On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
> Here's a link to the proposal:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal ...
FYI people following this: the vote for the two proposed mentors who
are not yet members o
No reason to apologize, Greg.
Going into detailed discussions too early in the process is not
helpful. And I don't want to give everyone else the impression that
I'm trying to create barriers for the incubation process.
Best regards,
Raju
2011/12/22 Greg Stein :
>
> On Dec 22, 2011 8:28 AM, "Raj
On Dec 22, 2011 8:28 AM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
>
> But as Bertrand has said, I've raised the questions to early in the
process.
Yeah... possibly I'm just reading it as obstruction, when the honest intent
is awareness for the future podling. My apologies.
Cheers,
-g
Greg,
That's definitely not what I'm trying to do. Based on the feedback I've
read here so far I'd say the following approach makes sense:
1) See that the contribution of the Flex SDK source code to Apache
happens very soon, to give the Apache Flex community a chance to start
working on it. This
I'm neither committer nor contributor (yet) but I follow all discussions
here concerning Flex very closely. Having Anne as a mentor for Flex would
really be great.
Thanks,
Dirk.
2011/12/22 Peter Elst
> Having Anne as a mentor would be fantastic - thanks for volunteering, hope
> you can make it
On Dec 22, 2011 5:05 AM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
>...
> I know this message is very long, but I think these topics need some
> clarification.
Honestly? My read of your message(s) is, "let's ask for so much stuff at
the start, that this podling/community can never even get started."
How about we rec
I think you do make a good point Raju and one that has been a discussion
topic in our community to some extent but is in my opinion certainly not a
showstopper.
Speaking as a committer - and my feeling is most of us would subscribe to
this - having Flex export as SWF run on the Adobe Flash Player
Thanks, Bertrand. Agreed! :-)
I have never been part of an Apache Incubator process, just wanted to
make sure that the proposal contains as much information as possible
from the beginning; but I guess you are right, that would be too detailed.
Thanks,
Raju
On 12/22/11 11:20 AM, Bertrand Dela
Hi Raju,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Raju Bitter wrote:
> ...I agree with you that Flex is different in that it's targeting a
> proprietary VM. That's why I think it should be a goal of Apache Flex
> to create an alternative runtime, next to Flash/AIR, and it should be
> part of the proposa
Having Anne as a mentor would be fantastic - thanks for volunteering, hope
you can make it in!
Think its a definite plus to have some mentors with a solid background
knowledge of Flex and the existing community.
- Peter
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:35 PM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
wrote:
> Hi Bertr
Leo,
I agree with you that Flex is different in that it's targeting a
proprietary VM. That's why I think it should be a goal of Apache Flex
to create an alternative runtime, next to Flash/AIR, and it should be
part of the proposal. Since I'm not an ASF member, I can just hint to
it, it's up to the
Hi Anne,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 12:35 AM, Anne Kathrine Petterøe
wrote:
> ...I am very interested in joining as a mentor.
> Right now I am a committer on Apache ESME and a PPMC member, so I
> would have to be elected to the incubator PMC first.
> I learned a lot from Apache ESME's incubation tim
Hi Bertrand,
I am very interested in joining as a mentor.
Right now I am a committer on Apache ESME and a PPMC member, so I
would have to be elected to the incubator PMC first.
I learned a lot from Apache ESME's incubation time and would like to
deepen my involvement at ASF and help Apache Flex be
On 21 December 2011 21:31, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Bertrand,
>
> If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator
> PMC, I would be willing to be a "Junior" Mentor.
>
Ha!!!
+1 for Dave. He's on AOO and anyone around there for more than two
weeks has learned more tha
Hi Bertrand,
If there are some experienced Mentors added and I am elected to the Incubator
PMC, I would be willing to be a "Junior" Mentor.
I've been on the Apache POI PMC for a few years - a small group with a widely
used library, and for the past 6 months I've been active on the OpenOffice
p
, the Adobe lawyers are
> not around to help us for a couple of weeks.
>
> Carol
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raju Bitter
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:04:05 -0800
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache In
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:41 PM, erwan.deferrie...@gmail.com
wrote:
...
