Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that you are raising an orthogonal issue. You are talking about
wanting to be able to keep up with the ASF more easily and effectively. I
don't disagree with you, but I don't think that it is any easier to locate
content on one massive web site with tons of large s
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
...
I don't doubt it, and the proof ought to be in the ones that have already
done so. I do ask if the PMC doing anything to help encourage other
projects to matriculate?
Last time I proposed that the Jakarta PMC asks some projects if they
wanted to go top-level it did no
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:11:45 -0700
Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
...
Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is the size of thi
> I have a question, which has (IMO) not been answered in the current
> discussion: What is the advantage for me as an Apache user (client,
> whatever you call those mere people like me which are simply
> following from the outside, doing downloads from time to time).
First of all, I hope that no
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I would support JetSpeed+Pluto+WSRP4J+possibly others
eventually becoming [a TLP].
Agreed. Other candidates that have been suggested by one person or another
include:
Turbine
Velocity
Lucene (or to db.apache.org?)
Struts
I have a question, which has (IMO) not
Sam Ruby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 19/09/2003 08:42:26 AM:
> It took repeated attemps to get Ant to "matriculate". And significant
> effort for Avalon. James is the only project that I recall that did it
> of their own initiative.
I always wondered how Maven got out from under jakarta/turb
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 12:11:45 -0700
Greg Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 17, 2003 at 10:59:29AM -0700, Steve Viens wrote:
> >...
> > Create jUDDI mailing lists and archives:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> What is the size of
>>>ASF Member status continues to maintain a certain club quality
>>>within which privaliges ebb-and-flow toi sute the moment).
>
>>Huh?
>>
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msg
No=2002
>
> I want you to think of two societies (a) a small society that
> establishes a board which
> Those [projects] that have remained in Jakarta are because of strong
> desire to be there. In particular, I remember a pretty strong reaction
> by Turbine when the suggestion was made that they should become a TLP.
> It took repeated attemps to get Ant to "matriculate". And significant
> effor
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
ASF Member status continues to maintain a certain club quality
within which privaliges ebb-and-flow toi sute the moment).
Huh?
I want you to think of two societies (a) a small society that
establishes a board which creates the notion of membership by invitation
which in
> ASF Member status continues to maintain a certain club quality
> within which privaliges ebb-and-flow toi sute the moment).
Huh?
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msg
No=2002
--- Noel
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To unsubscr
Sam Ruby wrote:
Stephen McConnell wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
James is the only project that I recall that did it of their own
initiative.
Correction - Avalon was of its own iniative.
Hearing that statement makes me feel VERY good. ;-)
Zutt - thinking back to the days of the reorg discuss
> From: Jeff Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The website needs to be periodically updated from CVS (xml-site module).
> I think Berin Lautenbach has established a cron job to update XML sites,
> so all you need to do in future is render the docs and update
> xml-site/targets/xmlbeans.
If you guys ca
> One thing that might be confusing this is that *I* had the intent of
> submitting the XNode 1.0 API to ASF while I was at Sun. This intent
> was not broadcast outside of the few programmers I was working with,
> and was never acted upon by anyone at Sun, including me. Legal never
> heard of it, n
Stephen McConnell wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
James is the only project that I recall that did it of their own
initiative.
Correction - Avalon was of its own iniative.
Hearing that statement makes me feel VERY good. ;-)
Cheers, Steve.
Note: Stephen is not a subscriber to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] maili
Aleksander Slominski wrote:
> Murray Altheim wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is a proposal for a metadata API for use in Xindice, though it can
>> be used more generally for adding an XML metadata wrapper around an XML
>> node. In short, it's SOAP-like, but *actually* simple.
>>
>> Brian suggested I
Sam Ruby wrote:
James is the only project that I recall that did it of their own
initiative.
Correction - Avalon was of its own iniative.
Cheers, Steve.
--
Stephen J. McConnell
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-
To unsubscribe,
I think any ASF member that wants to be active in any part of incubation
should be immediately placed on the PMC as soon as they request it.
Non-ASF members should have to prove themselves worthy first, taking
into
consideration their involvement in other ASF projects, but they too
should
be part
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:10:03PM -0700, David Remy wrote:
> I am getting close to having a revised XMLBeans website using Forrest
> ready for publication. I have a few questions that I am hoping someone
> will know about.
>
> 1) I am thinking of having the website as a top level directory und
Cliff Schmidt wrote:
[...]
