So now you were being ironic? --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505
505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Wed, Sep 15, 2021, 7:25 PM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ach! I always said there was no irony west of the 100th meridian. > > > > n > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 9:21 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > The point of the brain helmet is to add more compute power to a mind, to > distribute a mind or communicate amongst minds, and the possibility of more > kinds of signals into those mind(s). One dumb use case would be the one > you mention. A use case is completely redundant with the many devices that > are already available. > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of * > thompnicks...@gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:10 PM > *To:* 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > Yes, but WHY? > > > > Probably time for me to figure out what my point is, here. First of all, > we are deep in the epiphenomenon, spandrel, intensionality, blah-blah-blah > perplex here, Pleasures are pleasures because the mean something, and if > you disconnect the pleasure from the thing it means … disconnect the red > fluff on brown wire from the thing it means to the male robin … you get the > bird attacking the fluff and no territory defended. > > > > I thought we were talking about a direct brain stimulation that produced > orgasmic pleasure. So all your industry—salacious as it might be -- is > irrelevant, no? And so is my puritanism. > > > > What is not irrelevant – if indeed it is still regarded as valid science – > is that ancient study with rats that involved wires in the “pleasure” > center of the brain. Unless my Puritan Brain remembers falsely, the rats > just went on pressing the bar until they starved to death. The > evolutionary meaning of pleasure is what it leads you to do. Everything > else is just spandrel. > > > > Nick > > > > > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:31 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > Nick.... man.... sometimes you are so old and Puritanical-New-England-ey > it is hilarious. "Hey everyone! Let's imagine that there wasn't a $50 > *billion* dollar industry producing sex toy... ok... if that didn't > exist, how would we invent one?" > > > > Like.... should I send you links of people in public places with gadgets > (remote controlled by premium-level paying fans) inserted in various > orifices? It's a whole genera. > > > • Size of the global sex toy market 2019-2026 | Statista > <https://www.statista.com/statistics/587109/size-of-the-global-sex-toy-market/> > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:20 PM <thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ok. Imagine a device that would produce, at command, an orgasm. Imagine > further that it had settings that could be tweaked to produce different > intensities and kinds of orgasm. Imagine finally that it has a > randomization setting. Imagine that it costs 49.95, 30 day money back > guarantee. > > > > Would you buy it? > > > > Does this have to do with the Shirley/Kaye Sera dimension Glen and I were > talking about? (I think Glen was the one amongst you clods that got that > joke.) We who are in love with Shirley would never touch it; you > Kaye-lovers would buy it, I suppose. Does it have anything to do with lack > of respect for the decisions that Evolution has made for you? Is the > Shirley/Kaye distinction a version of the Apollonian/Dionysian > distinction? I hope that Dave West, priest as he is at the Temple of Kaye, > with straighten me out on my Nietzsche. See also, *Patterns of Culture > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Benedict#Patterns_of_Culture>* > > > > N > > > > Nick Thompson > > thompnicks...@gmail.com > > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Marcus Daniels > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 1:02 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > I think the Flow TD-NIRS system is like $50k for now, but it isn’t really > buyable yet. The Flux magnetometer system would be in the millions, I > think. Nothing beats implanted wires! > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Smith > *Sent:* Wednesday, September 15, 2021 6:46 AM > *To:* friam@redfish.com > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] the cancellation arc > > > > > > On 9/14/21 6:01 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > See kernel.com > > Yeh, like that... plenty of what looks like slick pre-release > hype-by-allusion, yet undeniably evidence that the development in this area > is in a virtuous feedback loop. A quick gander didn't present me with any > numbers but the gear looks pretty pricey... probably the stuff of a > future motorcycle/bicycle/climbing helmet to upload your brain as you go > into a skid/fall/tumble! > > > > > > On Sep 14, 2021, at 4:40 PM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> > <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > > Glen- > > Ha! Well, not for me. I'm a technophile. Even more important than > drug-induced experiences are those induced by other technologies like > transcranial magnetic stimulation, which I don't regard as fundamentally > different from connectivity drugs. Implants would be even better for > interacting with that hairball of [intero|proprio]ceptive feedback loops that > compose consciousness as well as pain. > > I've been dabbling with transcutaneous electro neural stim and electro > muscular stim (TENS/EMS) primarily for pain and rehab (Mary's recent > back/leg pain/dysfunction), trying to work it into the VR/AR simulacral > artifacts I already fiddle with in Visual/Aural/CheapHaptics. > > The accessibility of VR/AR gear (HUD/HMD/GPU/CPU) has already overshot my > wildest dreams of a couple of decades ago I fiddled with EEG pickups 20 > years ago but it was too early or at least there was a metaphorical > impedance mismatch of sorts. I've NOT dabbled with transcranial magnetic > stimulation... I don't even know if it is accessible. I am curious > (guardedly hopeful) that these things are maturing at a pop/commercial > level faster/better than at the professional level. There may well be a > crowd-sourced ensemble exploration underway right now. > > Regarding your *muscaria/fly agaric* aspirations, I'm hearing something > more like homeopathy or law-of-similars since the "fly" in *fly agaric* > comes from etymologically the habit of using it to poison flies by infusing > it in milk to attract flies. Maybe this is entirely a tangent (most of > my observations here *are* tangents?). > > - Steve > > So, I'll leave the sweat lodges and eating of wiggling things to more > adventurous types like you. But the drugs need not be orally administered. > I've always wanted to try to fly by painting myself with muscaria. > > > > On 9/14/21 11:03 AM, Prof David West wrote: > > Glen: /Were I fully liberated, I'd be doing a lot more, and a lot more > diverse, drugs than I do./ > > > > Diversity of *_/experiences/_*, not just drugs!! > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > > - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >
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