Re: [HILLGANG] September Hillgang Meeting

2018-12-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
echoed to bit.listserv.*, but you should always reply to the list rather than to the news group if you want your post to be seen by all subscribers. These are some, but by no means all, of the lists hosted on listserv: IBM-MAIN ISPF-L JES2-L MVS-OE MVS-UTIL RACF-L TSO-REXX -- Shmuel (Seymour J

Re: IND$FILE -- where did the name come from?

2018-12-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
I believe that he's using a different meaning of client, e.g., customer. IND$FILE, SFTP and WSA are all easier to use for people who are not at home with the Eunix utilities. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Main

Re: Examples of roll your own "LIKE()" for data sets?

2018-12-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
No; you get the extents as allocated, not as requested. Then there's the EAV issue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dm

Re: Examples of roll your own "LIKE()" for data sets?

2018-12-05 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Used to be the custom. "No, No, No, it ain't me Babe. I'm not the one you're thinking of." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin

Re: Jean Sammet — Designer of COBOL – A Computer of One’s Own – Medium

2018-12-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Keep in mind that COBOL came from the short range committee at CODASYL; it was never intended to be around for more than a few years. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom

Re: Jean Sammet — Designer of COBOL – A Computer of One’s Own – Medium

2018-12-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
committee, with COBOL coming from the former. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 4:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Jean Samme

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
My PC editor has TS and TF. Alas, it is abandonware. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 1:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: Code vulnerability

2018-12-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would take out a large life insurance policy before doing something like that. My colleagues would kill me, and I couldn't blame them. I will admit to having used AMASPZAP, but only as a last resort and with the assistance of a zapmaker program. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'm using office365 and lookout from a web browser, and I don't know what they're doing. Given that it's m$, they're probably not doing what they should be. Still, I wouldn't expect even m to capriciously insert NBSP, although their it smarts quotes are almost

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
gt;He wrote back, "What's this 'BLKSIZEa44'?" If there's one thing worse than the QP doll it's interpreting the text as QP when the header says otherwise. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Ma

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
> You can readily disable smart quotes. In which m$ applications? How? I'm using the web interface to office365, and haven't checked whether it's messing with quotes. "test" -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
> That is precisely what "smart quotes" is all about. That's why I hate them. BTW, how do I turn off half-smart quotes on the computer of someone who's sending me a document? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
uments. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2018 6:04 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Breaking text file at position 72? >

Re: Thanks For All the Fish

2018-12-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Friday, 14 December 2018, will be my last day at IBM. I'll miss you, but I can't claim that you haven't aid your dues. Thanks for the time you put in here. > metalworking Isn't forgery illegal ? > that can use an active volunteer IBM-MAIN -- Shmuel (Seymour

Re: Breaking text file at position 72?

2018-12-14 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, it's George Mason University, but I don't know how much control they have. If you can zip one of the broken messages and e-mail it to be, I'll try to pin down what's going on. Thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
I have no problem with 7z, but using an extension for the wrong format is sick. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.

Re: Dummy query on processor failover

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
Like many other questions, the answer depends on which processor you're asking about and what options have been set. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Mar

Re: Fixes from CA

2018-12-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
n archive to someone else then I'll ask him what formats he can handle, although it's hard to find someone that can't handle zip. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Pau

Re: 64-bit C code fetching IGGCSI00

2018-12-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would expect the pragma to affect the call, not the fetch. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2018 12:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-26 Thread Seymour J Metz
What is he smoking? Since when was the 1401 a mainframe? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mark Regan Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: CFReport for old machine

2018-12-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
Escalate. Have your boss tell the hardware vendor that he will not renew the contract if they are not willing to support the hardware. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Nightwatch

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
That page was written in the 21st century, decades after the 1401 was dead. Back in the day, I never heard the 1401 referred to as anything other than a small computer or "tinkertoy". -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-27 Thread Seymour J Metz
r. That might have involved an IBM 1401, More likely a UNIVAC 1005. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joel C. Ewing Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 11:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSER

Re: Was Adding 90 seconds to 8 byte TOD FIELD

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Redbooks are useful, but they are not formal documentation. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of George Kozakos Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU

Re: TOD clock values, leap seconds and BLSUXTOD conversion service

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
research the acceptability of z/OS Unix System Service (*NOT* USS!) to the *ix community and the effect of that on z sales. With regard to whether z/OS is UNIX, I must reluctantly agree that it is, albeit without many of the facilities that the community expects. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
If you want to pick nits, read "Z-80" as "S-100 PC using a Z-80"; it's not a mainframe, nor is the 1401. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wayne B

