Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-06 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> Bryan Kadzban wrote: Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Seriously, I don't believe in multiboot. If I can't build a > 64-bit version of a package, then I don't need it. I should > be able to put libraries in the directories I

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Bryan Kadzban wrote: >>> Bruce Dubbs wrote: Seriously, I don't believe in multiboot. If I can't build a 64-bit version of a package, then I don't need it. I should be able to put libraries in the directories I want. >>> Well, you are, of

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-05 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> Bruce Dubbs wrote: >>> Seriously, I don't believe in multiboot. If I can't build a >>> 64-bit version of a package, then I don't need it. I should be >>> able to put libraries in the directories I want. >> Well, you are, of course, but this appears to

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-05 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Seriously, I don't believe in multiboot. If I can't build a 64-bit >> version of a package, then I don't need it. I should be able to put >> libraries in the directories I want. > > Well, you are, of course, but this appears to be nothing more than > f

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-04 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Seriously, I don't believe in multiboot. If I can't build a 64-bit > version of a package, then I don't need it. I should be able to put > libraries in the directories I want. Well, you are, of course, but this appears to be nothing more than fallout from violating the assu

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Armin K.
On 04.10.2012 03:10, Ken Moffat wrote: > This time, I've looked at *all* my notes. Some are now so old that > I cannot determine whether a system was x86_64 or i686, and some of > those x86_64 systems were from clfs because LFS didn't support > x86_64 in those days. My attempts to remove the .

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: > Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> Example: >> >> libtool: link: warning: `/usr/lib64/libxml2.la' seems to be moved >> >> This is caused by the symlink /usr/lib64 -> /usr/lib > > Oh. Have you tried not doing that? ...Sorry, could not resist. :-P LOL. Seriously, I don't believe in mu

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: > >>> We can add that to Section 6.64 - Stripping Again. What I've >>> found is that I get a lot of warning messages and sometimes >>> failures when packages try to use the .la files, but just >>> removing them seems to fix things up without causing other

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Wed, Oct 03, 2012 at 05:47:27PM +0200, Henrik /KaarPoSoft wrote: > > This was actually much more painless than I had expected; in contrast, > updating to a new version of gcc or gnome is 10-20 times more work (not > to mention upgrading Python, which seems like a project for a lifetime). >

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Ken Moffat
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 06:42:40PM -0500, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. > My initial feeling was very negative - it doesn't seem to affect me (/usr has always been part of / rather than separate on all my buil

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Henrik /KaarPoSoft
On 10/03/12 01:42, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. I have rolled my own distro based on LFS+BLFS, and then merged root and /usr. This was actually much more painless than I had expected; in contrast, updating to

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Henrik /KaarPoSoft
On 10/03/12 16:13, William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: > >> I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. > > Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. > How about --prefix=/ or PRE

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Henrik /KaarPoSoft
On 10/03/12 03:27, William Harrington wrote: > On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the >> root >> directories and /usr. >> >> If the usr merge is going to happen, just add systemd to core LFS >> while you are at it. >> >

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Baho Utot
On 10/03/2012 11:25 AM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > Bryan Kadzban wrote: > >>> While I'm at it, should we remove *.la files in the libraries: >>> >>> find /usr/lib -name \*.la -delete >> As a person who sometimes writes code against libraries in LFS, I'd >> rather not. But this might fall into the same c

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: > >> I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. > > Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. > How about --prefix=/ or PREFIX= for make? Esthetically, I'd prefer t

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Bryan Kadzban wrote: >> While I'm at it, should we remove *.la files in the libraries: >> >> find /usr/lib -name \*.la -delete > > As a person who sometimes writes code against libraries in LFS, I'd > rather not. But this might fall into the same category as removing > static libs, or stripping d

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread William Harrington
On Oct 3, 2012, at 6:43 AM, g@free.fr wrote: I similary think that merging /usr could simplify the build process. Hmm that is a good point. I would say don't merge or have usr at all. How about --prefix=/ or PREFIX= for make? Also, for system overrides, what do we do with /usr/local ?

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-03 Thread g . esp
- Mail original - > De: "Bruce Dubbs" > À: "LFS Developers Mailinglist" > Envoyé: Mercredi 3 Octobre 2012 01:42:40 > Objet: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories > ... > As far as I can tell, everything should work as before, but we

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Bryan Kadzban
Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete system: > > 22M /lib > 4.9M/bin > 7.6M/sbin > 1.4G/usr/lib > 300M/usr/bin > 15M /usr/sbin > > It seems like the

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Armin K.
On 03.10.2012 01:42, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete system: > > 22M /lib > 4.9M/bin > 7.6M/sbin > 1.4G/usr/lib > 300M/usr/bin > 15M /usr/sbin > >

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread William Harrington
On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> > > How small are the drives you are actually using? If a drive fails, > can > a new one be purchased? I guess so. The smallest I can find is 80 GB > for $16, but it would probably cost almost as much for the 5.25 > adapter > to 3.5. Also,

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
William Harrington wrote: > > On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > >> I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the >> root >> directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete >> system: >> >> 22M /lib >> 4.9M/bin >> 7.6M/sbin >> 1.4G

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread William Harrington
On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the > root > directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete > system: > > 22M /lib > 4.9M/bin > 7.6M/sbin > 1.4G/usr/lib > 300M/usr/bin > 15M

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
Baho Utot wrote: > On 10/02/2012 07:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: >> I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root >> directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete system: >> >> 22M /lib >> 4.9M/bin >> 7.6M/sbin >> 1.4G/usr/lib >> 300M/us

Re: [lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Baho Utot
On 10/02/2012 07:42 PM, Bruce Dubbs wrote: > I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root > directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete system: > > 22M /lib > 4.9M/bin > 7.6M/sbin > 1.4G/usr/lib > 300M/usr/bin > 15M /usr/sbin >

[lfs-dev] RFC Combining /usr with root directories

2012-10-02 Thread Bruce Dubbs
I am wondering about making a change to LFS to combine some of the root directories and /usr. Looking at the sizes on a fairly complete system: 22M /lib 4.9M/bin 7.6M/sbin 1.4G/usr/lib 300M/usr/bin 15M /usr/sbin It seems like the space needed for /usr is really not that