Re: [FRIAM] "Layers of the atmosphere do not mix.""

2021-09-15 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Related: Why the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans Don't Mix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U93QRMcQU5Y On Wed, 15 Sept 2021 at 17:08, wrote: > > https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/conus_band.php?sat=G16&band=GEOCOLOR&length=24 > > Notice how the layers slide over one another in TX this morning,

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Eric Charles
Dave might be accurate in his self-assessment - i.e., that he would put it on a shelf after a while. I'm pretty sure the $50 billion industry suggests that many would not. Though, maybe they would put their first one on the shelf, and only come back to it intermittently for nostalgic reasons, while

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
The whole goals, functions, and its relation to pleasure or evolution is something you forced on to this topic.Since you insist, there can be useful reasons to stimulate pleasure centers. One might have sex just to spin up their nervous or cardiovascular systems a bit. Sugar, caffeine, s

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, everyone [who is still following this thread]. Before I go back on my meds, I just thought I would send along this link . I should perhaps be embarrassed at sending a HuffPost link, but the summary of the old Olds/Milner resea

Re: [FRIAM] Random Evolutions

2021-09-15 Thread Roger Frye
Wait a minute. I thought this was the Reuben thread, not the wild dream thread. On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 4:52 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > Reuben and Richard's article is wonderful and has given me a new > appreciation for capacitory potential (a concept that can often appear > dry). Walking back from

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
One could mimic the raw signals from sexual organs, or one could mimic the internal signals that are derived from those signals, that integrate with relevant context that create the perception of loving feelings and their “meaning”. Like in the dreams that have been discussed recently, the se

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
So now you were being ironic? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 7:25 PM wrote: > Ach! I always said there was no irony west of the 100th meridian. > > > > n > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https:

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Ach! I always said there was no irony west of the 100th meridian. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, S

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
The point of the brain helmet is to add more compute power to a mind, to distribute a mind or communicate amongst minds, and the possibility of more kinds of signals into those mind(s). One dumb use case would be the one you mention. A use case is completely redundant with the many devices th

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Yes, but WHY? Probably time for me to figure out what my point is, here. First of all, we are deep in the epiphenomenon, spandrel, intensionality, blah-blah-blah perplex here, Pleasures are pleasures because the mean something, and if you disconnect the pleasure from the thing it means …

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=M63C14437rQ On Sep 15, 2021, at 5:33 PM, Eric Charles wrote:  Nick man sometimes you are so old and Puritanical-New-England-ey it is hilarious. "Hey everyone! Let's imagine that there wasn't a $50 billion dollar industry producing sex toy... ok... if tha

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Eric Charles
Nick man sometimes you are so old and Puritanical-New-England-ey it is hilarious. "Hey everyone! Let's imagine that there wasn't a $50 *billion* dollar industry producing sex toy... ok... if that didn't exist, how would we invent one?" Like should I send you links of people in public p

Re: [FRIAM] Random Evolutions

2021-09-15 Thread Jon Zingale
Reuben and Richard's article is wonderful and has given me a new appreciation for capacitory potential (a concept that can often appear dry). Walking back from Bosque brewery, hallucinations flood my mind of Tesla coils and charge distributed harmonically from a boundary here to an ineffable bounda

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
I enjoyed the 1995 Kathryn Bigelow movie Strange Days. It was before the days of ubiquitous wireless connectivity. From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:46 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation ar

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Or Dave may access a natural language processing engine to do a lot of the writing as well. Wetware Dave may apply act as the editor between sips on his cocktail, sitting by the pool, which he really isn’t sitting by, but that is being broadcast into his sensory nerves. From: Friam On Behalf O

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Prof David West
Dave thinks he is writing a user manual for that which he deems his mind and that which seems to be his body — the two are, of course, inextricably entwined and not separate in any real sense. So what he has 'learned' is the "text and illustrations on the next page of the user manual." davew

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
Pieter - The initial safety and efficacy report was published in the New England Journal of Medicine at the end of 2020, https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577, it has smoother language and inline graphics. It also has fewer deaths in the treatment group than in the control group, bu

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
The personal is boring. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:36 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc Marcus, Dave, No. I seriously can’t [see the value]. Well, perhaps as a sci

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Marcus, Dave, No. I seriously can’t [see the value]. Well, perhaps as a scientific exploration, but not as a personal one. No. I am too besotted with Shirley. So, when Dave has put the helmet up on the shelf and turned to other things, what exactly has he learned? And what has he lea

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Cognitive enhancement, telepathy.. Can you seriously not see the potential? From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 12:02 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc Marcus, Marcus, Marcus ….