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Look at the date on that; it's revisionist history. You won't find any contemporaneous documents referring to the 1401 as a mainframe. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
I never mentioned the Altos; you did. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike Sent: Friday, December 28, 2018 3:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How about

Re: How about a little Christmas fudge? | Computerworld Shark tank

2018-12-28 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, I started on a 650, but I once saw a post here from Werner Buchholz; you don't get much old timer than that. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of scott Ford Sent: F

Re: Crosshair cursor

2018-12-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
What are "GDDM graphics"? GDDM supports two very different 3270 for graphics. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Dave Jones Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2018 1:02 PM To

Re: Crosshair cursor

2018-12-30 Thread Seymour J Metz
PGF is software that uses GDDM; the 3270 graphics protocols are APA and PSS. APA came in with the IBM 3270 Personal Computer (3270-PC) and PSS came in with the 3278 and 3279. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe

Re: Crosshair cursor

2019-01-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
what I was doing; I almost never ran with one big panel. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Robert Prins Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 11:50 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject:

Re: Network names (was: System Symbols)

2019-01-02 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, at one time I expected https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Open_Systems_Interconnection_Profile (GOSIP) to displace SNA, but the Feds went TCP/IP despite the mandate and that was all she wrote. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: It's Official: Open-Plan Offices Are Now the Dumbest Management Fad of All Time | Inc.com

2019-01-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
time? I'm not sure. But dumb enough - no question. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mark Regan Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:27 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sub

Re: Crosshair cursor

2019-01-03 Thread Seymour J Metz
What do you do when you can't see where the cursor is in order to move it where want it? Hitting home and then moving it back near where it was isn't nearly as nice as having the crosshairs. To say nothing of lining up text. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.e

Re: Exit Calls or Using

2019-01-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
IMHO, if you don't have the source code then that in itself is a good reason to get rid of the exit, carefully. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Brennan Sent: F

Re: Crosshair cursor

2019-01-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, at some point peripheral vision becomes an issue; my guess is that 43" would be okay but that 72" would be too big. I never saw the point of dual monitors, except for cases where drivers weren't available for a single monitor with the same real estate. -- Shmuel (Seymou

Re: Crosshair cursor

2019-01-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
Toggling it on and off is fine, and I normally didn't use the crosshair cursor, but it was a lifesaver when I needed it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Roger Bolan

Re: Network names (was: System Symbols)

2019-01-04 Thread Seymour J Metz
I would have loved to see an enhanced SNA with internetworking and DNS, but when CCITT refused to look at it, that wasn't an option. If the major TCP-based protocols at least switched to SCTP, that would be an improvement. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
delete it. What is SAVE14F? I hope it's not in your save area. Have you verified that every place you use WAIT ECB=MY_ECB you don't need an ECB list? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussio

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
Have they started wearing boots and bonnets in England instead of installing them in their cars? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2019 8

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
J. D. Salinger? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 7:46 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Zowe? Stepping aside from what

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
No, it's not that simple. You have given no reason to believe that control is not given to the main task. Fix your code to delete the CIB and then report on what happens. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Main

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-06 Thread Seymour J Metz
If the code you posted is the code that you're running then I wouldn't expect a WTO; I would expect a CPU bound loop, and I already told you what your bug is. Until you fix it, there's no point in further discussion. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Surely local non-SNS 3270 displays can be used for both console and TSO terminals. I wonder about OSA, though. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Richards, Robert B

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
REXX write only? I beg to differ. Yes, it has a few quirks, but I find it eminently readable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 3:19

Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
Usually such ABEND codes have a reason in R15 and a message in the job log. Please include those when you ask for help. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Wayne Bickerdike Sent

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
e multitasking issue) On Tue, Jan 8, 2019 at 3:42 PM Seymour J Metz wrote: >REXX write only? I beg to differ. Yes, it has a few quirks, but I find it >eminently readable. Indeed. It's English-like and about as readable as any programming language gets. Unless Tony meant "Beca

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
It's not enough to know the language; if the programmer doesn't include the necessary comments to provide context then you're in trouble. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on b

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
ms? Perfectly reasonable if you're used to a language with bit or Boolean data types. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listse

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
a complicate program in some other language instead of a simple program in assembler? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 10:51 AM

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
The address after F: might actually be necessary; the address before return, not so much. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-r

