Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread steve smith
Sabine H. snarked this at me... and I responded by trying to read through the AI hype sprinkled with Quantum Dust...  I think it is (obliquely?) relevant to our Consciousness Maunderings here. QUALL-E, a quantum computer running a human-level artificial intelligence algorithm, who has obs

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, Steve, While I might draw back from saying that George Peter Tremblay, IV, is my friend, I sure would cop to the admission that he is my buddy. The term, "buddy", was introduced to me years ago as a label for a kind of narrow or incomplete friendship that surrounds a particular activity, as in

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Stephen Guerin
Nick, George as dinner guest: https://youtu.be/BsF9tgtLk1U?si=uryJ05y7Ok77nJYi CEO Founder, Simtable.com stephen.gue...@simtable.com Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab stephengue...@fas.harvard.edu mobile: (505)577-5828 On Mon, Jul 8, 2

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread steve smith
I find this nicely referential to Jeff Hawkins (Palm Pilot, Redwood) SensoriMotor learning based in his (poorly named?) 1000 Brains theory and his (new to me) concept/project of applying those Neurological Models of the NeoCortex to developing AI. https://spectrum.ieee.org/jeff-hawkins On

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread steve smith
NLT - I believe my regular Bar Buddy - Gussie Preston Tumbleroot IV is Tremblay's 2nd cousin twice removed? Gussie, like George is a great "noodling buddy" but I can't be sure but what he might be an enabler of my ideaphoric habits. SG & I have tried some group discussions with Gussie and G

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
i am moved by the romance and beauty of your account, but ultimately left hungry for experiences I can put my foot on. You and I are clearly inclined to disagree, and I was raised to experience disagreement as a discomfort.. So how then are we to precede. I think, not withstandijng Goethe and Cer

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Prof David West
I must respectively disagree. Our ancestors—before they had 'words' communicated multiple worlds, of "reality" like last weeks hunt and "alt-reality" gods and demons and spirits, o my! (allusion to wizard of Oz). All with song and cave art, no words. I am pretty certain they were conscious and

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Santafe
I have wondered, Dave, why you say no words: I think of cave art as being ~40kA ago. Similarly for preserved footprints that have been interpreted as dance. Mitochondrial modernity probably ~250kA, and Y-chromosome ~100kA, with considerable errors. European cave art presumably followed out-

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Eric Smith
Nick sed: > So, what facts of the matter convince you that one or more languages are > essential for meta awareess. Or is it elf-evident You could do as the linguists do and look for minimal pairs: The obvious low-hanging fruit is sleeping/awake. Everybody knows that one and uses it, and pro

Re: [FRIAM] Why the Mystery of Consciousness Is Deeper Than We Thought

2024-07-08 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
The role of language in achieving meta-awareness explores the nuanced distinctions between mechanistic descriptions of awareness and the richer, more integrated experiences of consciousness, such as those observed in animals. While mechanistic explanations are valid, they often lack the depth to ca