Re: [issues] women in computing article

2000-04-14 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Beverly Guillermo wrote: > > Computer Science, in my point of view, is supposed to be theoretical > aspects of computing. All practical applications is left to the IS majors > and everyone else. =) > > I actually like looking at the theories. I've got ideas on how to improve > things that aren

Re: [issues] That clothes thread...

2000-04-14 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Caitlyn Máire Martin wrote: > > Hi, everyone, > > I had to tear into our e-mail server today. It's at the top of the rack, > so I had to do it up on a ladder. (Yes, I'm short.) I'm sure glad I am > wearing jeans, and not a skirt or a dress. Could you imagine being up on a > ladder in a skirt

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

2000-06-09 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
thomas sjogren wrote: > > "Facing a Man's World - Female Hackers Battle Sexism to Get Ahead" > > The experience of women at the entry levels of the hacking scene, mostly in online >chat groups, is one of relentless sexual harassment. It is a hard battle for women to >be respected in a culture

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

2000-06-09 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
"Fan, Laurel" wrote: > > Susannah Rosenberg, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > > bleah. silly, silly, *silly* article. who *cares* if a bunch of > > criminals and criminal-wannabes are sexist? > > This is just one instance in the larger issue of widespread >

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

2000-06-12 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > On Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:56:39 +0100 (GMT), Alice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > >As esr wrote in the cathedral and > >the bazaar a lot of open source software development can be traced to > >gaining peer approval (as well as the scratch an itch stuff). > > I don't buy

Re: [issues] "Female Hackers Battle Sexism [...]"

2000-06-13 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Snarfblat wrote: > > There was an interesting discussion brought up in this thread > that made me wonder... > > At what point is flirting / sexual attraction / et all perceived > as sexism? What factors indicate whether it is more towards a > sexist annoyance, or an uninvited advance... I perc

Re: [issues] Re: Re: Does Jane Compute

2000-04-07 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
noproblem wrote: i agree that geekiness is becoming attractive. however, it's becoming attractive because of _money_. and in a lot of cases, while (hetero) women want a man who can support and provide for them... men still want to be "the head of the household". the economic attraction isn'

Re: [issues] Re: Re: Does Jane Compute

2000-04-07 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Susannah Rosenberg wrote: > > > i agree that geekiness is becoming attractive. however, it's > > becoming attractive because of _money_. > > > > and in a lot of cases, while (hetero) women want a man who can s

Re: [issues] My bad writing in "Re: Does Jane Compute"

2000-04-10 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
curious wrote: > > > Doug Vogt wrote: > > > > > > You can certainly be irritated by the attention that Playboy's Playmate > > > of the Month steals. > > > > This line clarified something I specifically wanted to refute. > > > > There /appears/ to be an underlying theme in your argument that > > '

Re: [issues] My bad writing in "Re: Does Jane Compute"

2000-04-10 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > > > Because it's incorrect, and traditionally the burden of 'desireability' > > is on females. > > > > Not everyone tries to make themselves desirable to those they're > > sexually interested in; at least, not consciously. > > Some of us have made a deliberate point of be

Re: [issues] My bad writing in "Re: Does Jane Compute"

2000-04-10 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
quoting srl: > > *nod* i've found that being "one of the guys"--- wearing jeans or khakis, > > sport shirts (cotton, non-flannel), and boots--- gets me places with > > technical people that I wouldn't get if i dressed more "feminine". > > I've discussed this with my butch acquaintances and th

Re: [issues] My bad writing in "Re: Does Jane Compute"

2000-04-11 Thread Susannah Rosenberg
Doug Vogt wrote: > > My fear is that temporal myopia (the propensity not to see trends from > the past to extrapolate into the future) would combine with > intimidations now. I think that women who are competent with computers > perceive disdain from others and also see in others the high levels