ng parties in their respective and figuratively-collective
pedal extremities.
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rick@linu The neat thing is this:-- Za
It might meet your needs, or maybe not. It does not reserve
the monopoly over commercial use you mentioned in your four points.
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Rick Moen Everything about it is appealing, everything about it is a
lios-booth
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Voting
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r its
Board elections. (Not urgent; I'm mostly just curious.)
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"Heedless of grammar, they all cried 'It's him!'"
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tails about how OSI votes for Board elections, e.g., FPtP vs.
some flavour of ranked-choice, and so on, it would warm the heart of this
voting-algorithm geek. (Again, I apologise if this has already been
covered.)
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6 + 82) / (224 + 198 + 137 + 92 + 82 + 67 + 60 + 56 + 39 + 36 + 36 + 13 + 7 +
7 + 7)
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quit
Liten-Datamaskin:~ rick$
(What can I say? I remain an incurable empiricist.)
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em
short of writing a from-scratch replacement (which is what happened in
April 2005; see: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/vcs.html#git ).
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Rick Moenjust a good idea. It's the
s and being ignored, I don't see why it
> is wrong to wonder if there is something different going on here than is
> being publicly claimed.
Fair points, well articulated.
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about twenty hours later the same
day, without any response to my critique, or yours, or a number of
others'. I'm not rushing, here, to any conclusions (let alone
uncharitable ones) as to the reason why: I merely note the sequence of
events.
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Rick Moen "The
just as good, for public purposes --
feigned.)
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r...@lin
ny of those groups had lost its bearings if it suddenly
started trying to peremptorally short 'evil people' on rights and
privileges (or responsibilities, either). But obviously Views Differ[tm].
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down OSD#6 ('No
Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor') if elected to OSI's Board in
service of ideological goals seems to have drawn most of the attention,
but my point is that that's the smallest part of the matter.
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Cheers, "Maybe the law a
a project's Code of Conduct or a similar place, not in a
licence text. IMO, he should have listened then.
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rovider's technical staff, but,
with some luck, they would not refuse. (Mindful of Pam's request to
please be nice, I'll not elaborate on what rightfully should be done
concerning hosting providers who refuse. ;-> )
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codebase under your/my
supervision, anyone objecting to your/my policy is free to ignore that
policy and act differently concerning that person's own code instance
and develop it differently.
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I belatedly noticed this subthread from a few days back, which happily
helps angle back to software licensing and OSI:
Quoting Eric S. Raymond (e...@thyrsus.com):
> No, it wasn't. Believe me, I did a *very* through audit on existing
> usage at the time I proposed the term for general use in 1998
ing on the differences here because that sort
of geeky metadiscussion wouldn't help the noise problem even a bit.
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ectly by mailing list regulars.)
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Cheers, "Why doesn't anyone invite copyeditors to parties,
Rick Moen when we're such cool people out with whom to hang?"
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anagement speaks for a
codebase. Which is exactly what open source avoids.
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[1] If interested in this history, see my coverage for _Linux Gazette_:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/exhibit-b.html
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/exhibit-b-more.html
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Rick Moenone we got, and wi
tps://wwahammy.com/on-safety-at-libreplanet/
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the merits of MIT
Licence exactly the way it is, and not seek to create a semi-clone with
unwise modifications made for unwise reasons.
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Rick Moen when we'
f via an OSCON keynote), the third one (Microsoft
Reference License, Ms-RL) omitting rights of modification and
redistribution, intended e.g., for reference copies of software libs --
obviously not open source.
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Rick
Quoting gameonli...@redchan.it (gameonli...@redchan.it):
> I am a lawyer.
[...]
> And yes IAAL.
Well, hello again, MikeeUSA!
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Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back
Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors ha
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com):
> Please no longer answer him here.
17 years ago on this very mailing list, a remarkably similar thread
inspired contributor Tobia Conforto to post a very useful procmail
filter, usable by individual subscribers to filter both postings
from specific
Quoting Pamela Chestek (pam...@chesteklegal.com):
> Not sure what any of this has to do with software licensing
Point taken, and course corrected.
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Quoting Bruce Perens via License-discuss (license-discuss@lists.opensource.org):
> You're a bit over the top, regarding Ruby on Rails. And if you are bothered
> by the performance or resource use, consider converting the code to Crystal.
Oh, I don't know about over the top. There's not a single
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de):
> I will not use the Debian-provided Gitlab even for Debian packages
> if I can avoid it, both because I’m
> by their badly coordinated move and because of its proprietaryness.
