utput stuff, and have functions.sh source this. Output.sh would be
provided by a separate package (why not baselayout) and the packages
using those would rewrite their stuff to use the right location.
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xibility in
specifying these things. Btw. I did not design the metadata DTD for
order to be significant. The only priority is that maintainer goes
before herd, that's all.
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Could all of you just let this go. In this case Ciaran is actually right.
Furthermore, From the beginning of the project there has been behaviour which
was technically allowed but not condoned for official packages. The more
formalized approach with EAPI/PMS is no different. Now this thread is too long
already, just shut up about it. If you find the portage behaviour desirable
and want it allowed in the tree. Well, EAPI is the way to go. Remember EAPI is
not established by Ciaran, but by the council.
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>>
>> Thanks,
>> Jeremy
>>
>
> Oops, I need to recall this message. Sorry folks! =/
> -Jeremy
>
As a service to users, you might want to create an empty library:
touch foo.c
gcc -shared foo.c -o libxcb-x11.so.0.0.0
That's all
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Bugreports: preferred way is #gentoo-multilib-overlay at irc.freenode.org,
> but we also have an alias, where you can contact us: multi...@g.o
>
> [1]: http://github.com/sjnewbury/multilib-overlay/tree/portage-multilib
Good work,
Unfortunately my 64 bit system is currently non-functional
don't think this is easy to do, but I think the solution to this
problem should be the same as the (as yet not existing) solution to
the multi-ABI problem as in (x86_64 vs. ix86). The biggest issue is to
handle multiple instances of the same package and how to handle
overlapping (ABI independent) files.
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> still says at least what it is, so is workable IMO, even if the longer
> description is certainly nicer if the 80 char limit no longer applies.
>
What about:
djvu: support DjVu, a PDF-like document format esp. suited for scanned
documents
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On Feb 13, 2008 10:44 AM, Petteri Räty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What do you think about adding support to base.eclass for running
> eautoreconf?
>
> so instead of
>
> src_unpack() {
>unpack ${A}
>cd "${A}"
>eautoreconf
> }
>
> would just add
>
> EAUTORECONF="yes"
> inhe
fair, other projects too) was the
installer that basically joined forces with other installer people and went
it's own way.
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binary kernel modules either.
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s work is released under the GPL-2. At some
point in time there used to be some policy about this, but it seems to have
disappeared. Perhaps something that might be discussed.
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On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 08:06:07 Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> - HOMEPAGE changes
> - LICENSE changes
> - arch-specific patches/dependencies - If someone is requesting KEYWORD
> changes on a package and it requires a patch or additional dependencies
> for your architecture, you are not only permitted, but r
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 01:34:17 Thomas Tuttle wrote:
>
> Personally, I prefer quicker mechanisms to slower ones, but some people
> dislike real-time communications because they can interrupt their work
> constantly. I think what's important is not the signal-to-noise ratio,
> per se, but the relevant
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 17:11:55 Seemant Kulleen wrote:
>
> This leaves two courses of action.
>
> 1. Officially install him as such; or
> 2. Stop letting him wield his power over you. (yes, you, not us --
> concentrate on how much you let him affect you).
I guess you know my vote. Option 1 is unacce
On Fri, 13 Jul 2007 15:11:19 Duncan wrote:
> Ryan Hill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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> excerpted below, on Thu, 12 Jul 2007 19:01:53 -0600:
> > Why don't we create the gentoo-project mailing
> > list, and, you know, actually wait a bit to see how that actually goes.
> > Then we
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:12:02 Olivier Crête wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-29-06 at 09:30 +0200, Luca Barbato wrote:
> > Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > > There are various problems that need to be addressed for cross
> > > development and (especially) multilib/abi. One of the other
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 03:01:52 Jeroen Roovers wrote:
> On Tue, 3 Jul 2007 12:21:12 +0200
>
> Ulrich Mueller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Today I stumbled over a package that has the following funny "licence"
> > in its file headers:
> >
> > ;; Bozoup(P) 1995 The Bozo(tic) Softwar(e) Founda(t)ion, In
ll preserve
those files.
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again. Now from Hobart, Tasmania (Australia)
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Seemant Kulleen wrote:
On Thu, 2007-04-05 at 13:29 +0200, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
Why not simply allow trustees to veto a council decision ? This does
not give trustees enough power to be a second council, but would
permit them to stop something that they believe will damage Gentoo.
