Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread Jean Charles Passard
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:07:38PM +0200, George Makrydakis wrote: > >> Cross platform code runs everywhere. >> > > Um, yeah (at least in theory), but does that actually help? See the > question below that you didn't answer: > > >>> But what does running it on a W

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread George Makrydakis
On Monday 03 March 2008 22:00:39 George Makrydakis wrote: > On Monday 03 March 2008 20:57:48 Bryan Kadzban wrote: > [snip] > It's irrelevant to what I was saying, yes. I wasn't saying "we should > let users read from any OS/browser/whatever" on its own. I was saying > it, leading into the pare

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread George Makrydakis
On Monday 03 March 2008 20:57:48 Bryan Kadzban wrote: > On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:07:38PM +0200, George Makrydakis wrote: > > Cross platform code runs everywhere. > > Um, yeah (at least in theory), but does that actually help? See the > > question below that you didn't answer: > > > But what does

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread Bryan Kadzban
On Mon, Mar 03, 2008 at 04:07:38PM +0200, George Makrydakis wrote: > Cross platform code runs everywhere. Um, yeah (at least in theory), but does that actually help? See the question below that you didn't answer: > > But what does running it on a Windows box actually gain us, that > > presenting

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread George Makrydakis
On Monday 03 March 2008 16:07:38 George Makrydakis wrote: > Writing the same in C++ uses 10% of these features if not less and its power shines when you do not use it as a C superset. to : Writing the same in C++ uses 10% of the LANGUAGE FEATURES if not less and its power shines when you do not

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-03 Thread George Makrydakis
On Monday 03 March 2008 05:03:56 Bryan Kadzban wrote: > George Makrydakis wrote: > > First of all, Joe Sixpack is David's term. > > Yeah, I know that... > > > Second, I did not use Windows before Linux :) > > I'm not talking about you. I do know that, but I also wanted to make it clear > I'm talki

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-02 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 George Makrydakis wrote: > First of all, Joe Sixpack is David's term. Yeah, I know that... > Second, I did not use Windows before Linux :) I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about the people that you seem to want to use your program - -- t

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-02 Thread George Makrydakis
On Sunday 02 March 2008 21:33:42 Bryan Kadzban wrote: > I think it's a really bad idea for us to specifically try to teach > anything to Joe Sixpack that's never even used Linux. Note I'm not > saying that everyone who uses LFS had used Linux before they started -- > but those that didn't are mos

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-02 Thread Bryan Kadzban
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 George Makrydakis wrote: > On Sunday 02 March 2008 02:02:23 David Jensen wrote: >> George Makrydakis wrote: >>> You know what? This can work on windows as well. >> LOL, and joe-sixpack visits LFS and clicks install ubuntu clone >> now! > > What i

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-02 Thread George Makrydakis
On Sunday 02 March 2008 02:02:23 David Jensen wrote: > George Makrydakis wrote: > > You know what? This can work on windows as well. > > LOL, and joe-sixpack visits LFS and clicks install ubuntu clone now! What is the lol about? Since when it was impossible to compile cross - platform compatible

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread David Jensen
George Makrydakis wrote: > You know what? This can work on windows as well. LOL, and joe-sixpack visits LFS and clicks install ubuntu clone now! --- David Jensen -- http://linuxfromscratch.org/mailman/listinfo/lfs-dev FAQ: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/faq/ Unsubscribe: See the above informat

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread George Makrydakis
On Saturday 01 March 2008 22:51:30 Dave Wheeler wrote: > On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, George Makrydakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This means that the entire design should focus on the fact that you are > > dealing with a database by itself, not a book. > > Seems like a much simpler soluti

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread Dave Wheeler
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, George Makrydakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This means that the entire design should focus on the fact that you are > dealing with a database by itself, not a book. Seems like a much simpler solution would be to transform the book into something else an automate

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread George Makrydakis
On Saturday 01 March 2008 20:21:19 David Jensen wrote: > George Makrydakis wrote: > > Actually, what is necessary is to have a system that deals with > > dependency resolution outside and over any package manager involved in > > this process, for obvious reasons. Transforming the content from a new

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread David Jensen
George Makrydakis wrote: > Actually, what is necessary is to have a system that deals with dependency > resolution outside and over any package manager involved in this process, for > obvious reasons. Transforming the content from a new "book" format into RPM, > DEB, TGZ or requires a system co

