Yes, And here is another angle; ALL projects will die, it is just a matter of time.
Now, knowing that we need to deal with, and can't set out with the notion that if we think it might whither it can't graduate, then I will need to vote against all graduations. So, IMHO, the "might die" criteria is sooo wrong, it makes me sick. I look at it the other way; If it graduates it might flourish. And if one podling do so (for a while), I am Ok with a couple that didn't. If your intentions are for projects to die sooner, then keep them in incubation... -- Niclas On Aug 5, 2009 9:40 AM, "Ralph Goers" <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote: On Aug 4, 2009, at 2:10 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Bertra... You are trying to predict the future. Good luck with that. The rules are there because we have a belief that meeting them will give the project the best chance to succeed. I would argue that if this is your measure you should take a look at Logback and SLF4J. The number of people who have commit rights is very small (essentially 1 in the case of Logback). But Ceki is a recognized expert in the field and is passionate about logging. The odds of his abandoning the project are about equal to that of him getting hit by a truck. But there are severl active participants in the projects (myself included) and many more who stop by and ask questions. Using these projects as an example is perhaps not the best from a community perspective because Ceki has no intention of running them like Apache projects. But even if he did, by these standards the projects might never make it out of the incubator. Even if those of us who would like them had commit rights I can guarantee that 95% of the commits would still be Ceki's. >From my perspective we should be evaluating projects based on whether they are building a healthy Apache community where we have sufficient belief that the project will be able to sustain itself without further mentoring. IMO, trying to factor in "what ifs" about what will happen if certain committers leave, unless they have shown signs that that is likely, is not a very good indicator of success. Over the course of time a project is in the incubator I would expect that mentors to have a good sense of what the level of commitment is and would use that as part of their recommendation for graduation. Ralph
