On Aug 5, 2009, at 8:21 AM, Ralph Goers wrote:
On Aug 5, 2009, at 2:00 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 3:39 AM, Ralph Goers<ralph.go...@dslextreme.com
> wrote:
Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a
community
perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like
Apache
projects. But even if he did, by these standards the projects
might never
make it out of the incubator. Even if those of us who would like
them had
commit rights I can guarantee that 95% of the commits would still
be Ceki's.
I don't see it as a problem if the vast majority of commits comes
from
one person (or company) as long as the community operates normally
*and* there are others who won't have to start learning how to build
the codebase and do an "svn commit" if the key developer leaves.
You won't find the second part solely from the commit log. I would
expect mentors to be monitoring the dev list. If it is filled with
"can you fix this?" then there is a problem. But if it also has "why
did you do this?", "can we do this?", "I don't understand this
commit" type messages then I expect the second concern is adequately
addressed. But you can't determine that from raw statistics.
That's why I measure the "three independent committers" criteria by
looking at the commit log instead of the asf-authorization file. And
I'm not asking much, just a few code commits in the past few months
is
good enough for me.
That's the criteria that I held Sling against, and that's also what's
currently keeping UIMA from graduating (and apparently also for
over a
year before I signed up to help them). If the consensus is that this
is a bit too hard a requirement, then I'll be happy to bring UIMA up
for graduation in the next few months.
I'm suggesting that while that criteria makes sense for someone not
involved in a project, it isn't necessarily the best way to
determine how healthy the community is. If mentors are mentoring
then we should give heavy weight to their recommendation and
judgment with respect to graduation. If a mentor needs these kinds
of statistics to tell him/her whether the project is healthy then I
am very concerned.
Ralph
I should also clarify. Some projects will never be ready to stand on
their own as a TLP. Sanselan moved to Commons for just this reason.
I'm not sure that Commons is the best home for every project in this
position, but as part of the graduation recommendation mentors should
identify this. If the only concern over a community is its size (but
they clearly understand the Apache way of doing things) then
graduation as a subproject makes complete sense to me and we should
actively look for the right TLP to move it to.
Ralph
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