Yes - still just collecting notes and links on the Wiki; I'm sure some
actual sentences would be more helpful -- sorry that's not ready yet.
Here's my $0.02 on two other issues (one cent each):
- In reading the email you wrote to Brian, I felt like you were saying
that th
My name is will wood, and I'm inquiring about contributing to Geronimo.
My background includes over 23 years in IT including Software
architecture and development including
C/C++/Java and other "dead" languages, pascal, fortran, lisp, pl1
I'd like to contribute where I can.
Thanks.
Will K. Wo
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:10:03 -0700
(Subject: XMLBeans website)
"David Remy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am getting close to having a revised XMLBeans website using Forrest
> ready for publication. I have a few questions that I am hoping
> someone will know about.
I am eager to see :)
> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> This also fits in with what Ted just said. He is shepharding XMLBeans on
> behalf of the XML PMC. They are, I hope, acting as an involved parent, not
> just delegating to the Incubator PMC. So Ted ought to be working with the
> Incubator PMC to en
> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > I have similar reservations about prior approval by target projects as a
> > prerequisite for acceptance by the incubator.
>
> It is not, in fact.
>
> The rule is simple: a PMC has to vote that it wants that project.
>
> The PMC can be the Incu
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I would support JetSpeed+Pluto+WSRP4J+possibly others
eventually becoming [a TLP].
Agreed. Other candidates that have been suggested by one person or another
include:
Turbine
Velocity
Lucene (or to db.apache.org?)
Struts
separately or in some semantically relate
Murray Altheim wrote:
Hi all,
This is a proposal for a metadata API for use in Xindice, though it can
be used more generally for adding an XML metadata wrapper around an XML
node. In short, it's SOAP-like, but *actually* simple.
Brian suggested I join this list and make the proposal here. I've
i
> I did not mean a PMC member, but any dedicated ASF member.
> I was simply reminding all that we needed someone to step up to
> be the podling's shepherd.
Ah, ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding. From Nicola Ken's message, he
seems to be offering that he'll act as the PMC representative for the
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:29:16 -0400
(Subject: Re: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS))
Jim Jagielski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
> if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
> Way" in building communities
> We have not voted on any definitive resolution about this, but currently
> there is an informal rule sprung out of necessity that each incubating
> project should have someone from Apache that sponsors and actively works
> with the project, and a shepherd from the PMC that oversees and reports
>
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > Jakarta has too much on its plate and should probably be closed to new
> > projects until more of the existing ones are promoted to TLP status,
> > so I'd suggest DB, instead. But it ought not come to that, given the
> > Board's TLP directive.
> Embedd
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > That is exactly what I said. It requires a shepherd; someone
> > who is the go-to/go-between.
>
> On that we agree. The only point of difference appears to be the nature of
> the Shephard. You seem(ed) to be saying that it had to be a member of the
> Incubator PMC,
I am getting close to having a revised XMLBeans website using Forrest ready for
publication. I have a few questions that I am hoping someone will know about.
1) I am thinking of having the website as a top level directory under xml-xmlbeans in
cvs (a peer to v1 and soon v2). It looks like ot
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
Sam Ruby wrote:
Sander Striker wrote:
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 AM
My understanding from discussion with Sam and Ken was that creation
of a new
TLP or migrating to an existing one would be an exit, not entry
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I'm +1 on Directory being in Jakarta if it is not possible for a TLP to
be an exit strategy, and then reassessing its TLP-ness later.
If that were an entry criteria, I'd agree with the concept, although Jakarta
has too much on its plate and should probably be closed to new p
Sam Ruby wrote:
Sander Striker wrote:
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 AM
My understanding from discussion with Sam and Ken was that creation
of a new
TLP or migrating to an existing one would be an exit, not entry, issue.
That's correct.
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
That is exactly what I said. It requires a shepherd; someone
who is the go-to/go-between.
On that we agree. The only point of difference appears to be the nature of
the Shephard. You seem(ed) to be saying that it had to be a member of the
Incubator PMC, whereas I'm suggest
> That is exactly what I said. It requires a shepherd; someone
> who is the go-to/go-between.
On that we agree. The only point of difference appears to be the nature of
the Shephard. You seem(ed) to be saying that it had to be a member of the
Incubator PMC, whereas I'm suggesting that the shepha
On Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:28 AM, Berin Lautenbach wrote:
> G'day Murray,
>
> The process documentation for this is not yet something you can hang
> your hat on.
