As you might expect — of course I would buy it. I would attempt to experience each permutation of its settings, systematically, not randomly, and then probably put it on the shelf.
I would also buy a device that delivered variations in pain stimuli, in the hope that it might lead to an understanding of how pain can induce mystical/transcendent "states." Most mystical traditions have this kind of thread along with meditation, drugs, and others. I channel my Nietzche via Hesse, e.g. **"Those who are too lazy and comfortable to think for themselves and be their own judges obey the laws.**** ****Others sense their own laws within them." **Herman Hesse. davew On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, at 11:20 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Ok. Imagine a device that would produce, at command, an orgasm. Imagine > further that it had settings that could be tweaked to produce different > intensities and kinds of orgasm. Imagine finally that it has a randomization > setting. Imagine that it costs 49.95, 30 day money back guarantee. > > Would you buy it? > > Does this have to do with the Shirley/Kaye Sera dimension Glen and I were > talking about? (I think Glen was the one amongst you clods that got that > joke.) We who are in love with Shirley would never touch it; you > Kaye-lovers would buy it, I suppose. Does it have anything to do with lack > of respect for the decisions that Evolution has made for you? Is the > Shirley/Kaye distinction a version of the Apollonian/Dionysian distinction? > I hope that Dave West, priest as he is at the Temple of Kaye, with straighten > me out on my Nietzsche. See also, **Patterns of Culture > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Benedict#Patterns_of_Culture>** > > N > > Nick Thompson > thompnicks...@gmail.com > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > I think the Flow TD-NIRS system is like $50k for now, but it isn’t really > buyable yet. The Flux magnetometer system would be in the millions, I > think. Nothing beats implanted wires! > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:46 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > > On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> See kernel.com > Yeh, like that... plenty of what looks like slick pre-release > hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area > is in a virtuous feedback loop. A quick gander didn't present me with any > numbers but the gear looks pretty pricey... probably the stuff of a future > motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go into a > skid/fall/tumble! > > > >> >>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: >>> Glen- >>>> Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than >>>> drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like >>>> transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally >>>> different from connectivity drugs. Implants would be even better for >>>> interacting with that hairball of [intero|proprio]ceptive feedback loops >>>> that compose consciousness as well as pain. >>> I've been dabbling with transcutaneous electro neural stim and electro >>> muscular stim (TENS/EMS) primarily for pain and rehab (Mary's recent >>> back/leg pain/dysfunction), trying to work it into the VR/AR simulacral >>> artifacts I already fiddle with in Visual/Aural/CheapHaptics. >>> >>> The accessibility of VR/AR gear (HUD/HMD/GPU/CPU) has already overshot my >>> wildest dreams of a couple of decades ago I fiddled with EEG pickups 20 >>> years ago but it was too early or at least there was a metaphorical >>> impedance mismatch of sorts. I've NOT dabbled with transcranial magnetic >>> stimulation... I don't even know if it is accessible. I am curious >>> (guardedly hopeful) that these things are maturing at a pop/commercial >>> level faster/better than at the professional level. There may well be a >>> crowd-sourced ensemble exploration underway right now. >>> >>> Regarding your *muscaria/fly agaric* aspirations, I'm hearing something >>> more like homeopathy or law-of-similars since the "fly" in *fly agaric* >>> comes from etymologically the habit of using it to poison flies by infusing >>> it in milk to attract flies. Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of >>> my observations here *are* tangents?). >>> >>> - Steve >>> >>>> So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more >>>> adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. >>>> I've always wanted to try to fly by painting myself with muscaria. >>>> >>>> On 9/14/21 11:03 AM, Prof David West wrote: >>>>> Glen: /Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more >>>>> diverse, drugs than I do./ >>>>> >>>>> Diversity of *_/experiences/_*, not just drugs!! >>> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >>> >> >> - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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