Noel J. Bergman wrote:

I would support JetSpeed+Pluto+WSRP4J+possibly others
eventually becoming [a TLP].


Agreed.  Other candidates that have been suggested by one person or another
include:

   Turbine
   Velocity
   Lucene (or to db.apache.org?)
   Struts

I have a question, which has (IMO) not been answered in the current discussion: What is the advantage for me as an Apache user (client, whatever you call those mere people like me which are simply following from the outside, doing downloads from time to time).



My personal opinion is that the usability of the Apache Project degrades strongly with any new TLP. I remember a time when I had to follow httpd.apache.org, xml.apache.org, and jakarta.apache.org and had the feeling to know the most important thing. For example, new subprojects, new releases (difficult in the case of xml.apache.org, btw, which is almost *never* using its own "news" page ... :-), the stuff I want to know.


Things changed. Coccon got TLP, Ant got TLP. The result is, that I have to watch two websites more. What good is that for? Now I am reading that I probably have to do the same for a lot of other projects in the future. Shit!

I have no idea of the organisational rationale behind the desire for more TLP's. Personally I have serious doubts that it is a good decision: AFAIK any TLP is sending his chair to the board, and I do not believe, that a board of hundred people is better to manage than now. Likewise, I do not believe that a discussion between hundred TLP's will succeed faster than between ten. But that's your side.

However, if you really think there is reason for more TLP's, *please* consider to keep a reasonable hierarchy for those silly users like me.


Jochen



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