>
> However, you can have a look at some previous proposals :
>
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPag
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 03:40 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Without a clear sense of responsibility, the end result
are that podlings are essentially left on their own and
"every" Incubator member thinks someone else is
doing the oversight. :/
I really thought that
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> > I don't know if everyone agrees, but I do favor a single point of
reference
> > for those documents.
> likewise. and since they're educational to new apache participants,
> the incubator seems like a good place to me.
It will be intere
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Without a clear sense of responsibility, the end result
> are that podlings are essentially left on their own and
> "every" Incubator member thinks someone else is
> doing the oversight. :/
I really thought that I had provided a clearer picture than that. Who has
the "clea
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 03:07 PM, Ted Leung wrote:
On 9/18/2003 4:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
See my previous post. The Incubator itself can accept projects, if
it so
chooses. The project can then sit in the Incuba
On 9/18/2003 10:38 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three
persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting
Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The
On 9/18/2003 4:46 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
See my previous post. The Incubator itself can accept projects, if it so
chooses. The project can then sit in the Incubator as long as the
Incubator wants to allow it. But for exit, it w
Without a clear sense of responsibility, the end result
are that podlings are essentially left on their own and
"every" Incubator member thinks someone else is
doing the oversight. :/
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 02:47 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
we need someone in the Incubator to *accept
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>
> I don't know if everyone agrees, but I do favor a single point of reference
> for those documents.
likewise. and since they're educational to new apache participants,
the incubator seems like a good place to me.
> As for time, didn't you recently resign as Commons Cha
> we need someone in the Incubator to *accept* being
> the official shepherd for the podling. We cannot accept
> a project into Incubator without someone with the
> Incubator watching over it.
That is a new criteria to me. Hadn't heard that one before. Personally, I
don't think that it scales.
Henri Yandell wrote:
> > Sander Striker wrote:
> > > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 AM
>
> > > My understanding from discussion with Sam and Ken was that creation of
a new
> > > TLP or migrating to an existing one would be an exit, not
Sander Striker wrote:
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 AM
My understanding from discussion with Sam and Ken was that creation of a new
TLP or migrating to an existing one would be an exit, not entry, issue.
That's correct. However, it wouldn'
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:46:16PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
>...
> P.S. Maybe, you can post your message directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> dev list. In that case, you do not have to undergo the
> incubation process, I guess.
Code that is brought to the ASF must *always* go through th
> Mr. Ken Coar is rather HTTPD/ApacheCon oriented person.
> Mr. Nicola Ken Barozzi is rather Jakarta/XML/Cocoon oriented person.
> Mr. Paul Hammant is rather Jakarta/Avalon oriented person.
There are some cultural differences that ought to be discussed, understood,
and made use of, but I don't see
> > I think that in Incubator, there need at least two or three
> > persons who have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
I think we need people on the PMC who are doing the work, not expecting
Chairs and Vice Chairs to do things for them. The people who work on the
PMC, and in the project
Ken,
> i see the incubator as having two roles. one is the
> entry path for new packages and their communities
I think that everyone agrees on this, although not everyone may understand
all of the nuances. For example, I wasn't clear on why a project should go
through Incubator if there is an e
Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
> if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
> Way" in building communities and projects, has a PMC structure
> which is totally unique within the ASF.
?? you mean the chix and valences bit? or th
Personally, I think it would be almost obscenely ironic
if the Incubator, which is designed to help ensure the "Apache
Way" in building communities and projects, has a PMC structure
which is totally unique within the ASF.
-
To unsu
In ThoughtWorks we try to pair (no need
to introduce XP is there?) on as much as possible... works well. It can
even work distributed.
- ph
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:51:13 +0200
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
in
Hi,
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:51:13 +0200
"Sander Striker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
> > in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
> > have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
> Why would we need more peo
G'day Murray,
The process documentation for this is not yet something you can hang
your hat on.
However, you can have a look at some previous proposals :
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPages
Cliff also started putting some stuff that may be of assistance together
here
Ah, hah. I've read the xindice ml threads.
...
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=xindice-dev&m=104757928505845&w=2
and recent ones.
... Okay. If you have a question about the licensing issues,
please contact to licensingapache.org. (mailing list)
There are many people who have concerns about the
How about xml-commons? for example see resolver under http://xml.apache.org/commons/.
you will
need to post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing lists.