Anyone's GitLab is also (IMVAO) grossly overengineered. From my own
Operatio
I'll follow Christopher's good example, and also try to cut to the
chase.
Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
(license-discuss@lists.opensource.org):
> Except that we don’t need a representative number. If use cannot be
> found, that would not imply there isn’t any. I certain
Quoting John Cowan (co...@ccil.org):
> A basically volunteer agency like OSI "self-hosts" when someone volunteers
> to host for them. When that volunteer loses interest, the "self-hosting"
> goes away.
Failover is a thing, isn't it?
Let me tell you a story. I'm a longtime volunteer with a loca
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com):
> Somehow a decision will be made eventually here despite accusations of
> "strange personal rhetoric" in Rick's 2019 email that he formatted as "plain
> text." Even HTML is still suspicious to some people, but I changed Rick's
> message to HTML format
Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
(license-discuss@lists.opensource.org):
> I didn’t say he did. He commented on a potential lack of public
> hosting as grounds for “absolutely not even [coming] close to checking
> whether a license is in use”. I commented on the general not
Quoting Christopher Sean Morrison via License-discuss
(license-discuss@lists.opensource.org):
> Code under an Open Source license that is not publicly available might
> as well not be.
Objection: Thorsten didn't speak of code that lacks public
availability.
> If it’s not publicly available a
Quoting Luis Villa (l...@lu.is):
> [1] who did not notice my "basic internet 101" subject change ;)
What I _actually_ said was that just editing the Subject header (and
preferably also deleting In-Reply-To so that mailers doing real
threading pick up the change) is 'Internet 101' as a method to..
osted software,
so if that's the criterion OSI wants to apply, then outsourcing will
automatically win, every time.
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t.
Speaking for myself, if I were to outsource, especially to a
third-party-hosted Ember.js, Javascript, and Ruby on Rails application
so complex that I couldn't administer it anyway, I'd feel I had weakened
the open source message quite a bit.
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Cheers, "
Quoting Henrik Ingo (henrik.i...@avoinelama.fi):
> I can of course only speak for myself, but I don't think the above is
> the right conclusion at all. Recent mailing list discussion seems to
> have made the point that adhering to precedent is hard, when in most
> cases the process does not produc
Quoting McCoy Smith (mccoy.sm...@intel.com):
> The problem with "grandfathering" such licenses is that they can be
> used as precedent for new license submitters as to why their non-OSD
> compliant licenses must also be approved.
Several recent posters to this thread (including now you) have decr
umentation about the withdrawal including the present one
in the OSI FAQ (https://opensource.org/faq#cc-zero) ought to cross-link to
that exact URL for the full context.
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ttle and installing PaleMoon or ungoogled-chromium.
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Rick Moen Everything about it is appealing, everything about it is a wow.
rick@linux Let out all that a-priori feeling, you've been concea
Ah, the perfidious typo.
> So, you don't actually agree with what I said, but you're arguing anyway.
^ disagree
Darn, stepped on my own line.
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folks are trying to reach users where they actually
> read and write.
So, you don't actually agree with what I said, but you're arguing
anyway. It's almost like you're one of my lawyer friends. ;->
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Quoting Kevin P. Fleming (kevin+...@km6g.us):
> As a regular Discourse user, I can say that this is one *huge* benefit
> of that tool over regular mailing lists: threads can be split off into
> separate topics, so that readers and others can follow the topics they
> care about and don't have to wa
¡Hola! Please note:
> To: "Tzeng, Nigel H."
> Cc: Bruce Perens ,
> License submissions for OSI review
> ,
> "license-discuss@lists.opensource.org"
>
To paraphrase the illustrious Jamie Zawinski's famous jibe about awk, 'A
man once had a problem with a contentiou
Quoting Russell McOrmond (russellmcorm...@gmail.com):
> The OSI as an organisation is free to determine its own objectives.
> Whether they are in-line with what other people consider to be the
> real-world objectives of software freedom can and does change over time.
[scratches head]
I'm honestl
Tom's evergreen
guideline: '1) Thou shalt not excessively annoy others. 2) Thou shalt
not be too easily annoyed.') Truer words, and all that.
-- Rick Moen
emeritus sysop/owner/builder, 1:125/27@FidoNet,
The Skeptic's Board BBS (1988-1994)
(which ran a
Quoting Russell McOrmond (russellmcorm...@gmail.com):
[some well-thought-out observations, ending with:]
> While I have been very active in the Free Software movement since the
> early 1990's, I'm not an active participant in the OSI lists partly
> because this list gives me the impression the sh
ouncement, thus sending me
a direct offlist copy plus one (inappropriately) onlist that lands in
the admin queue, I won't inattentively reply-all and accidentally commit
noise on-list, not noticing the svlug-announce target.
