Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread Dallas O'Brien
g errors! > - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" > > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:33 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows > > >> Hi, also, I'm not too sure w

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, And to add to Dallas's post one reason Windows 7 and Windows 8 run as well as they do is because Microsoft did some long over do house cleaning when it comes to legacy code and libraries. They did their best to trim the fat per say out of the operating system, and some stuff clearly had to go

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread shaun everiss
its more the interface changes happening all at once. suddenly its accept this new interface or die and I have issues with this. At 05:06 PM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Another thing to bear in mind, when considering how fast Microsoft have change things on people, is that it was not actually that sur

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread James Bartlett
write me at kenwdow...@me.com . Crazy Ken - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows besides, the man has so much money, shaking him until

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread James Bartlett
ot;Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi James, Excuse me here, but what in the blue blazes does that have to do with the topic at hand? Cheers! On 5/1/13, James Bartlett wrote: Hello this is something that a a lot of people

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-02 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Hi. The only thing to keep in mind here, is that although the blind community still like their 16-bit applications, 99.9% of the rest of the world, stopped using 16-bit, a long, long, long! Time ago. LOL. And that, is what Microsoft have to keep in mind, when creating an operating system. There

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
amers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows I'm sorry, but I don't see how just because jaws can't access windows eight correctly, that it means windows eight is in accessible. Due to the fact that NVDA works with it perfectly well, and y

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Ken The PionEar
...@me.com . Crazy Ken - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows besides, the man has so much money, shaking him until lots of cash falls out

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen
I don't think it's the changes to the interface that is the sole concern. It's more like not being able to play 16 bit games on a 64 bit system, the dropping of old legacy hardware from new pcs such as serial ports and parallel ports, I still use my old artic transport to play old dos games th

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dallas, Yes, that is true. Microsoft is generally pretty good of keeping their customer base in the know of what is changing and why, but either because of lack of funds or a desire simply not to upgrade a lot of blind gamers choose not to update knowing it years in advance. So I agree regardle

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Another thing to bear in mind, when considering how fast Microsoft have change things on people, is that it was not actually that surprising. For example VB, and other codes, Microsoft in fact told people years ago what it was going to do. Same with Windows XP, it's not as if Microsoft have come

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Lisa Hayes
Does he mean an arrest record? if so how not relevant. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, p

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Scott Chesworth
Gotcha. Thanks for the explanation man, helped a lot. Scott On 5/2/13, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Scott, > > Well, I just did some research on your question and it turns out that > service pack 3 for XP contains UI Automation so in answer to your > question they should receive the same or equal ac

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Scott, Well, I just did some research on your question and it turns out that service pack 3 for XP contains UI Automation so in answer to your question they should receive the same or equal access as a Windows 8 user when UI Automation is used assuming the screen reader has UI Automation suppor

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi James, Excuse me here, but what in the blue blazes does that have to do with the topic at hand? Cheers! On 5/1/13, James Bartlett wrote: > Hello > > this is something that a a lot of people don't know about Mr.gates, But > > do you know that he has anarest rackerd. I Found it back like 6

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Agreed. For those users looking to upgrade to Windows 8 I found the Jaws 14 demo to be unsatisfactory compared to free solutions like NVDA which has continued to offer superior access to Windows 8 throughout the betas and now the stable releases. I don't think because Jaws is a poor product t

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
Hmmm I would aggree with ou tomas but really, my issue is that ms just banged changes on us. If it was slowly done then maybe it wouldn't matter. At 04:04 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so l

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree with you on that tom. I am still working on xp and 7 on 2 laptops. I have not done to much gaming on the 7 box though as I have spent most of my time sorting out files. At 03:40 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, Since you insist on appraising Windows 7 totally on the basis of benefits

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
well thats a good point for vms keeping your host os secure is fine. At 03:16 AM 5/2/2013, you wrote: Hi Dark, if you can get to an Apple store you can try a Mac to your heart's content. :) Also, if you run a virtual machine, you do not need virus protection. YOu back up your VM and if someth

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Exactly, and although I have yet to use a Mac to any great extent, I can see the benefits of how their Scheme works. Upgrade slowly, get the users used to something slowly, so that it's not a jarring experience. And of course means, that they don't tend to bring in new features very quickly, but