This is very l
Danny van Dyk wrote:
> If anybody is interested, i can provide you (this is all gentoo ebuild
devs*) either with lists of QA problems in the tree to fix, or with
tools that enable you to search for one particular (kind of) QA
violation in the whole tree, whatever your prefer.
It might be an i
Petteri Räty wrote:
Paul de Vrieze kirjoitti:
Hi all,
Me and my wife and son are moving to Australia. We are now waiting for the
visa's to arrive, and after that will need some time to set ourselves up. Our
computers however are being shipped as we speak and will only arive in
aust
Hi all,
Me and my wife and son are moving to Australia. We are now waiting for the
visa's to arrive, and after that will need some time to set ourselves up. Our
computers however are being shipped as we speak and will only arive in
australia after roughly 6 weeks. I'm looking to buy a laptop, b
On Wednesday 28 March 2007, Denis Dupeyron wrote:
> On 3/28/07, Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I do (sort of), and it is documented at:
> >
> > http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/metastructure/projectxml.xml
> >
> > Unfortunately I don't kno
distribution. And yes there are many features that should be offered but are
not.
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sort of), and it is documented at:
http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/metastructure/projectxml.xml
Unfortunately I don't know of any page that uses all features, but if you look
around you can find some.
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uire items you have to give order or write out all possible orderings. The
stylesheet hapilly accepts any ordering, but expects certain things to be
there.
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ags, just copy those over and then run the guidexml stylesheet over
the result (which then also includes the project specific stuff).
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d the
fact that they had a new datacenter that happened to be about to open, most
things were up an running again in a few days. The thing I'm worried about
most is insurrance. I trust that infra has backups of the important things
like our repositories.
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ually helped the user with the problem. And then I
give a better explanation of the closure in the comment that goes along. So
yes, I do think that closing as INVALID can be received as "you actually
wasted our time" (and what that means to a user).
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e user did something wrong, or "forgot" to run revdep-rebuild.
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sed version changes. One might actually look at checking the
actual version used and using big fat warnings if that changes.
The static version is probably better as it protects against the berkeley db
version used just disappearing from below. And breaking an authentication
system really sucks
one just echos which to a script so it's safe I think.
The reasons why not to use "which" still apply. Even though which is used in a
script instead of the ebuild itself.
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d, just
don't expect anyone to read it.
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hurting gentoo to reject the contributions of someone, the situation has
already gotten out of hand. I don't believe that people are that
irreplaceable. Even if they are, that is something that is damaging to the
projects continuity.
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implausible. Removing contributions by a certain
person may be silly or impossible. Refusing to accept new contributions is,
while a very harsh measure, a possibility.
Paul
ps. Let me remind everyone that this is about new conduct, not about past
behaviour. If anyone is afraid of the measures,
of days from sending to the
mailing list. This could be effective against e.g. people who continue to
feed trolls after being warned not to do so.
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preventing anybody else from writing a competing spec.
I actually know so, but as it seems that much work to write, it is quite a
hurdle for someone else to step up with an alternative. It might be tempting
to ignore a bias.
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lem, because the growth without any proper structure just makes
things even harder to manage.
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ng else. Or irrevocably
license it or similar. It is not actually an issue at all.
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t qualified
> people to do it.
That remainst to be debateable. It is however also true that he is a party
with a vested interest in the process. As such we must be warry of what we
allow.
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f dirty
> trickery and abuse of the system that you think you can get away with
> rather than having a proper technical discussion.
Ciaran,
could you please do this in private. We don't need pissing contests and
flamefests on this list.
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has is that it looks a little bit
> prettier - but I'd argue the logic is clearer in the re-written version.
>
> I guess the question remains, though - should that syntax be in EAPI=0
> or not...
It is only really acceptable for buildtime only dependencies as after the
build phase nothing is actually different.
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RDEPEND=">=libfoo-1.2"
Against libfoo-1.3.5(SLOT=3) (where 1.4(SLOT=4) exists too
becomes something like:
BDEPEND="&& ( >=libfoo-1.3.5 libfoo[SLOT=3] )
I know this is not valid syntax, but it is just to convey the idea.
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ifying -fno-rtti for a c++ program. If rtti is not used, this
is fine. It is a part of the standard however, and this makes the compiler
not except all standard-compliant code. These options are there to enable
better code generation when it is known that the named features are not
needed. They sh
On Thursday 22 February 2007, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> By that same argument, anybody who ever had to deal with abuse from bug
> wranglers wouldn't be using Gentoo. Which would mean a whole lot
> fewer users.