> I'm willing to volunteer as a mentor as well.
Thanks but you need to be an Incubator PMC member for that. ASF
members get that membership just by asking. Committers on top-level
ASF projects might qualify as well, but they
3:27 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Looking for mentors for Flex (was: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache
Incubator)
Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
In case you missed my earlier call: we are still looking for mentors for
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Given the size of the codebase a
1 3:27 AM
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Looking for mentors for Flex (was: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache
> Incubator)
>
> Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
>
> In case you missed my earlier call: we are still looking for mentors for
> http://wiki.apache.org/inc
-Original Message-
From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacre...@apache.org]
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:27 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Looking for mentors for Flex (was: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache
Incubator)
Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
In case you missed my e
incubation, the Adobe lawyers are
not around to help us for a couple of weeks.
Carol
-Original Message-
From: Raju Bitter
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:04:05 -0800
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>Carol,
>
>The legal stuf
plications, again, regardless of runtime technology.
Cheers,
Rui Silva
-Original Message-
From: Leo Simons [mailto:m...@leosimons.com]
Sent: quarta-feira, 21 de Dezembro de 2011 14:43
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Hey folks,
I had to t
Raju Bitter
Reply-To: "rajubit...@gmail.com"
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:31:58 -0800
To: Adobe Systems
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Thanks for that information, Carol!
Based on this blog post on the Flex Summit it sounded
Hi Leo,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Leo Simons wrote:
> ...* Adobe could unilaterally change the license for the flash player,
> the SWF format, and/or the prerequisite SDKs, and flex would become
> essentially useless
Assuming this is true (I'm not saying it's not, but that's not
criti
Hey folks,
I had to think about this a bunch. We don't have anything like this at
apache today.
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter wrote:
>> (..) Adobe Flex is quite different from most Apache projects (...)
>> it looks like the outpu
s
Cc: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>Thanks for that information, Carol!
>
>Based on this blog post on the Flex Summit it sounded like the company
>made an announcement on support contracts there:
>http://www.peterelst.com/bl
Hi Bertrand,
It looks like this issue is well understood and I have no concerns
that the incubating community will take appropriate steps during
incubation to resolve any remaining issues regarding the name.
Craig
On Dec 21, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Wed, Dec 21, 20
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Greg Reddin wrote:
> ...I am very interested in this project as it is something we use regularly
> in my daily work. I'd probably qualify as a junior mentor since I've only
> mentored one other podling to date. But I'll add my name to the list
Great,thanks!
Thanks. I'm happy now.
Ross
On 21 December 2011 12:50, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Ross Gardler
> wrote:
>>...I request a subtle,
>> but important (for me), change in the wording of the proposal as
>> follows:
>>
>> "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts
Hi Bertrand,
I am very interested in this project as it is something we use regularly in my
daily work. I'd probably qualify as a junior mentor since I've only mentored
one other podling to date. But I'll add my name to the list.
Thanks,
Greg
Sent from my mobile device.
On Dec 21, 2011, at 4
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Ross Gardler
wrote:
>...I request a subtle,
> but important (for me), change in the wording of the proposal as
> follows:
>
> "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and websites should be
> allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
> name - however su
On 21 December 2011 10:59, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
> wrote:
>> On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>
>>> I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
>>> clearly defined - once the podling starts.
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
>> clearly defined - once the podling starts.
>
> Or rather, before it is allowed to graduate. That is but o
On 12/21/2011 4:16 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
> I totally agree that the use of the Apache Flex trademark needs to be
> clearly defined - once the podling starts.
Or rather, before it is allowed to graduate. That is but one of the many
steps during graduation, determine the provenience of
Hi Incubator PMC and ASF members,
In case you missed my earlier call: we are still looking for mentors
for http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Given the size of the codebase and the large list of initial
committers, it would be good to have at least one or two additional
experienced men
Hi Bill,
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:02 AM, William A. Rowe Jr.
wrote:
> On 12/21/2011 3:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>
>> As long as there's no confusion as to which Flex is which, and as long
>> as there's no favoritism in how people are allowed to use the Flex
>> name, I think this might
Hi Alex,
Excellent, that's really good news! I agree with you, it's probably
better to keep Falcon and Apache Flex as separate projects.