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
I'm sorry, but I don't see how just because jaws can't access windows eight correctly, that it means windows eight is in accessible. Due to the fact that NVDA works with it perfectly well, and yes, I have tested jaws 14 myself. And I agree, JAWS 14 is hopeless in windows eight. But I don't think

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
Hello this is something that a a lot of people don't know about Mr.gates, But do you know that he has anarest rackerd. I Found it back like 6years ago. I don't know what it was for, but it was def his mug shot. it looked to me to be from the 70s. I'll never forget that smile and those big n

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
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Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
Yes I do know that little tidbit, but I was just joking around l o l. I was just trying to add a little huommer to the topic. I think that some people are missunderstanding what Dark was trying to say. He's not pointing the finger at the programers. Just at MS for not thinking things out like al

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Scott Chesworth
Hi Tom, Thanks, good to know. So then, what would happen for a screen reader user who was attempting to use a program under XP if a developer had gone with UI Automation as their accessibility API? Do the screen readers have some way of bridging the gap between UI Automation and MSAA, or would tha

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dallas, Yes, I know that. The issue in question was comparing Windows 8 to Windows XP not Windows 8 to Windows 7. So from that perspective pinning apps to the Task Bar is certainly a Windows 8 thing from the point of view of a XP user. :D Cheers! On 5/1/13, Dallas O'Brien wrote: > Note. You

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Stephen, Yes, it does. UI Automation was initially developed and released for Windows 7, but naturally is included on Windows 8 as a part of the new OS as well. On 5/1/13, Stephen wrote: > Doesn't UIA automation work on windows 7 too? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you wan

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Scott, No. UI Automation is strictly speaking only available for Windows 7 and Windows 8.. I'm not sure if Microsoft has plans of making it available for Windows Vista, but I know they have no plans to make it available for XP. Given the fact XP is about to be dropped anyway I can't say I am to

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi James, FYI it is called Linux not Linnex. Just thought you might want to know the proper spelling. Do you hav a distribution in mind? Cheers! On 5/1/13, James Bartlett wrote: > Hi > > because of all the stuff I've seen mS put there costumers throu the > years and just getting tyred of t

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dallas, Agreed. It is sort of amusing because as you said Microsoft has stuck with the XP look and feel for so long that users forgot what it was like to go from Windows 3.1 to Windows 95 or from Windows 98 to XP. Both offered major changes in the user interface and I don't remember people scre

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi, Not only that, but if you are not putting your Windows VM on the Internet then your chances of getting a virus or some other nasty piece of malware is slim. If your VM is not exposed to high risk situations like Internet sites, email infections, etc then it will probably be pretty safe, and if

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Since you insist on appraising Windows 7 totally on the basis of benefits here are some benefits to consider. They may be important to you or not but here are some things to consider all the same. 1. UI Automation. As mentioned earlier this is a new API available for Windows 7 and Window

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Cara Quinn
Hi Dark, if you can get to an Apple store you can try a Mac to your heart's content. :) Also, if you run a virtual machine, you do not need virus protection. YOu back up your VM and if something happens to it, you simply throw it away and bring up the backup. Since you're not running Windows on

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, No, UI Automation wouldn't effect Dosbox one way or another because Dosbox doesn't use the Windows API which is precisely why it doesn't work in the first place. UI Automation is simply a bridge between Windows applications built using the standard Windows API and adaptive technologies su

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Dark, Actually, there is an important difference here. When you press alt+control+o to launch Outlook Express it launches a new instance of the program. What makes pinning programs to the Task Bar special is if the application is running pressing the hot key for the application will immediately

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
More secure, does not necessarily mean antivirus. Yes, having an anti-virus package in place can help, but in the end, viruses are actually the least of your worries. There are a lot of gaps in Windows XP, that have yet to be filled. Ways and means, that people can use, to get hold of informatio

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
se it to pay off everyone else :D. > > Beware the Grue! > > dark. > - Original Message - From: "James Bartlett" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 11:02 AM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp wi

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
--- From: "Dallas O'Brien" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everyt

