 5.5.5 Vertical collision avoidance" > > from 1.8.1.2 Text sc

Re: Fingering inside staff

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
Please read the section on fingering again, especially the part on fingeringOrientations. Note that these only work when the notes are part of a chord. If you want it to happen on a single note, you therefore have to make it a single note chord, such as 8 /Mats Francisco Vila wrote: Hello al

publish separate drum exercises in one pdf file

2008-02-27 Thread ismaehkloa
I am transcribing my daughter's hand written drum exercises into lilypond. I'd love to be able to have each week's exercises on one pdf page. I am working in windows and have problems running lilypond-book (I think). I can do nice individual pdfs and pngs, just not merge them onto one pdf. Exerc

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Mats Bengtsson skrev: Or at least, add a "see also 5.5.5 Vertical collision avoidance" from 1.8.1.2 Text scripts. I think that would do it, actually. Then, you should add the corresponding links from all other objects that appear outside staffs, I don't agree. Section 1.8.1.2 talks about ho

Re: publish separate drum exercises in one pdf file

2008-02-27 Thread Mats Bengtsson
ismaehkloa wrote: I am transcribing my daughter's hand written drum exercises into lilypond. I'd love to be able to have each week's exercises on one pdf page. I am working in windows and have problems running lilypond-book (I think). It shouldn't be any problem. However, you can also do the

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Rune Zedeler skrev: Section 1.8.1.2 talks about how to order scripts vertically. Sorry, I was reading section 1.3.1.1 Articulations and ornamentations thinking that I was reading 1.8.1.2. Silly me. In 1.3.1.1 we have "The vertical ordering of scripts is controlled with ...". I think that fr

Re: Text script below spanner?

2008-02-27 Thread Rune Zedeler
Rune Zedeler skrev: In 1.3.1.1 we have "The vertical ordering of scripts is controlled with ...". I think that from /this/ explanation it would make sense to make a reference to 1.8.1.2. Sorry for the confusion. AAARGH, to 5.5.5. Good night. :-) -Rune ___

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb Brett Duncan: > The term "octave clefs" crops up in many places on the 'Net, An octave clef is something different than an ottava bracket. Botch indicate octavation, but while an ottava bracket (e.g. 8va) applie

time signatures

2008-02-27 Thread James E. Bailey
okay, I'm a little confused. This doesn't work {\clef bass #(set-time-signature 9 8 '(2 3 2 2)) gis8^\<([ fis] [gis a h\!] [a fis] [e d)] } ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

time signature

2008-02-27 Thread James E. Bailey
oh wow, nvm. I should sleep. ___ lilypond-user mailing list lilypond-user@gnu.org http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/lilypond-user

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Damian, agreed, i always use the 8_clefs I will make a point of doing that from now on. (Mostly-)Rhetorical question: I wonder if clefs like "treble_5" would be appropriate for transposing instruments? but, to be fussy, don't you mean 'transposing clefs'? I do! Thanks for the reminde

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Tim Reeves
> in the case of a 'transposing at the octave' instrument such as > piccolo or double bass, > the clef change or 8va/b sign is implied and simply omitted as a > convenience. Aside: we (all) should immediately stop doing that -- we should start writing ALL instruments with "transposed clefs", to

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kieren MacMillan
Hi Tim, it can be confusing figuring out what was meant Agreed -- we (as engravers, and composers) can reduce confusion with a little extra effort. I didn't know bass and piccolo had to do the same thing at times. Not to mention bass clarinet players, percussionists (e.g., crotales),

Scheme variables and chordmode

2008-02-27 Thread Timothy S. Nelson
Hi all. I'm a programmer, but a scheme beginner. I'm using the following code. dostroke = #(define-music-function (parser location chord length) (ly:music? num ber?) #{ \chordmode { e,$length:5.8 }

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread David Fedoruk
I believe the original post asked for how it was *commonly* referred to as. My reply was either transposition or displacement. Neither one of these ways is most or exactly accurate. We should, as I've said before, fall back on the standard reference volumes for music ... those are Harvard Dictionar

Midi problem

2008-02-27 Thread hhpmusic
Hi, I know the Dynamic context created in piano template allows Midi output to play piano pedaling. But when I write piano piece, the Midi can't reflect my pedaling, and the sound is still dry. This is not because of my player, because when I play some Midi files created by other softwares suc

Re: GDP: NR 1.1 comment

2008-02-27 Thread David Fedoruk
Piano music is not the only place to use a GrandStaff is it? Is not a full orchestral score written on a Grand Staff? And the full score of a String Quartet is it not also a Grand Staff? I am not 100% sure I'm right here either. I thought that GrandStaff meant more than one staves bound together b

Re: Midi problem

2008-02-27 Thread David Fedoruk
MIDI doesn't indicate exactly what the instruments will sound like. The exact sounds depend on the General MIDI instruments the person playing the file back has available on their computer. The way the playback sounds to you will not be the way it sounds when it is played back on other computers.

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Kurt Kroon
On 2008/02/16 12:48 PM, "Kurt Kroon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm working on the Glossary for the GDP, and I'm stuck -- so, I'm canvassing > the list. Wow ... it's too bad no one here has any strong opinions on the matter. So, since I started the d*mn thread, I have to wrangle it back to its

Re: GDP: What term do you use?

2008-02-27 Thread Brett Duncan
Reinhold Kainhofer wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am Mittwoch, 27. Februar 2008 schrieb Brett Duncan: The term "octave clefs" crops up in many places on the 'Net, An octave clef is something different than an ottava bracket. Botch indicate octavation, but while an ottav

Additive time signatures (was: GDP ... complex meters)

2008-02-27 Thread Kurt Kroon
> (I'm not sure if one can extend this last one in LilyPond to more complex > examples, like when the numerator is an additive expression, and the > denominator is a single digit, e.g. (3+2+3)/8.) I was mistaken ... it *is* possible to extend the syntax (which seems completely reasonable, in retro