Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

> From: Tim McNamara > > This has perhaps become off-topic and I don?t wish to prolong that; > however, I have to take issue with the idea that ?sus? could somehow > apply to the 7th.> It can?t.> Suspensions specifically apply to > replacing the 3rd with either the 4th or the 2nd (the latter being

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 07:18:52PM -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render > sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things like "G7sus4 > 3??? and the like. What is the correct syntax to get a simple ???Gsus7??? to

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Mon, 2015-01-26 at 18:48 -0600, Tim McNamara wrote: > The main problem for me with “x7sus4” as a chord name is its length; > when there are four chord names in a bar, every character counts in > terms of legibility. There is a patch LilyPond that typesets chord symbols in a compact way. http://

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Elaine, > what is wrong with interpreting that the 7th resolve to a 6th? That seems > pretty coherent. Agreed! I see absolutely nothing wrong with that, and didn’t intend to imply otherwise. I was just pointing out that applying consistent assumptions about voice-leading and traditional su

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Kevin, > it is possible for the 7th to be a suspension, for example the inganno > interruption (found in fugues and the like) produces a suspended seventh that > usually resolves to a 6th. Indeed, most [classical] music theory texts include entire sections of chapters devoted to this suspen

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Elaine, > IMHO, it is far, far, *far* Three “fars”… that’s pretty far. =) > worse to play a C major triad when a C7sus4 is specified than to play a Csus4 > and omit the 7th. Did you even read what I wrote before replying? This is what I actually wrote: > it’s more important to play (e.g.,

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Elaine, > Precisely my point: we DON'T have a dominant chord here. The starting > assumption is wrong. To every player I’ve ever played with — and that’s a lot, in both jazz and musical theatre bands — the chord is a dominant 7th with alteration. > Yet, when this symbol is "sus", you want

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Kevin, > This allows for two possible interpretations of the same symbol, which is why > it is preferable to specify the chord (C7) and the suspension (sus or sus4) > separately: putting the `sus' in between `C' and `7' makes it unclear whether > it applies to the seventh or to the fourth. [

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Tim, > I find that when I give musicians lead sheets done by the Roemer-Brandt > standards I never get any question about what any chord means. I used to use the triangle — which I personally love for its compactness and clarity — but I got so many questions about what it meant that I finall

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: > I have to take issue with the idea that “sus” could somehow apply to the > 7th. It can’t. Suspensions specifically apply to replacing the 3rd with > either the 4th or the 2nd (the latter being rare except in folk music > played on guitar i

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On 27/01/15 11:48 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: The main problem for me with “x7sus4” as a chord name is its length; when there are four chord names in a bar, every character counts in terms of legibility. Things can get crowded fast. (This came up in preparing a chart for the Vince Guaraldi song “

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

This has perhaps become off-topic and I don’t wish to prolong that; however, I have to take issue with the idea that “sus” could somehow apply to the 7th. It can’t. Suspensions specifically apply to replacing the 3rd with either the 4th or the 2nd (the latter being rare except in folk music pl

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 10:57 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine < ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote: > (Also, what is wrong with interpreting that the 7th resolve to a 6th? > That seems pretty coherent.) This allows for two possible interpretations of the same symbol, which is why it is preferable to s

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Kieren MacMillan < kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca> wrote: > Hi all, > > On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine < > ela...@flaminghakama.com> wrote: > > why I personally prefer the sus7 notation (besides economy with no lack > of clarity) > > I disagre

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi all, On Jan 26, 2015, at 3:12 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote: > why I personally prefer the sus7 notation (besides economy with no lack of > clarity) I disagree about the lack of clarity: >From C7sus4, I infer that we have a C7 chord (i.e., dominant 7th) with a >suspension at the 4th

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On 27/01/15 6:15 AM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Johan Vromans > wrote: On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:18:52 -0600 Tim McNamara mailto:tim...@bitstream.net>> wrote: I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render sus7 chor

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

> From: Johan Vromans > Subject: Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode > > To not answer your question: I would not use Gsus7 since it is ambiguous. > Gsus4 (or Gsus) has a suspended 4th, Gsus2 has a suspended 2nd, so Gsus7 > makes you think that the 7th is suspended -- which is not

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

> On Jan 26, 2015, at 1:32 AM, Johan Vromans wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:18:52 -0600 > Tim McNamara wrote: > >> I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly >> render sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things >> like "G7sus4 3” and the like.

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

Hi Johan, > To not answer your question: I would not use Gsus7 since it is ambiguous. > Gsus4 (or Gsus) has a suspended 4th, Gsus2 has a suspended 2nd, so Gsus7 > makes you think that the 7th is suspended -- which is not the case. > > G7sus (or G7sus4) is the unambiguous way to express this chord

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On Sun, 25 Jan 2015 19:18:52 -0600 Tim McNamara wrote: > I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly > render sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things > like "G7sus4 3” and the like. What is the correct syntax to get a simple > “Gsus7” to print? To

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

\version "2.18.0" \include "english.ly" %{ I will try to be careful here since last time I offered help with chords I got mercilessly flamed. There are two stages of lilypond chords: input and formatting. o If either one is incorrect, you won't get what you want. o If one of them is cor

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

On 26/01/15 1:16 PM, Tim McNamara wrote: On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Thomas Morley wrote: 2015-01-26 2:18 GMT+01:00 Tim McNamara : I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things like "G7sus4 3” and t

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

> On Jan 25, 2015, at 7:44 PM, Thomas Morley wrote: > > 2015-01-26 2:18 GMT+01:00 Tim McNamara : >> I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render >> sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things like "G7sus4 >> 3” and the like. What is the correc

Re: sus7 chords in \chordmode

2015-01-26 2:18 GMT+01:00 Tim McNamara : > I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render > sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things like "G7sus4 > 3” and the like. What is the correct syntax to get a simple “Gsus7” to > print? I’ve tried ever

sus7 chords in \chordmode

I have repeatedly run into difficulties getting Lilypond to properly render sus7 chord names in \chordmode. It comes up with silly things like "G7sus4 3” and the like. What is the correct syntax to get a simple “Gsus7” to print? I’ve tried every combination I can think of. (By the way, I a