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
#x27;Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Note. You could pin apps to the taskbar in Windows 7 as well. LOL. That is not a windows 8 thing. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
Dark. - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
Nope steven, which indeed was one of my points. Beware the Grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Stephen" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows if I switch to win

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
Hi valllient. i'm afraid that taking more than several hours with the windows 7 interface is precisely my point, particularly compared to sighted users who can instantly see and click. As I said, that people can! use windows 7's display I don't dispute, my issue is why should! people bother

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread dark
Hi. Well I will have a look at the mack alternative, provided I can actually try one first, and particularly see virtual xp working for backwards compatibility, however on the security front, that to me is technical specks rather than practical good. If I can run windows xp with an antivirus a

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
7;t think that there would be anoff room in a > truck for all those people. So it is much eazier to just kidnap the one that > started it all. lol > > -- > From: "Dallas O'Brien" > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 6:23

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
0, 2013 6:23 PM > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows > >> Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much >> to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
Hi because of all the stuff I've seen mS put there costumers throu the years and just getting tyred of them pushing there stuff on people I'm making the move to Linnex. It will take some time getting use to, but I started with windows at one point not knowing nothing and I can do the same

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread James Bartlett
30, 2013 6:23 PM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps yo

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
well I am still storing files and folders on the drive root like I have always done. ofcause uac is disabled right now on my personal and things are as normal. At 06:57 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hello Yes that is the one thing I like about 7 is the search option. The only thing I don't like

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
Thats a good point dallas I am playing tactical battle and on this xp unit I am having issue with big maps lagging loads. on this 64 bit unit even though its only running a 32 bit os for now thats not as bad. At 06:48 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: It would also mean, that you can create games with ve

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread shaun everiss
I understand where you are coming from. Yes I got jaws training and earlier keynote gold dos training within keysoft. Everything else I have done I have done with trial error and reformat. True I looked at a few manuals but hardly mostly relying on shortcuts I found in programs. windows has been

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Scott Chesworth
Hey Tom, Very quick question which isn't particularly game related but would be good to know. Is UI Automation backward compatible in any way? I'm asking from the point of view of someone who finds themselves writing to plugin developers quite often to see whether there's any interest in improvin

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen
Doesn't UIA automation work on windows 7 too? At 05:00 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reade

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Note. You could pin apps to the taskbar in Windows 7 as well. LOL. That is not a windows 8 thing. Regards: Dallas On 01/05/2013, at 17:00, Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi Charles, > > Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP > is they have a new API called UI Automation

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Yes, that would probably be a good way around it. You want a machine with at least 8 GB of RAM. So that you can dedicate either 2 or 4 gigs to a virtual machine. Yet another reason, I'm considering a Mac. I could have the Mac OS, if I have enough resaws is as well, I could then run windows eight

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Stephen
OH Crudd!! I thought there was a catch. Perhaps it would be good to get a machine with lots of gigs of ram, then install a virtual xp machine upon it and do it that way. At 04:10 PM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Stephen, That depends on which version of Windows 7 you get. If you get the standard 32-

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-05-01 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Well, one thing Microsoft has done in Windows 8 that is superior to XP is they have a new API called UI Automation which acts as a bridge between the graphical controls on your screen and your screen reader. It is for this reason that all the virtual intercept drivers and off-screen mo

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread James Bartlett
Hello Yes that is the one thing I like about 7 is the search option. The only thing I don't like about it is that if you are looking for a file lets say it's name is sounds but there are 10 other sounds files in your computer it doesn't show u the path of that file so you don't know where t

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Dallas O'Brien
It would also mean, that you can create games with very intense audio soundscapes, and still get very good response times out of the machine for navigating around and other actions within the game. Where as on 32-bit, you probably can't do that very easily, not with very intense audio soundscape

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread James Bartlett
Hello I tought myself how to use JAWS on XP back in 2010, but back in June of 2012 I started taking a computer class that is not only for the blind, but is tought by the blind. they tought me how to use JAWS on windows 7. Now I was tought one and learn the other on my own, and I still perfe

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
grammatical and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "Dallas O'Brien" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi, also, I'm not too sure where the idea that M

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Charles, The biggest reason for this is the future. Look what has happened to BSC games. XP has far more years behind than ahead. We can't afford to make games