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Prof David West
As you might expect — of course I would buy it. I would attempt to experience each permutation of its settings, systematically, not randomly, and then probably put it on the shelf. I would also buy a device that delivered variations in pain stimuli, in the hope that it might lead to an underst

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Marcus, Marcus, Marcus …. I am talking about a brain device. A little helmet you clamp on your head and flip a switch. Would you (the hypothetical, you, not the actual one) buy it, and WHY? Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
The genius of this luxury market, esp. for women, is that they simply attach it to other health and lifestyle products, and have celebrities like Gwyneth Paltrow put it in their online catalogs. This is contrast to the similar services for men, that creates less thoughtful products like Cement

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
OK. So stipulate that I am naïve. Now the question becomes, “Have you bought it? And why?” Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Danie

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
It sounds like an expensive investment to develop for what is already a saturated market. (In case you weren’t aware.) A much better product would be one that produced feelings of love, or a product that created and maintained intense concentration. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gm

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
Ok. Imagine a device that would produce, at command, an orgasm. Imagine further that it had settings that could be tweaked to produce different intensities and kinds of orgasm. Imagine finally that it has a randomization setting. Imagine that it costs 49.95, 30 day money back guarantee.

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
I think the Flow TD-NIRS system is like $50k for now, but it isn’t really buyable yet.The Flux magnetometer system would be in the millions, I think. Nothing beats implanted wires! From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:46 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subje

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
In table S4 (supplementary material), there are two cases of death attributed to COVID-19 in the placebo case, and none to BNT162b2. There are other unrelated causes of death in the cohort. Also the causes of death are from dose 1 to unblinding, so there is the possibility that antibodies wo

[FRIAM] "Layers of the atmosphere do not mix.""

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/conus_band.php?sat=G16 &band=GEOCOLOR&length=24 Notice how the layers slide over one another in TX this morning, slick as grease. n - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
EricS I hope everything you have said is wildly right. If the last year has revealed anything it is how fragile are our networks of trust. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.cl

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread thompnickson2
FRANK, Could you forward this thread to Bruce Simon? It is, after all, right in his wheelhousewell, at least on his deck. Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, Septemb

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Steve Smith
On 9/15/21 3:46 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Well, I love Rebecca (and the rest of the hard-nosed skeptics) who regularly > trashes things like homeopathy > (https://skepchick.org/2021/09/us-politicians-want-less-regulations-on-snake-oil-medicine-during-a-pandemic/). > But there's some confusion aroun

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Prof David West
Well channeled glen. RE: Steve Smith's electro-stim experimentation> 90% of what is known and written about such devices and the experiences they induce — far more than mere pain relief — can be found in a totally "non-respectable" domain — sex. For every TENS unit sold to someone like Steve, 1

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread Steve Smith
On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > See kernel.com Yeh, like that...   plenty of what looks like slick pre-release hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area is in a virtuous feedback loop.   A quick gander didn't present me with any numbers but the gear l

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
Thank you Eric. On Wed, 15 Sep 2021, 9:00 am David Eric Smith, wrote: > Pieter, > > On its own, I don’t think the statement means anything. You have to know > what the cohort was and what the null model was. I think that in all these > trials, to be seeking approval for multiple age groups, th

Re: [FRIAM] Could this possibly be true?

2021-09-15 Thread David Eric Smith
Pieter, On its own, I don’t think the statement means anything. You have to know what the cohort was and what the null model was. I think that in all these trials, to be seeking approval for multiple age groups, they must have tested in multiple age groups as well. Sometimes old people die,

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, I love Rebecca (and the rest of the hard-nosed skeptics) who regularly trashes things like homeopathy (https://skepchick.org/2021/09/us-politicians-want-less-regulations-on-snake-oil-medicine-during-a-pandemic/). But there's some confusion around "placebo" versus "non-specific" effects. T

Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc

2021-09-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $
Well, things are turning around a bit, I think: ‘What Cannot Be Tolerated’ https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2021/09/14/syracuse-offers-unequivocal-support-targeted-professor But this: Did Justice Barrett Say She Was "Concerned About Public Perception of [the] Supreme Court"? https://reason.c