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I'm sorry, but this was already a known issue over 3 years ago. And yes, the
way portage handles ebuilds does not necessarilly win any beauty contest.
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to have two students working on exactly the same
> project, or at least it was last year.
Perhaps the google people might have some suggestions on this. It seems that
they should also be interested in getting "value for their money".
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If you find an
acceptable way to add the functionality to the network configuration files,
it is ok, but sacrificing usability over an unmaintainable improvement
doesn't work.
If you want to speed up boot, the dependency generation is probably what's
eating most time.
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he same compressor than chosen by user do
> nothing
> c) If file is compressed with a different compressor than chosen by
> user, decompress and recompress with chosen compressor
>
> Sounds like that could work as a long term solution. No?
It would be my prefference too.
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s games to change
> their systems. It's possible, but something that would take a very long
> time to accomplish.
No, just have some hack that fixes the permission on the /usr/games/lib
directory to include read for others (if needed).
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t be seen by people outside the group? The shared data shouldn't be.
The binaries don't live there either, and could be restricted themselves.
This seems to be an arbitrary restriction of the "shoot yourself in the foot"
kind.
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circumvented by unsetting LD_PRELOAD.
Now understand the trust placed into the hands of the developers.
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that the
sandbox is indeed flawed by concept and cannot be fixed.
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On Thursday 04 January 2007 11:42, Kevin F. Quinn wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:18:51 +0100
>
> Paul de Vrieze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I know that I'm a bit late on this, but to me the "version 2 or
> > later" is a license by itself. Let
On Wednesday 03 January 2007 22:54, Steve Long wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > I know that I'm a bit late on this, but to me the "version 2 or later" is
> > a license by itself. Let's call it GPL-RENEW and let the file have
> > contents like:
> >
LICENSE="GPL-2 GPL-RENEW"
The advantage being that the renew clause is version independent, we don't
lose information, don't have to mutilate licenses (by adding text). If
desired it could even be used as LICENSE="|| (GPL-2 GPL-3) GPL-RENEW"
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dev handle to their name for you.
Actually we have a ready made xslt script available. It is the template
named "fullname" in the util.xsl file.
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d be those that have not been changed for over 3
years (since the introduction of metadata.xml). Developers who violate the
repoman checks by omitting a metadata.xml brought mayhem over themselves.
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broken for --as-needed. It's linking is broken thanks to a
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r/ glibc you're
> using.
The problem is that for the applications, it is not only glibc+gcc that
determines the ABI. It is all libraries used (sometimes useflags even make a
difference) that are also ABI for applications. That would lead to a
gazillion configurations that would be nearly
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o woodpecker and the mail flows through it too.
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x27;ll be around #gentoo/#-dev.
I feel a bid sad to see you go. Even sadder that because of legalities you
never got to serve on the board of trustees. For the rest, all the best of
luck and see you around.
Greetings,
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ld have remembered that there is nothing as permanent as a
temporary solution.
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#Old packages can be retrieved almost similarly:
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| It's a stupid statement, not providing any further backing for your
| position; please dear god spare us all the waste of time reading
| your emails if that's how you're going to push for what you want...
Not at all. Your argument could be rephrased like this: There ar
Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 20:12:40 +0100 "Stuart Herbert"
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| As the default USE flags are metadata about the package (not the
| profile), it makes sense to store that data in the ebuild, along with
| the rest of the package's metadata.
No no on. Default
Simon Stelling wrote:
Paul de Vrieze wrote:
I would go for the EAPI bump. Even then I think it would be smart to
wait a short while for packages to use this as we ensure that the
supporting portage version is stable.
Err, EAPI was designed to assure that a supporting version is actually
Maurice van der Pot wrote:
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 05:42:59AM -0700, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
I added ~100 joined dates thus far, however the
archives (esp. for -core) that I have access to are not complete, and
don't go back nearly as far as the depths of Gentoo history,
Have you considered u
Zac Medico wrote:
Hi everyone,
I've written a patch for portage [1] that implements per-package default USE
flags at
both the ebuild and profile levels (discussed a couple of months ago [2] on this
list). At the ebuild level, default flags are specified in IUSE with a +
prefix as
described in
Duncan wrote:
Anybody doing Gentoo on even a Pentium original is going to be compiling
for awhile unless they do GRP only, and that's inadvised as GRP isn't
security updated until the next release, six months later! A couple years
ago when I first started with Gentoo and was on the main user lis
Steev Klimaszewski wrote:
> No... but didn't one download and burn that CD that is being used for
> the _networkless_ install? One could also download the stage needed,
> slap it on a usb key, and viola! Of course, the other option, is to use
> that crazy installer option "Networkless" - I could
Maybe it depends on what you mean by 'in control'. What I mean is that
you have a good stable base from which to work on, but nothing prevents
you to tweak things like you want: Gentoo doesn't get in your way.