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
Source for pretty much everything; some products were source only. OTOH, I don't believe that there was source available for COREZAP or DELINK0. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on beha

Re: Mainframe brains-slurper sues IBM for 'age discrim', calls Ginny and biz 'morally bankrupt' . The Register

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK you can get a patent on a process. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Matt Hogstrom Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 9:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Mainframe

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
> Z/OS back in the pre-OCO SP3.8 days WTF is "SP3.8". I might believe OS/VS2 Release 3.8, or MVS/SP V3 (MVS/ESA), there was no SP version with 8 releases. > was “open source” if you call fiche open source. There were optional source material tapes. -- Shmuel (Seymo

Re: Pds Copy for Load Lib Members

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
#x27;re probably not ready for. For program objects, the format is proprietary and you will need an NDA plus big bucks. If it were me I'd use IEBCOPY for load modules and program objects rather than RYO. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
There is no " MVS/SP 3.8". They say that the memory is the second thing to go. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Matt Hogstrom Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 5:28 PM To

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-08 Thread Seymour J Metz
"You can write Fortran in any language." -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Frank Swarbrick Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2019 6:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU S

Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure

2019-01-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
e above or size below, but not both. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Crawford, Robert C. <01feadb2c2d2-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019

Re: ASCRE init module (again)

2019-01-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
Don't even think of using fields like CVTUSER and TCBUSER unless there is some way to be sure that nobody else is or ever will be using them. BTDT,GTS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Lis

Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure

2019-01-09 Thread Seymour J Metz
It might shrink or expand. I would expect the nucleus to expand if you add more engines to your LPAR, or if hardware related control blocks expand. Whether that actuall reduces the size of the private area would depend on whether you cross a boundary. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http

Re: Zowe?

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
ugh I would rather have had a PL/S compiler. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Harminc Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 12:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Zowe

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
No. The Devil is in the details. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Joseph Reichman Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Concurrent

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
lex symbols, but I doubt it. Certainly a stuatue ov Gracie is overdue, but the author doesn't begin to do her credit for her many accomplishments. > developer of COBOL What is the rest of the CODASYL short range committee, chopped liver? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz ht

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
l but some are more equal than others. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tony Thigpen Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 12:00 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Concurrent S

Re: article about Grace Hopper, developer of COBOL

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
> How about mathematic symbols or mnemonics as opposed to human readable > languages? I find Mathematics much more readable than, e.g., German, Russian. Neither the vocabulary nor the grammar is as complex as any natural language I know of. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.g

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
t;> From: Joseph Reichman > <mailto:reichman...@gmail.com> > >> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2019 3:45 PM >> To: 'IBM Mainframe Discussion List' > <mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > >> Subject: RE: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue mult

Re: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue

2019-01-10 Thread Seymour J Metz
AFAIK, a PSW key of 0 in MVS will allow waiting on an ECB of any key, but I can think of reasons to disallow it. I wouldn't even try to guess for z/VSE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Lis

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Actually, C was deigned to compile on a PDP-7; despite being used frequently for the purpose, it's really not particularly suited for writing operating systems. But, of course, even Fortran can, and has, be used for the purpose if you're perverse enough. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.)

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
more of a hindrance than a help; lures you into expecting PL/I behavior in cases where the semantics are very different. Don't forget SELECT, which came from PL/I and helps to make code more readable. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ___

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Keep in mind that wiki is a mixed bag; its emphasis of secondary sources over primary sources tends to damage its reliability. Also, the URL you gave was for PL/I rather than for REXX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
A lot of the syntax comes from PL/I, although not the use of a continuation character and not the use of labels (no, signal is not a goto.) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
See the DATA and DATA PROMPT commands in z/OS TSO/E CLISTs Version2 Release3, SA32-0978-30, https://www-01.ibm.com/servers/resourcelink/svc00100.nsf/pages/zOSV2R3sa320978/$file/ikjb800_v2r3.pdf -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
> secure-web is offensive If I had some way to turn it off, or to jail the guy that thought it was a good idea, ... -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmar

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
issue) Hi R'Shmuel, "... signal is not a goto ..." ?! It is also true that Signal has other operands, but, in its most basic form it is EXACTLY a goto. Regards, David On 2019-01-11 15:32, Seymour J Metz wrote: > A lot of the syntax comes from PL/I, although not the use of a continu

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Block structure. Use of /* and */ as comments delimiters. Use of : for labels. But they're still very different. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Smith Sent: Thu

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
> It's there, and other implementations of Rexx, such as Regina, struggle to > emulate it. All implementations of REXX provide a stack, but none of them even try to provide the stack mechanisms that TSO has and CLIST DATA/DATA PROMPT support. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://ma

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
The point is that signal does both more and less than a PL/I goto and maximally violates the law of least astonishment. It's one of the pitfalls I warn about in my Safe REXX papers. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
t certainly use it that way, but I find that a good screwdriver makes a bad hammer, and vice versa. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...

