Thanks Noel, and thanks everyone in the incubator for all the help and
support over the past year!
-T
On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 9:02 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Congratulations to the Pivot community. This is a welcomed event. :-)
>
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The vote has passed with 10 +1 votes (all binding) and no 0 or -1 votes.
Here are the votes:
+1 Leo Simons
+1 Martijn Dashorst
+1 Bertrand Delacretaz
+1 Jukka Zitting
+1 Niall Pemberton
+1 Ralph Goers
+1 Niclas Hedhman
+1 Kevan Miller
+1 Alan D. Cabrera
+1 David Crossley
Thank you for
Todd Volkert wrote:
>
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
> recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
+1
-David
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+1
Regards,
Alan
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote:
Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
"Apache Pivot" top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Boa
On Nov 17, 2009, at 12:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
> recommendations to the Board at the December Board mee
On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
> recommendations to the Board at the December Board mee
On Nov 17, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
> recommendations to the Board at the December Board meet
+1
Niall
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
> recommendations to the Board at the Decembe
Hi,
[x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
BR,
Jukka Zitting
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> [X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
Congrats!
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+1
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
>> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
>> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
>
> +1 from me!
>
> cheers,
>
> Leo
>
>
On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Todd Volkert wrote:
> The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
> "Apache Pivot" top-level project.
+1 from me!
cheers,
Leo
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Hi all,
The Apache Pivot community feels that it is ready to graduate into the
"Apache Pivot" top-level project.
Please place your votes within the next 72 hours -- to serve as
recommendations to the Board at the December Board meeting.
[ ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
[ ] 0, I don't care
[ ] -1, A
Ok, let's do this; I hereby call off the vote and will restart it next
month, unless the increase of activity is not sustained...
Cheers
Niclas
On Aug 8, 2009 6:43 PM, "Jukka Zitting" wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting
wrote: > [x] -1, Apache Pivo...
If this vote is still
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
If this vote is still on, I would like to change my vote to +0. This
vote seems to have sparked a lot of new activity in Pivot, addressing
my concerns. My vote will be +1 once it's
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 5:16 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Would it make a difference, if I step up and make the initial PMC Chair, as
> I have over the last couple of weeks started my own commitment to the
> project?
My main concern is over the small number of people writing code for
the projec
Jukka,
I don't like to force "majority result" if there is controversy.
Having a couple of -1, and other not voting but practically agreeing with
you and Ant, is not the way to go.
I think they are as ready as they can get, considering the starting point
and the general attitude towards incubated
I will try to answer it;
1. I think it is an extreme question. If both disappeared tomorrow, I don't
think the will to continue exists. If it happens 12 months from now in the
Incubator, I think it could go either way. If happens 12 months after
graduation, I am pretty sure it sustains. Why do I t
On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Martijn
Dashorst wrote:
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
True, but that's how I interpret it, for reasons stated earlier in
this thread.
My -1 in the Pi
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:44 PM, Niall Pemberton wrote:
OK we have a similar example here at the ASF - when Craig McC. left
Apache Shale it slowly died - and AFAIK become the first project to
join the Attic. So Ceki decides to become a Yak farmer in patagonia
and maybe the same thing happens to S
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:39 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
>> Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
>>> listen to the community?
>>
>> That's
On Aug 5, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
Martijn
Absolutely right. I'd actually like to see more than 3 people with
commit privs (and I think most projects have that). As a mentor I
would be look
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:58 PM, Martijn
Dashorst wrote:
> AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
> code commits.
True, but that's how I interpret it, for reasons stated earlier in this thread.
My -1 in the Pivot vote is just a statement of concern based on my
int
AFAIK Nowhere in the policy it is stated that committer activity ==
code commits.
Martijn
On Wednesday, August 5, 2009, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>> We are looking for projects with at le
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>
>>
>> On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers
>>> That's why I measure the "three independent committers" criteria by
>>
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> We are looking for projects with at least three independent
>> committers, and personally I'm not including inactive committers in
>> that count.
>
> Now you are making hard and fast rules
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:40 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ralph
Goers wrote:
You won't find the second part solely from the commit log. I would
expect
mentors to be monitoring the dev list. If it is filled with "can
you fix
this?" then there is a problem. But i
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Thorsten
Scherler wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
> ...
>> > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in
>> > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more
>> > important then commi
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> You won't find the second part solely from the commit log. I would expect
> mentors to be monitoring the dev list. If it is filled with "can you fix
> this?" then there is a problem. But if it also has "why did you do this?",
> "can we do th
On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers> wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a
community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them lik
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph
Goers wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a
community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
projects. But even if he did, by these
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:25 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
>> It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware project".
>> Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the
>> same company. :-)
>
> That ce
For the record, I'm -1, i'd like to see a bit more diversity of the
active committers to show this is operating as an Apache project
should.
...ant
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Gang,
>
> Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the
> Pivot t
eryzhikov didn't come with the team afaik, but his commits are from
historical imports.