It makes a lot of sense to contribute the Flex SDK as quickly as
possible to Apache, and it wouldn't be good to have the community
waiting for it.
And I fully
On 12/21/2011 3:00 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>
> As long as there's no confusion as to which Flex is which, and as long
> as there's no favoritism in how people are allowed to use the Flex
> name, I think this might work.
Whoa... slow down. You are not correct Bertrand.
As long as there is
On 12/21/2011 1:35 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>
>> On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
>>> On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites shoul
Hi Raju,
Yes, we hope to contribute Falcon before it is finished, but it isn't ready
to be contributed now, and the rest of the Flex SDK is and we have a large
group of folks eager to get started on it.
There will be some overlap between folks working on Falcon and on the SDK,
but I think the ove
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Craig L Russell
wrote:
...
>>> On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to cre
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Craig L Russell
wrote:
> On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
...
The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to crea
On Dec 20, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr.
wrote:
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Ap
I'd prefer to see Apache Flex voted on by itself, without tying the
contribution to Falcon. I suspect there are more than enough people who are
willing to have a go atbthisbwithout Falcon.
Let's not strive for a perfect contribution from Adobe, and miss an
opportunity for an excellent contribution
Alex,
I have been watching this recording of a session in the Flex Summit a week ago:
http://tv.adobe.com/watch/flex-community-summit-december-2011/open-discussion-about-falcon-and-falconjs/
Greg DeMichillie, Sr. Director of Product Management, and Danny
Winokur, VP/GM Interactive Business Unit a
Thanks a lot, Alex.
I just wanted to get a better understanding of how Apache Flex relates
to Flash Player, Tamarin, Adobe AIR, and your responses really helped
me to get a better understanding of the proposal. All I have
heard/read so far sounds very promising. I like the direction Adobe is
takin
Listing them might be nearly impossible. I don't think we know them all.
What are the rules around something like:
riaflex dot blogspot dot com
Or
www dot cflex dot net
I think there's lots of sites like these out there.
Thanks,
-Alex
On 12/20/11 2:24 PM, "Ross Gardler" wrote:
> The
Responses inline:
On 12/20/11 12:30 PM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
>
> 1) Flash Player SDK
> What are you referring to, when listing the "Adobe Flash Player SDK"
> under "External Dependencies". The Adobe website says:
>
On 20 December 2011 22:35, William A. Rowe Jr. wrote:
> On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
>> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
>> websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
>> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for
Ross Gardler wrote on Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:24:54 +:
> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
> websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."
>
For those who don't know it alrea
On 12/20/2011 4:24 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
> websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
> name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."
>
> Whilst I don't see any problem with that in prin
gt; Carol
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Raju Bitter
> Reply-To: "rajubit...@gmail.com"
> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:49:13 -0800
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>
>>Thanks for the
The proposal says "Existing Flex-related conferences, podcasts and
websites should be allowed to continue using “Flex” as part of their
name - Apache Flex will have to create guidelines for that."
Whilst I don't see any problem with that in principle it would be
really useful to itemise these item
Bitter
Reply-To: "rajubit...@gmail.com"
Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 13:49:13 -0800
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>Thanks for the quick response, Greg!
>
>On 12/20/11 9:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 20,
r able to answer your question in a few weeks.
Carol
-Original Message-
From: Marcel Offermans
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:04 -0800
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui w
arcel Offermans
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:58:04 -0800
To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>Hello Alex,
>
>On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
Thanks, Dave, that's correct.
Who will be managing/governing the ActionScript language, after Flex
has been contributed to Apache? Is there a steering committee planned
for the language?
I can imagine that there are a number of products at Adobe using
ActionScript 3. And changes to the language w
Thanks for the quick response, Greg!
On 12/20/11 9:37 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter wrote:
>> ...
>> 2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
>> In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
>> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla-2006
One small clarification. ActionScript is a variant off of ECMascript 3
(ES3). ECMAscript 4, which included significant functionality
fromActionScript was removed from active standard development in favor of
ECMAscript 5, a incremental update to ES3. http://adobe.ly/vO2EI6
ECMA is currently working
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 15:30, Raju Bitter wrote:
>...