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
Again I aggree with you draconis. That was why I eventually decided to get a box with no more than 4gb. I was running with half that. I can now use and continue to use 32 bit software even though its not the best to do so. On the subject of dosbox frank has told me that he does not know much c a

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Shaun, I am afraid I don't follow your logic here. I don't see what waiting for Jim Kitchen, GMA, Aprone, etc to upgrade to VB .NET or whatever has to do with you upgrading to say Windows 7. The fact of the matter is most of their games, the current ones written in VB 6, run fine on Windows 7 a

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Stephen, That depends on which version of Windows 7 you get. If you get the standard 32-bit edition all or most of your old 16-bit Dos games should run. For example, right now I have Piledriver and Eamon Deluxe both running on my Compaq laptop running Windows 7 32 bit edition and those Dos ba

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Enes, That is quite possible. I've not done a lot of performance testing on that yet, but one thing I can say is because 64-bit processors can handle long doubles it will be far more accurate and precise about in game calculations involving angles and distances. Plus if a game developer throws

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Stephen
it better. You might surprise yourself. -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi tom. touchscreens are the rub h

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread enes
hi, so will games which are compiled as 64 bit have a performance difference when ran on a 64 bit capable pc On 5/1/2013 4:22 AM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Charles, Um...You got that backwards. For the record 32-bit games and software will work fine on a 64-bit version of Windows. However, a 64-bi

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, Um...You got that backwards. For the record 32-bit games and software will work fine on a 64-bit version of Windows. However, a 64-bit application will not work on a 32-bit version of Windows. It is precisely for that reason why I strictly compile all my games as 32-bit in order to mak

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Ryan Strunk
ent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 3:38 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi tom. touchscreens are the rub however with that one and why I don't want to completely dismiss windows eight, since I do indeed like the touchscreen interface

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Ryan Strunk
ginal Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 2:12 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Is it equally accessible to a blind user, though? The ribbon system is a big

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Valiant8086
Hi. What specific places do you have issues getting to? I generally find where I want to go on windows 7 just as fast as I did on xp. The thing is, it took me a lot longer than several hours to learn the best way to get to things. I wonder if you didn't find certain shortcuts when you were exp

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Charles, When it comes to this issue of developers verses users I think you are forgetting that audio game developers are users too

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Dallas O'Brien
t; From: "Thomas Ward" > To: "Gamers Discussion list" > Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:15 PM > Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows > > >> Hi Charles, >> >> When it comes to this issue of developers verses users I thi

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
ot;Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
ng errors! - Original Message - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Charles, When it comes to this issue of developers verses users I think you

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
yeah I aggree the ribbons and searchboxes I took a while to get used to but now I can't do without them in some situations. At 10:54 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: wow, I just read through all of this. personally, I agree mostly with Thom and Josh, and while I definitely understand that there are tho

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
Yeah sometimes people me included forget that everyone even a lowly pirate has to be a user first. At 10:15 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, When it comes to this issue of developers verses users I think you are forgetting that audio game developers are users too. Since we intend to use an

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
yeah xp rtm is really bad I had that happen to me immediately to. sp1 and in fact sp2 and up are better but its true. At 06:22 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: hi, you forgot about the ability of windows 8 to perform all maintenence tasks together directed by one process so unlike win7 windows 8 will d

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
well while win8 is really bad maybe win9 will be better maybe if win8 has a service pack it may be bettr. Vista was not really good till a sp was done. At 05:51 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Charles, That's true. One that I will strongly consider as a software developer. However, as I also pointe

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree with you john. to all the rubbishers of 7 the search box is faster than xp start menu if you know bits of what you want. I use it all the time. it makes my job doing support to be a lot better. At 05:49 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: The search box is really intuitive; but if it doesn't fin

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
l and spelling errors! - Original Message - From: "dark" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi charlse. i do agree, particularly since a lot of the changes in windows 7 a

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
possibly considder a mac in the future, though I'll have to try windows 8 first. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: "Draconis" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, p

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree I think we should have a choice to run whatever interface we want but use the core engines. even if it means we don't get extra features. At 04:49 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Which is also why there needs to be better reasons to stop using xp than currently, aprticularly given the buggered