Martijn
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:47 PM, William A. Rowe, Jr. wrote:
> Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
>> Scherler wrote:
>>
>>> How many committers are in the project? As unde
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
>> Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community
>> perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
>> projects. But even if he did, by these standards the projects
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
> Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community
> perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache
> projects. But even if he did, by these standards the projects might never
> make it out of
2009/8/5 Ralph Goers :
>
> On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
>> Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
>>> listen to the community?
>>
>> That's certainly good, but [snip]
Yes,
And here is another angle; ALL projects will die, it is just a matter of
time.
Now, knowing that we need to deal with, and can't set out with the notion
that if we think it might whither it can't graduate, then I will need to
vote against all graduations.
So, IMHO, the "might die" criteria i
On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretaz wrote:
In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
listen to the community?
That's certainly good, but IMHO not really the key point as it doesn't
address the cas
[I presume the three browns above are all one
in the same person.)
Yes - all me. :-) I believe they reflect my user name on the various
SVN repositories in which Pivot has resided (java.net, Google Code,
and now ASF).
---
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
> Scherler wrote:
>
>> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
>> coding committers but how many other committers?
>
> 5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not counting 2 mentors.
gbrown
Thorsten Scherler wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
>> Scherler wrote:
>>
>>> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
>>> coding committers but how many other committers?
>> 5 committers and
I'm +1 as well. I fully respect Jukka's opinion, I'm just placing my own
line on the other side of the gray area (if that makes sense).
Matthieu
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:40 AM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> +1
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> > Gang,
> >
> > Apache Pivot
In most discussions I hear (I think it is Roy's quote): "Not community
*over* code, but community *for* code"
Martijn
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2009/8/4 Thorsten Scherler :
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
>> Scherler wrote:
>>
>> > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
>> > coding committers but how many other committers?
>>
>> 5 commit
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 11:23 +0100, Niall Pemberton wrote:
...
> > Bottom line: activity is hardly measurable since you can be active in
> > the community or in code or both. Being active on the ml is even more
> > important then committing code, or do we not always saying community
> > over code?
>
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 18:16 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
> Scherler wrote:
>
> > How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
> > coding committers but how many other committers?
>
> 5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Thorsten
Scherler wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>>
>> > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of
> a
>> > podling on grounds of diversity of code comm
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Thorsten
Scherler wrote:
> How many committers are in the project? As understand from the thread 2
> coding committers but how many other committers?
5 committers and PPMC Members in total, not counting 2 mentors.
Cheers
--
Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
htt
On Tue, 2009-08-04 at 10:48 +0100, ant elder wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
>
> > I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of
a
> > podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
> > with documented evidence that either a)
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of a
> podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
> with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not
> listening to the community or b) the
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Greg Brown wrote:
> It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware project".
> Todd and I work on Pivot on our own time. We just happen to work for the
> same company. :-)
That certainly helps with the diversity requirement. Even then I think
t
2009/8/4 Bertrand Delacretaz :
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>>
>>> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
>>> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
>>>
>>> At the end of
Hi,
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertrand
Delacretaz wrote:
> In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
> listen to the community?
That's certainly good, but IMHO not really the key point as it doesn't
address the case when those people lose interest. A community that
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Bertrand
Delacretaz wrote:
> Taking Sling as an example again, the commit logs certainly show an
> overwhelming number of commits from Day employees, but if you look at
> the big picture it's clear that those committers are taking the
> community opinions into accou
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
>> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
>>
>> At the end of the day it's the people who write the c
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
>> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
>> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
>>
>> At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide
>> where a proj
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
>
> At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide
> where a project goes,
So, you ARE saying t
Its still good to have some minimal diversity of the active committers
and right now it looks like Pivot only has two people actively
committing code and they're both from the same employer.
It may be worth noting that Pivot is not technically a "VMware
project". Todd and I work on Pivot on o
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 1:23 PM, Martijn
Dashorst wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> 2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
>>>
>>> I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
>>> too ma
Hi,
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> As I understand it there is sufficient diversity in the people with
> binding votes to provide oversight for the project. That is what we
> are trying to achieve here. I didn't hear this argument against Apache
> Sling which has a less dive
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> 2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting :
>> Hi,
>>
>> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
>>
>> I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
>> too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion
>> w
2009/8/3 Jukka Zitting :
> Hi,
>
> [x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
>
> I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
> too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion
> would be for Pivot to spend some more time growing the communi
Hi,
[x] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
I'm not seeing sufficient diversity of active committers [1] and not
too many people seem to be contributing patches [2]. My suggestion
would be for Pivot to spend some more time growing the community
before graduation.
[1] http://www
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
[x] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
[ ] 0, I don't care
[ ] -1, Apache Pivot is not ready to graduate, because...
Cheers
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+1
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:24 AM, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Gang,
>
> Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the
> Pivot team has done an excellent job, both technically as well as
> community-wise. The initial team consisting of two Vmware employees
> showed good commun
> [X ] +1, Graduate Apache Pivot
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Gang,
Apache Pivot is one of the fastest moving codebases at Apache, and the
Pivot team has done an excellent job, both technically as well as
community-wise. The initial team consisting of two Vmware employees
showed good community skills from the get-go, discussing all progress
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