> 2) Action Script Virtual Machine (AVM)
> In November 2006 Adobe open source the Flash Player Script engine:
> http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla-2006-11-07.html
> Is the source code of Tamarin still the current version of the Action
Hi Alex,
re-reading the proposal, a few other questions came to my mind:
1) Flash Player SDK
What are you referring to, when listing the "Adobe Flash Player SDK"
under "External Dependencies". The Adobe website says:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_sdk/
"Sorry, page not available", a
Yes, that is fine.
On 12/20/11 2:27 AM, "Bertrand Delacretaz" wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Kalle Korhonen
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>>> Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
>>
>> Even still, companies don't participate in ASF projects, individua
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 7:32 AM, Alex Harui wrote:
> On 12/19/11 3:39 PM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
...
>> 8) Open standards support
>> The whole proposal does not mention open standards, JavaScript, or the
>> buzz word "HTML5". Again, it might make sense to make support of open
>> standards with Adob
Thanks for the detailed answers, Alex.
2011/12/20 Alex Harui :
> My responses inline.
>
>
> On 12/19/11 3:39 PM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> the proposal looks very promising. I have a few questions around
>> ActionScript, runtime environments for compiled code, HTML5/JavaScript
>> c
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 5:55 AM, Kalle Korhonen
wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
>
> Even still, companies don't participate in ASF projects, individuals
> do. To me, the proposal implies Adobe is a participating entity. The
> senten
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> ...I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
> Here's a link to the proposal:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Thanks Alex for posting this - as mentioned there, we are looking for
more incubation mentors,
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 9:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
> Here's a link to the proposal:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Pasted inline:
= Apache Flex Proposal =
== Abstract ==
Apache Flex is an application framework
My responses inline.
On 12/19/11 3:39 PM, "Raju Bitter" wrote:
> Hi Alex,
>
> the proposal looks very promising. I have a few questions around
> ActionScript, runtime environments for compiled code, HTML5/JavaScript
> cross-compilation support, and target runtime environments listed:
>
> 1) W
On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
> Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
Even still, companies don't participate in ASF projects, individuals
do. To me, the proposal implies Adobe is a participating entity. The
sentence in question would read better as "To that end, employees of
Ado
Agreed. That is/was my read, too.
On Dec 19, 2011 6:48 PM, "ralph.goers @dslextreme.com" <
ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
> I don't read it that way. Yes, ASF projects only contain individuals, but
> most of those individuals are employed and are in some way influenced by
> their employer. Ca
I don't read it that way. Yes, ASF projects only contain individuals, but
most of those individuals are employed and are in some way influenced by
their employer. Calling out that the initial set of committers will be
diverse and that a majority of those committers will be coming from places
other
Hi Alex,
the proposal looks very promising. I have a few questions around
ActionScript, runtime environments for compiled code, HTML5/JavaScript
cross-compilation support, and target runtime environments listed:
1) When you speak of ActionScript, is it planned to continue the
development of the A
pache.org"
>Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:46:13 -0800
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org"
>Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Flex for Apache Incubator
>
>A minor comment on one sentence...
>
>"To that end, Adobe will only have minority representation on the
Hello Alex,
On Dec 19, 2011, at 21:20 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
> Here's a link to the proposal:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
First of all, thanks for this proposal, it looks well thought out. I have a
question
A minor comment on one sentence...
"To that end, Adobe will only have minority representation on the
initial committers list."
As I understand it, companies don't have representation in Apache
projects. Individuals do, that may or may not belong to a given
company, and that may or may not be ope
Hoo hoo!! Look at that committer list!
Great stuff. Happy to see this finally land. Big +1!
On Dec 19, 2011 3:21 PM, "Alex Harui" wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
>
> Here's a link to the proposal:
> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexPr
Hi everyone,
I would like to propose Flex to be an Apache Incubator project.
Here's a link to the proposal:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/FlexProposal
Thank you,
Alex Harui
Flex SDK Team
Adobe Systems, Inc.
http://blogs.adobe.com/aharui
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