rrently reading "Chasing Shadows", by Shelley Bowen Hatfield (no
relation ;-) which is about this time period. Fascinating stuff.
Online information about these folks is sparse, and often innaccurate.
Oh, and strangely enough, another great source of accurate information
is "Fort Apac
On 29 Nov 2003, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> something nasty like that. It's a piece of free software that gives
> people some choice and it uses the name of a native indian hero. So some
> coke and twinkie consuming, pasty white prog
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> > It's not like it's "Geronimo: the society of baby seal clubbers" or
> > something nasty like that. It's a piece of free
ing but
politically correct. I find political correctness to be the enemy of
intelligent discourse. However, I don't see any value in getting our
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> >> So, like I said, I clearly missed what you suggested as fixes to the
> >> problems that you perceive. While I'm sure that this discussion belongs
> >> on the incubator list, rather than here, I have a strong suspicion that
> >> you're going to resp
usly the feedback of the folks that have
been through this process, and we should evolve based on that feedback.
Perhaps a practical solution here is to strongly encourage mature
projects to remain entirely outside the Apache infrastructure during
this period. That allows them to continue functi
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Leo Simons wrote:
> I propose we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and allow avalon to
> import the code.
>
> Please place your votes:
>
[X] +1 -- yes
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[ ] -1 -- no
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them hanging if there's no real progress. It's a disservice to the
infrastructure to keep them incubating if they're never going to hatch.
This isn't necessarily failur
frame, leaving 10 that, at least to me, appear to be inactive
for more than X months.
So, say we were to vote on their continuation. Then what? Do we list
them as "failed"? That seems really harsh. Is there another term that
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As I look through the list of projects in the incubator, trying to figure
out where I can be useful, I notice several projects that have been in
the incubator for a LONG time.
Which
ther "well, yes, *obviously* it should be that way" kind
of idea. If the sponsoring PMC isn't taking an active role in the
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But also that the fate of the company doesn't depend on the fate of the
project. I can envision a company using this mechanism to get free labor
for their project, and then going under when the project doesn't do so
great. This would be a great shame, and would reflec
n why we've gotten ZERO response to this message or to
Dave's followup?
Can some of the old hands around here give us some insight into what we
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> -1's or +0's (with one of the +1's being from a project mentor) and now
> requires a vote on general@incubator.apache.org.
>
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> There was a question on a podling as to whether developers on podlings
> could s
so that people looking for somewhere to plug in can get in on
the ground floor of your project.
So, please, don't be shy because you're still incubating. We want your
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Don't graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator because
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Please VOTE below on the graduation of Apache Allura from the
Incubator. The graduation resoluti
the website
As to the project being forge software, rather than being a projecy which
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orge. It's that
SourceForge looks like Allura.
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g the Incubator. I suspect that the answer is dependent on
whether their project actually *bundles* these modules, or if it just
requires that they be installed separately. Right?
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On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Fabian Christ wrote:
> We are now asking the IPMC to vote on the resolution to establish
> Stanbol and to recommend the resolution to the board. The resolution
> to vote on is also available online [3].
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On Sep 7, 2012, at 6:58 AM, Suresh Marru wrote:
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> Please cast your vote :
>
> [ ] +1 Graduate Airavata podling from Apache Incubator
> [ ] -1 Airavata podling is not yet ready to graduate because ….
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Trademarks folks,
I've done a name search for 'Allura' and the results of that search are here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-15
Is there anything I still need to do in order to get the blessing of the
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On Mar 26, 2013, at 3:04 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> We now kindly ask the IPMC to review our findings and vote on the
> Onami graduation.
>
> [ X ] +1, yes propose the graduation of Apache Onami to the board
> [ ] -1, no, don't let Apache Onami graduate, because...
e in such an effort in whatever
role would be useful. I've written a thing or two, and can also assist in
arranging already-written content into coherent shapes.
You know, assuming Shane was mistaken. ;-)
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> Thoughts?
Oh, yes, please. If it even happened half the time it would be absolutely
wonderful.
And I nominate Shane to be the default editor, because he's so very good at
summarizing threads. ;-)
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privileges accorded to other members of the project.
Documentation contributors are given the same respect and karma that is given
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On Nov 29, 2011, at 20:04, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> In my view, it's appropriate to run the votes in parallel if the RM has good
> reason to believe that the vote will pass.
Presumably nobody would waste anybody's time calling for a vote when they have
reason to believe it wouldn't pass, would
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where this is not
> the case, is a goal of incubation."