http://www.gentoo.org/main/en/about.xml mentions "Extreme
Configurabiliy" and the main
gn
> right and determining exact goals is a very useful first step.
As much as ISO-9002 certification doesn't guarantee quality products/services,
a GLEP does not ensure correct decisions. It just ensures that some things
will not get done because they are red-taped to death.
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absense of inclusion in the above).
That is those variables that can only have one value and are overridden
instead of appended.
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> less communication overhead.
For this stuff, add a comment to the metadata.xml file. Don't do it in this
less than obvious way. The maintainer must still be someone with a gentoo
email.
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quick decisions.
I would like to second this. I particularly find the notification 7 days
before setting the agenda troublesome. It basically means that decisions can
only be made half a month after the discussion has finished on -dev.
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On Friday 01 September 2006 16:31, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Friday 01 September 2006 15:36, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > The build scripts are part of the source code. And as such must be
> > licensed under the GPL.
>
> It's opinable, as you don'
nge mkisofs
> license to allow linking to non-GPL-compatible code.
> Of that, I'm not sure tho.
The GPL sucks in linking respect. Given the GPL however linking GPL-ed
software to non-system libraries that are not GPL licensed (Not even LGPL) is
a violation of the GPL. The GPL is ve
is very lonely) this is not easy to
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deed an open source community distribution is not an
organisation in the traditional sense.
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nly think
> it's good to have it like that and no leader whatsoever.
A big issue, that I hope to correct is exactly this indeciciveness in the
council. It is my position that the council needs to be proactive in
decisions and in setting a goal for the distribution.
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huge flamefest. If one does not agree with the
council, vote someone else the next year.
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are enough people
using it to keep it in the tree. As long as things don't break beyond repair
I see no reason whatsoever to remove xmms (or any other largely unmaintained
package in the tree).
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left for me to use is mplayer?
Use the aplay binary provided by alsa-utils.
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to some certain proprietary
> software. But the java language is not software, it is couple of
> abstract concept for actually writing software.
You forget the main part of a language is the library. Basically there is not
yet a good complete open java standard library available.
about the slaveryware /word/ instead of the free
> software /idea/. That is counterproductive, and will likely cause you to be
> dismissed as a extremist (though, hopefully not by your mother).
> Intentionally offending the very people we need to convince does not help
> us at all.
While it
ew users of the installer. I knew that we
shouldn't do that. The whole point of gentoo having (a reputation of having)
good documentation is because people need it.
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c about checking for the existence of libfoo.
> Well, how would you get certain search pathes (-I, -L, ...)
> additional includes, dependency info for evrything but elf-so, ie .a ?
The thing is you don't should not link the dependent libs of a dependency.
That way you don't
oo is broken without having actually been
active and built up a reputation.
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(esp. old versions) is worse in it's
incomplete use of the linker and the way it encourages broken library
linking.
> That's the right ways. And so gmplayer stuff should be dropped
> completely. If you like, I'll sit down and fix the ebuilds.
First fix your attitude problem,
useflag configurations because they
unconditionally test the bindings.
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> I don't have numbers, but if you have FEATURES=test set yourself you
> should know how many fail. It's not insignificant.
Part of the problem is that many test suites themselves are broken. Or broken
on some architectures. Other times the tests fail because of broken
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d like to know about
> it.
Go ahead.
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lid now as it was 3 years ago. We accept that developers
leave and don't care.
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> > latest patches/revision bumps?
>
> 4) Bash devs to add your ebuild
Which one exactly. The point is that it is not on a dev's turf.
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quickly enough. I didn't claim to know exactly what the
> real problem is, merely that it's not what's being solved here.
>
Herds do not have turfs. They specialise in particular areas but that doesn't
mean that all packages in that area have to fall under the herd.
Pau
rst need to be invited to start the whole process.
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