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exactly what I said does, as to use in those circumstances.
(Horses for courses, though. As Flanders and Swann put it, IIRC,
everyone gets his own gout.)
[1] § 1-201(b)(10), https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/1/1-201
§ 2-316(2), https://www.law.cornell.edu/ucc/2/2-316
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r use in
current implementations. I respectfully differ. (However, on further
examination, I see that the remark concerns other parts of son-of-RFC
1036 that are more-evidently obsolete and problematic.)
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ah! Yes, quite so.
> My confusion is rapidly waxing
> For XML Schema's too taxing:
> I'd use DTDs / If they had local trees --
> I think I best switch to RELAX NG.
You're about to get another entry in
http://linuxmafia.com/pub/humour/sigs-rickmoen.html, I'll ha
Quoting Lawrence Rosen (lro...@rosenlaw.com):
> > Today, I declare that a codebase is 2-clause BSD licensed.
>
> As you have the obvious right to do.
>
> But as someone recently reminded me, and I remind this list, the OSI charter
> includes the obligation to "educate the public about open sour
uding as to blind spots and errors). Thanks. (On the
other hand, if I'm only belabouring the obvious, apologies for that.)
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Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet
r...@linu
Quoting Michael Downey (mich...@downey.net):
[about whether a CDCK contract is entailed for public use of a
CDCK-hosted Discourse instance:]
> No, they are not. Only subject to whatever terms of service the
> application operator, e.g., OSI, wants to place.
>
> Just like no one is entering int
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de):
[GPLv2 Discourse codebase:]
> I’ve not looked at it, but many “open core” are not Free Software:
> they often reject patches that add features because they would
> reduce the “added value” of the commercial version, and some even
> strip comments or, wors
Quoting Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de):
> Rick Moen dixit:
>
> >I appreciate your speaking, Kevin. I continue to be curious about
> >whether users would be expected to enter a contractual relationship with
> [ any third party ]
> >in order to participate.
>
&g
e corporation in
NYC; we just wanted to participate with LDP.
So, I am curious: To participate with OSI on a hope-for CDCK-hosted,
outsourced Discourse instance, would contributors need to enter into a
contractual relationship with for-profit corporation CDCK? (I cannot
help notice Luis replied
ed Discourse instance, rather than OSI outsourcing
that initiative, and implicitly requiring contributors to enter into a
contractual relationsihip with a for-profit El Cerrito, California
corporation.
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-aggressive
gamesmanship -- but said that _if_ there is a perceived problem of lack
of clarity as to who is entitled to speak, collectively, for OSI, then
the obvious remedy is identification.)
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not easily distinguished from
that interpretation.
(Oh: Wiews expressed are mine and in no way speak for OSI, with whom I
have no institutional connection.)
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Quoting Johnny A. Solbu (joh...@solbu.net):
> On Tuesday 22 January 2019 21:31, Nicholas Matthew Neft Weinstock wrote:
> > My e-mail isn’t adding reply bars. I’m going to put my responses in blue,
> > I apologize that this will likely impact readability for some members of
> > the list.
>
> Th
y distinctive to open source (let alone
(A)GPL3 workds): Any copyright-covered use of material under
third-party copyright title raises it.
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Rick Moen
now it but restricts service wrapping,...
...then OSI will have declined to declare existence of a noonday
midnight, or a squared circle.
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that OSI Certified licences that really shouldn't have
been approved aren't a lingering problem, but I'd call it a small one.
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Quoting Thorsten Glaser (t...@mirbsd.de):
> The MIT licence itself requires others who distribute the work to
> include a copy of the licence, so, to easen their job, you really
> should include the full licence body with the work.
Copyright owner may explitly waive any requirement. E.g., this c
Damn that copy'n'paste for its excessive accuracy. I meant:
> So, just state as copyright holder that the work is available under the
> terms of licence A starting $DATE1, and also state as copyright holder
> that the work is available under the terms of licence A starting $DATE2.
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Cheers, "I am a member of a civilization (IAAMOAC). Step back
Rick Moenfrom anger. Study how awful our ancestors had it, yet
r...@linuxmafia.com they struggled to get you here. Repay them by appreciating
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Quoting B Galliart (bgal...@gmail.com):
> A couple months ago, I evaluated Pritunl, the "Open Source Enterprise
> Distributed OpenVPN and IPsec Server"
[...]
> (1) What advocacy information does the Open Source Initiative provide which
> indicates it is possible to protect the commercial viabilit
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