These concerns have been addressed, as well as a few other minor changes. What
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[ ] +1 I recommend that Allura becomes an Apache Incubator project
[ ] 0 Abstain or don't care
[ ] -1 No, I do not recommend that Allura becomes an Apache Incubator project
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> Hi,
>
> We are proposing Allura to be admitted to the Apache Incubator, and would
> like to request that the IPMC votes on this issue. The requisite 72 hours has
> passed since the initial proposal.
>
> The proposal
, can you hook me up? I'd like to request to be
an IPMC member. Thank you.
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On Jun 21, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are proposing Allura to be admitted to the Apache Incubator, and would
> like to request that the IPMC votes on this issue. The requisite 72 hours has
> passed since the initial proposal.
>
> The proposal
On Jun 22, 2012, at 11:09 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>>
>>
>> +1, binding this time. :)
>
> Wrong, it's still not binding.
Ah. Sorry. I assumed that since the board had ack'ed the addition, it was. But,
yeah, it looks like my vote won't sway things o
The vote for Allura to enter the Incubator has passed:
+1:17 votes
-1 : 0 votes
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nything is when the incubator PMC is the sponsor and IMO we may as
>> well drop that
>
> Makes sense...saying that in general podlings aren't sponsored by a
> PMC would better match our current reality.
I noticed that the Tika board report this month states that Tiki is
You may wish to listen to the FeatherCast interview about Stonehenge,
if you're one of the folks that tries to follow the list, but didn't
really catch what this project is about.
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If, hypothetically, a project was considering entering the incubator,
and if that project had an -extras repository for community-developed
plugins to the project, and if some of those plugins were under non-
ASL licenses, what would be the policy? Could there be an -extras
repository contai
> >From conversations at ApacheCon, and gentle nudging at dinner last night =
> from Danese Cooper, it sounds like we should come up with a better name. =
> The current thought is "Ibid". So it works in "ID" and has a good =
> geeky literary reference.
Hmm. I rather think it's one of the better
On Aug 4, 2006, at 08:31, Danny Angus wrote:
Hi everybody,
I don't have a binding vote here, but..
-1
I strongly object to the name, in some sense I object to this name
because it is also the name of the city in which I work, and
conversations about "Glasgow" will be a bit wierd.
But very m
On Aug 8, 2006, at 21:12, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Sean (Sam) Joyce:
this picking names is hard. I've though of about 20 so far today
but each one already has some links to software projects or
companies.
Except that it feels a bit unwieldy, "Champollion" could be used in
honor of
the ge
d of expenditure would be
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Thought 3: Even if someone persuades me that it's permissible, it seems
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Result summary: +1 (4 binding, 2 non-binding), 0 (0), -1 (0)
The [VOTE] will be open for the next 72 hours --- closing Friday (September
11, 2015) at 7am EST.
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ss to be TLP.
As a side-note, I'd also encourage mentors who are mentors in name only,
and not reality, to consider cleaning up the paperwork by removing
themselves from the roster. It doesn't look great when a podling can't
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to graduate" message. That may delay the actual time
to graduate, but would allow us to be more than a rubber stamp, but
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wrote:
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 5:10 PM, Rich Bowen wrote:
...It would be very welcome to have this attached to a
graduation
resolution, so that we could have some background beyond just a
boilerplate
"time to graduate" message
I agree, and IMO our ma
A huge +1, but I wonder about a few things. Who does the work? Who
evaluates the results? What happens when projects "fail"?
Le 15/10/15 11:46, Bertrand Delacretaz a écrit :
> Hi Incubator PMC,
>
> FYI I have started an experiment at
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-groovy/blob/master/MATURITY
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+1, binding, mentor
On Oct 23, 2015 9:07 PM, "Stephen Mallette" wrote:
> Hello,
> We are happy to announce that TinkerPop 3.0.2-incubating is ready for
> release.
>
> The release artifacts can be found at this location:
>
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/incubator/tinkerpop/3.0.2-incubati
>
> But, I've got to wonder: as long as it is just a suggestion what's to
compel
> a mentor to actually spend quite a bit of time on doing that?
>
>
A mentor's desire to do their job thoroughly and serve the project and the
Foundation. This is one tool to assist with reaching that end. Use it, or
On Oct 28, 2015 4:26 PM, "Konstantin Boudnik" wrote:
>
> Following discussions [1] about its current status, the Groovy community
> has voted [2] to graduate from the Incubator. The vote passed [3] with 12
+1s
> total, 5 are binding:
>
> Guillaume Laforge
> Cédric Champeau
> Paul King
at I was looking for.