Re: ASCRE init module (again)

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
That's one option. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of scott Ford Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ASCRE init module (again)

Re: Generic query on Region allocation failure

2019-01-11 Thread Seymour J Metz
Argh! Why did the need to introduce a new keyword instead of just using REGION=(below,above)? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant <000a2a8c2020-dmarc-r

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
Given the size of PoOps, perhaps an RFE for a separate manual containing well commented examples for all of the complex instructions, including sort. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
ciple applies to asking 3rd party vendor about potential compatibility issues; it can only help, and not doing so can hurt. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: S

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
encapsulate any tricky optimization of frequently used functions in centralized macros, again well documented. Don't C, COBOL and PL/I all use the same compiler back end these days? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
IBM never upgraded TSO/E for the REXX standard. I see nothing in z/OS TSO/E REXX Reference Version2 Release3, SA32-0972-30 about built-in variables TRUE and FALSE. More important, IMHO, is that IBM did not add the ANSI extensions to ADDRESS. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu

Re: z/OS 1.12 question

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
That depends on how you feel about Russian Roulette. I agree that "In most cases, that just isn't a problem. ", but that's not much comfort in the rare cases where it is a problem and you failed to check. Remember, even paranoids have real enemies. But it's not my do

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
r PL/S any day. BTW, problems with C have been discussed here many times over the years. I'm not going to rehash old threads. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford

Re: Digital certificates, probably inactive

2019-01-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
This list has more readers and RACF-L has more concentrated expertise. If it were me, I'd post the question in both. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Bob Bridges Sent: Wedn

Re: Is there a C or LE service to retrieve ISPF statistics?

2019-01-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
You use LMMFIND to retrieve statistics. See z/OS ISPF Services Guide Version 2 Release 3. SC19-3626-30. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Wednesday, January

Re: Where's the fire? | Computerworld Shark Tank

2019-01-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
brag about. We had 2 Mib at the Technion in 1973, and I'm sure that places like NASA Goddard had more, to say nothing of the tri-ASP 195 complex at Suiteland and the intelligence facilities in Maryland and Virginia. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://m

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-16 Thread Seymour J Metz
ANSI-compliant Rexx (sic). -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Paul Gilmartin <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:56 PM To: IBM-M

Re: Where's the fire? | Computerworld Shark Tank

2019-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
And even when they weren't supported you had the paddle project. BTW, by 1978 there was 3rd party memory on the market. There was even block multiplexor channel for the 360/65, from a company called CIG. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~s

Re: Where's the fire? | Computerworld Shark Tank

2019-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
The 370/168 had UP models ranging from 1 MiB to 8 MiB. Double that for MP. The Amdahl 470V/6 was available in 1 MiB through 8 MiB. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tom Marchant

Re: TS1160 parameters

2019-01-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
That site seems to be having problems. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Mike Schwab Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 2:48 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: TS1160

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
't have that facility. OS/2 uses RXQUEUE and pipes for capturing command output, e.g. 'DIR FOO.* | RXQUEUE' Will put the file list in the stem associated with the active queue. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 Fr

Re: TS1160 parameters

2019-01-18 Thread Seymour J Metz
a new tab -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Edward Finnell <000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 6:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.

Re: BALR and BAL in AMODE=24

2019-01-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
One obvious use is for coroutines. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Vernooij, Kees (ITOP NM) - KLM Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject

Re: BALR and BAL in AMODE=24

2019-01-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
I've used the CC bits but never the ILC bits. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John Gateley Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 7:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: BAL

Re: Unreadable code (Was: Concurrent Server Task Dispatch issue multitasking issue)

2019-01-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
INE that do GET from SYSTSIN and PUT to SYSTSPRT, never the TSO command. See z/OS TSO/E Programming Service Version 2 Release 3, SA32-0973-30, "Using the TSO/E I/O service routines for terminal I/O" on p. 189. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 _

Re: TS1160 parameters

2019-01-22 Thread Seymour J Metz
The problem seems to be specific to m$ Edge, or perhaps Edge and IE. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Edward Finnell <000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>

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