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread dan cook
wow, I just read through all of this. personally, I agree mostly with Thom and Josh, and while I definitely understand that there are those who do not have the money to upgrade their system regularly, I do think the VI community needs to try and adapt more as a whole, rather than staying safe by s

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
as a user I aggree but as a hacker and a tech its not how the system works. I just went to 7 I really couldn't give a stiff but 7 is better and less mangled than 8 at least on 32 bit I can use my old software still. I have had experiences with the os so know what I am in for. At 04:17 AM 5/1/20

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree draconis. uia is really good, why ms didn't use it earlier is beyond me. do they know how much strife we users have had to deal with drivers, morror drivers dcm chains, and drivers overlapping forcing reformats. At 03:32 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Tom and all, I agree entirely, which

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
well I wish ms would put the old style progress bars back in thats about the only thing I miss on 8 and in fact ie9 and up. At 03:04 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi Dallas, Correct. One of the things Windows 8 brings to the table regarding accessibility is Microsoft Narrator is vastly improved over

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I agree dark. I have a couple of really good toshiba laptops the xp one is a bit flaky in the hardware which is why I am moving to 7. However now I have it I have no compunction to use it full time. In fact I won't be doing that. My plan is to eventually set the system up as a mirror backup of

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I will be happy to ditch xp once all devs stop using vb6. till that time I couldn't give a stuff! At 01:42 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi, on top of all this, there is one simple thing to look at. Look at the main gaming industry. There are a lot of games out there that do not support anything les

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
30, 2013 8:24 AM To: "Gamers Discussion list" Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Well were you live you might be able to get another xp box, but here in the states those are memories. The shops and stores sense win7 came out now support that op and won&#x

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
hmmm draconis you got me thinking on that one. I may have one of those it even has an old analog card. its my grandpas right now but he hardly uses it. its a single core though, so won't run everything but if I ever needed it I could use it for gaming. As for keeping it off the net that would be

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
thats true tom which was one reason I was gunning for an upgrade. At 01:03 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Hi, Not only that, but the problem for people wanting to maintain XP after 2014 is hardware support. After next year most hardware manufacturers will no longer be providing drivers for sound cards

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
Hi tom. Don't take this wrongly but I know several devs jim kitchen, aprone, I think gma maybe a few more that still use 6. If all devs dropped 6 and went to whatever I would have no issue with upgrading! Yes I realise some of them are upgrading but not all. You guys need to realise that the on

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Why on earth would you go after Bill Gates, LOL. He no longer has very much to do with Microsoft. Most of everything has passed on to other people long ago. LOL Perhaps you should track down the people responsible for the changes you don't like, and chase them down and kidnap them. Heheheheheheh

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
I aggree with you dark. In fact if the right arrow on the keyboard did not break ocationally and the cpu lock every so often I wouldn't have got insurance by getting another unit. Though this unit is better it has its own keyboard and sound issues and itself it issues, the speakers are a bit s

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Thomas Ward
Hi Charles, When it comes to this issue of developers verses users I think you are forgetting that audio game developers are users too. Since we intend to use anything we write as well as sell it the technology we have access to and use on a daily basis will largely influence what we make availab

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Dallas O'Brien
Unfortunately, one problem with the touchscreen idea, is that as of yet, it's not as effective in windows as we would probably like. Certainly not as usable as an iPhone, or a Mac with a touchpad. However, I'm sure that this will increase as time goes by. NVDA is getting there, but it still quit

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Dallas O'Brien
As an interesting note, for those using Windows 8, pressing the Windows key and x, will bring up the power users menu. This includes the Control Panel, command prompt, command prompt with administrator privileges, and power options, and many other various power user selections. It's not an obvio

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread shaun everiss
Well I have both. so yeah I can do whatever I want. eventually I will get a vm this new box can run vms via hardware aparently. At 12:24 AM 5/1/2013, you wrote: Well were you live you might be able to get another xp box, but here in the states those are memories. The shops and stores sense win7

Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows

2013-04-30 Thread Charles Rivard
ssage - From: "Thomas Ward" To: "Gamers Discussion list" Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 4:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] challenge for developers, post xp windows Hi Charles, Yes there is. The thing to understand about Windows 8 here is Microsoft is basically combining the deskt

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