-- dims
--- Murray Altheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Please go to
> > http://nagoya.ap
Hi incubators,
some of you may know me from ApacheCon participation. This is a call
for participation in an online discussion.
The Kannel project (http://www.kannel.org/) is considering in
incubating into ASF as own project tree (with sub-project follow-up
for MMSC, SMPP/EMI server, etc.).
I'd l
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
Hi!
Please go to
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPages
and create a *nice* proposal at first.
Good Sample:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ProposalForJUDDI
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JaxMeProposal
Then, you can seek the
Paul Hammant wrote:
Murray,
Please have a little patience with us dude. We're embroilled in
discussion on PMC chair, and other incoming projects presently.
Paul,
Yes, I understand that. I wasn't wanting or expecting anyone to spend
a bunch of time on this right now, just wanting info on how I s
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 09:17 AM, Sander Striker wrote:
From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:07 PM
I really hate to keep harping on this, but the whole
idea of the PMC Chair having "power" somehow implies that
the PMC itself is under the
> From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 3:07 PM
> I really hate to keep harping on this, but the whole
> idea of the PMC Chair having "power" somehow implies that
> the PMC itself is under the "whim" of the Chair. Yes, the
> chair has the ultimate respo
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Sander Striker wrote:
> > From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 5:11 AM
>
> > My understanding from discussion with Sam and Ken was that creation of a new
> > TLP or migrating to an existing one would be an exit, not entry, is
On Thursday, September 18, 2003, at 08:51 AM, Sander Striker wrote:
From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:09 AM
[...]
I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
have re
> From: Tetsuya Kitahata [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:09 AM
[...]
> I thought the same thing. Also, to tell the truth, I think that
> in Incubator, there need at least two or three persons who
> have real power. (One Chair and two Vice Chair?)
Why would we ne
Hi!
Please go to
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ASFProposalPages
and create a *nice* proposal at first.
Good Sample:
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ProposalForJUDDI
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JaxMeProposal
Then, you can seek the *nice* ( = appropria
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Please see:
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?ApacheDirectoryProject
>
> What needs be done to adopt this project for inbubation, other than a vote
> to accept it, getting CLAs from the project members, and setting up the
> infrastructure?
i'm +1 on acceptin
Murray,
Please have a little patience with us dude. We're embroilled in
discussion on PMC chair, and other incoming projects presently.
- Paul
Since I've had no reply to my request, could somebody at least
point me to any existing process by which submissions to the
incubator are made? I reali
Can we all recall one big important thing: the PMC Chair's
role is not to "run the PMC" (as we normally use that
term). That is, in fact, the role of the PMC itself. The Chair
has ultimate authority and responsibility and is also the one
who reports to the board, but the power of the PMC is in the
Since I've had no reply to my request, could somebody at least
point me to any existing process by which submissions to the
incubator are made? I realize you're all busy with this voting over
leadership, so I could begin putting together whatever package is
expected for a proposal. I've read the on
On Wednesday, September 17, 2003, at 08:16 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
See my previous post. The Incubator itself can accept projects, if it
so
chooses. The project can then sit in the Incubator as long as the
Incubator wants to allow it. But for exit, it will need *some* PMC to
accept it, or for the
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> I think that Nicola Ken Coar would do a fine job as PMC Chair. ;-)
heh!
> Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have any
> substantively different views on what should happen with Incubator.
what should happen, or what it should do? i don't
As with the others I nominated myself :-) After Nicola, but before Ken.
http://nagoya.apache.org/eyebrowse/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgId=793128
Just a reminder that I'm not some rumor, and that I am up for it :-)
I stand for ...
* helping projects/teams come in, provided the fit is good.
* ensurin
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote:
...
Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have any
substantively different views on what should happen with Incubator.
From what I gather, Ken Coar is probably the one on the Incubator PMC
that has more similar views to mine. On the whole though,
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 17:18:16 -0400
(Subject: RE: [VOTE] New Chair (Re: cvs commit : incubator STATUS))
"Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think that Nicola Ken Coar would do a fine job as PMC Chair. ;-)
;-)
> Ok, name games aside, I honestly don't know if Ken or Nicola Ken have
David Remy wrote:
Thinking about how to do the binary distribution for XMLBeans. We have a build target that creates xkit.zip which contains the xbeans.jar, some helpful utilities, some sample schemas, and the docs. This is what has been distributed to users in the past.
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