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread George Makrydakis
On Saturday 01 March 2008 18:07:59 David Jensen wrote: > TheOldFellow wrote: > > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:41 -0700 > > > > Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > >> program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread David Jensen
TheOldFellow wrote: > On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:41 -0700 > Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive >> program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. > > > I like this. > > The design could be quite difficult a

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-03-01 Thread TheOldFellow
On Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:06:41 -0700 Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. I like this. The design could be quite difficult as it probably will need to run in a nu

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread Alan Lord
DJ Lucas wrote: > > OK, so a more pronounced idea has been expressed, and I do like where > it's going. Now where to start? Proposals to solidify those ideas? > > But I think this should have waited...one thing at a time here. I'm > kind of thinking that it's easiest to start from the packa

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: Oops, I forgot to touch on this: > However, with the current BLFS policy on the default ./configure line > (don't include swiches that rely on optional dependencies), any kind > of standartized common automation procedure is likely to fail. That policy will simply no

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread DJ Lucas
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > IOW: one has to see reasons for all dependencies, and the associated > problems, _before_ starting the installation. > The PM would have to account for required and optional dependencies, and tell you what each provides and any pitfalls. Ugh...my thoughts on

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread DJ Lucas
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. > > It starts with running the LFS program (be it a real program or > collection of scripts). What is now the LFS book is on-screen instead. > Y

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/2/28, J. Greenlees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > > Correct, that's a way to deliver information. It does work for a > > single author. However, here you are wandering into the unexplored > > territory of collaborated video editing. > > > not really, collaborative vid

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread J. Greenlees
Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > 2008/2/28, J. Greenlees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Ok, how about something completely different then, go multimedia in a >> lot of the presentation of information. >> recordmydesktop, and the gtk interface for it will create ogg video >> clips of what you are doing on

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/2/28, J. Greenlees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Ok, how about something completely different then, go multimedia in a > lot of the presentation of information. > recordmydesktop, and the gtk interface for it will create ogg video > clips of what you are doing on your desktop, with audio track for

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread J. Greenlees
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. > > It starts with running the LFS program (be it a real program or > collection of scripts). What is now the LFS book is on-screen instead. > Y

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread Alan Lord
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > > Think outside the current HTML box for a minute. Not for technical > reasons but convenience. I've been wondering for a while if there's a > case to be made for seeing installation output and the book's > (replacement) text in the same window. I can see this be a nic

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-28 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/2/28, Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I've been wondering for a while if there's a > case to be made for seeing installation output and the book's > (replacement) text in the same window. I can see this be a nice change > for installation modes where you are text-only. Blind people

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/2/28, Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I think it is a bad idea to force interactivity for a program, > > especially for those who are not first-time visitors. > > > My counter-argument: turn it off when it's not desired. It's not that > hard to stop a program from showing output you

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread Gerard Beekmans
> I think it is a bad idea to force interactivity for a program, > especially for those who are not first-time visitors. My counter-argument: turn it off when it's not desired. It's not that hard to stop a program from showing output you don't want (anymore). > However, with the current BLFS pol

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread Alexander E. Patrakov
2008/2/28, Gerard Beekmans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. > > It starts with running the LFS program (be it a real program or > collection of scripts). What is now the LFS book i

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread Aaron Matsumoto
All: For what it's worth (been building LFS for a couple of years now and only very recently started posting to LFS-DEV as a way of "paying back"), I always thought that the educational goals of LFS were it's strongest points. There is value in what you propose, however there will and should alwa

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread George Makrydakis
On Thursday 28 February 2008 01:06:41 Gerard Beekmans wrote: > What if LFS wasn't in book form anymore. What if it's an interactive > program instead. A 100% merge of LFS, BLFS, ALFS, LFS. This requires a glue point (book, and non book - form). You will have that. But does your LFS actually _exc

Re: What if the book wasn't a book anymore

2008-02-27 Thread Jeremy Huntwork
Gerard Beekmans wrote: > Just some more food for thoughts. While we're discussing let's also take > the time to think outside the box. Abandon, at least in theory, anything > that is currently LFS, pre-conceived notions and otherwise, and see what > happens when we re-invent LFS and the way we d