If it's all just rhetorical questions then why do we bother at all?
Graduation is a one-time thing. We can afford to apply a little
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On 11/02/2015 07:33 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 7:25 AM Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>
>On 11/01/2015 07:48 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> >Thanks for sending this around, Paul - I should've linked it to the vote
> >thread, duh...
> >
> &g
015-11-18/Establish-Kylin
Anyways, this is a thread hijack, so perhaps we should take this
elsewhere. My concern with Groovy has been addressed.
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So, yeah, I'd consider your -1 vote on their graduation to be binding
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On Mon, Nov 02, 2015 at 07:25AM, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
>
>On 11/01/2015 07:48 PM, Konstantin Boudnik wrote:
> >Thanks for sending this around, Paul - I should've linked it to the vote
> >thread, duh...
> >
&g
On Nov 3, 2015 11:34 AM, "Joe Schaefer" wrote:
>
> David,
>
> The problem with Rich's commentary is that we don't have any solid
evidence
> to that effect. Certainly not on a systematic level.
> All I see is a lot of responsiveness from the team about repair-oriented
> tickets, or some mundane ta
I don't see any
> value in adding more bureaucracy as it will further sap any motivation
> to truly "mentor" projects. I view the mentor as someone that can be
> called upon, but doesn't necessarily require active involvement on a
> daily basis. If I wanted that,
n that I
wholeheartedly support and recommend, but it's a minority of projects
that have this policy. If you follow board reports, you'll notice that
PMC additions and Committer additions are seldom coincident.
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>> IPMC should be imposing the barest amount of overhead to what the
>> Board requires from the full projects. To that end, having
>> mentors explicitly sign-off is fair - but, additional paperwork
>> is not. -- justin
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Perhaps things were simpler in The Old Days, or perhaps I was just more
naive. I suspect it's a little of both.
Maintaining the ideals of The Apache Way, while also acknowledging that
the world is different from how it was in 1998, is a core theme in many
discuss
On Nov 13, 2015 4:50 PM, "Branko Čibej" wrote:
>
> On 10.11.2015 16:00, Pierre Smits wrote:
> > That is nice! Apache pages drawn up by a member of the Apache Software
> > Foundation with the input from many (both ASF members and others) and
> > hosted/communicated through ASF means, and then sayi
On Nov 15, 2015 10:14 AM, "Justin Erenkrantz" wrote:
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2015, Rich Bowen wrote:
>
> > No. I can use whatever criteria I like to justify my vote on a podlings
> > graduation, if it's in line with asf philosophy. This document
hought experiment, and, indeed we should always
strive to have better metrics, but we must be intelligent - and human -
in how we read those numbers. One of the things that separates the ASF
from GitHub or SourceForge, is that we do have a unifying philosophy,
and a community of humans that defend it.
sourced like some of the work that Roberto Galoppini has
worked on, and see more intelligence and less shot-in-the-dark
understanding coming out of them. If there is wisdom to be gained, and
things that can be consistently reproducible, we should pursue that. So
much in
On 11/18/2015 06:28 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> PS Alas, "scores" are chalked against the manager of communities who
> fails to satisfy the beany needs of misguided marketing. (Beany
> needs=bean counter needs.)
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> Incubator TinkePop podling; and be it further
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> Hi,
>
> > E.g., no forums in Apache, for example.
>
> A mailing list can be mirrored to a nibble forum if it helps [1] I know
of several projects who do that.
The asf has a service - lists.apache.org -which does exactly this.
Automatically. For e
On Sep 24, 2016 23:08, "Geertjan Wielenga"
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> Yes, excellent work and many thanks for the time taken on this, Daniel.
For
> anyone reading this -- do note that these are preliminary findings based
on
> the current infrastructure of NetBeans, which is going to be very
different
> under Apac
ly less concerned with the sustainability of the project
should the company opt out of working on the project, and more concerned
with the kind of monoculture "we own it" problems that we're starting to
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Gruno wrote:
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 11/07/2016 10:05 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Daniel Gru
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MIA mentors. As mentioned elsewhere, we don't
want to punish the podling for underperforming mentors.
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e guy that thinks about these things deeply, I'm obviously
missing something. Can you point me to a thread where this was discussed
in more detail?
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might give us some
deeper insight into whether this fixes anything?
--Rich
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