On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:18 PM, Scott Delamater
wrote:
> I hope I don't come across as snippy, but is it normal to have a lot of
> discussion within a VOTE thread? It seems to turn that VOTE callout into a
> false alarm.
>
> Just wondering about typical procedures
People should just change t
I hope I don't come across as snippy, but is it normal to have a lot of
discussion within a VOTE thread? It seems to turn that VOTE callout into a
false alarm.
Just wondering about typical procedures.
sD
On Jan 15, 2012 2:39 AM, "Peter Elst" wrote:
> > Because I have created a Apache Flex Logo
> Because I have created a Apache Flex Logo proposal
> myself I should NOT be able to [VOTE] - even though I am
> PPMC member. IMHO the same rule should apply to other
> [LOGO] creators, too.
>
I guess that is assuming PPMC members would vote for their own proposal,
don't think that is necessaril
Because I have created a Apache Flex Logo proposal
myself I should NOT be able to [VOTE] - even though I am
PPMC member. IMHO the same rule should apply to other
[LOGO] creators, too.
-- Sebastian
On Jan 15, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Matthew Poole wrote:
> I saw your post and figured you'd got my
I saw your post and figured you'd got my meaning.
Thanks
Matt
On 14 January 2012 23:01, Michael Schmalle wrote:
>
> BTW,
>
> Doug brought this up today and you might have read the post. I wrote a
> thread called [LOGO INFO] replying to the group. I didn't quite address
> your real issue (multip
BTW,
Doug brought this up today and you might have read the post. I wrote a
thread called [LOGO INFO] replying to the group. I didn't quite
address your real issue (multiple submissions). This is possible with
numbering the same name in the title of separate threads.
When I originally re
Cool.
On 14 Jan 2012 13:08, "Michael Schmalle" wrote:
> Hi,
>
> """
> Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a proposal
> that can be tweaked and cemented into it's final published form.
> """
>
> Note the rules say "design" not logo. What you are worried about is not an
Hi,
"""
Note: The design as accepted by popular vote will be treated as a
proposal that can be tweaked and cemented into it's final published
form.
"""
Note the rules say "design" not logo. What you are worried about is
not an issue.
AIt has also been stated that the url that was submit
Incidentally, many of the logos on the submissions page have multiple
variations. How would the voters know the are voting for the
same variation of a specific logo?
Might not be important, but perhaps we should have stipulated that the
entrants provide one variation only per submission, but allow
On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:44 AM, Rui Silva wrote:
> Alex,
>
>> IMHO, the PPMC is that set of managers and should make the final
> decision.
>> It sounds like we have some folks who understand branding issues
> commenting
>> on the submissions. I think that's enough information for the PPMC to
>
January 2012 21:54
> To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] PPMC members to decide voting procedure
>
>
>
>
> On 1/12/12 11:01 AM, "Randy Troppmann" wrote:
>
> > -1
> >
> > That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> &g
21:54
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] PPMC members to decide voting procedure
On 1/12/12 11:01 AM, "Randy Troppmann" wrote:
> -1
>
> That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> at what they do, I don't think they
A couple of suggestions about the logo voting:
1. If you go for PMC-only voting, if possible I would recommend you use
surveymonkey or some other online service to take the votes in a way that
the tally cannot be seen until the end, so as not to advantage the final
voters. For example,
João,
> Alex I agree that PPMC should always have the last word regarding which
> logo is selected but we (non-binding folks) should be allowed to cast a
> non-binding vote.
>
> João Fernandes
I don't think anyone can prevent you from doing that in here! You just vote and
the PPMC will decide by
Alex,
> IMHO, the PPMC is that set of managers and should make the final
decision.
> It sounds like we have some folks who understand branding issues
commenting
> on the submissions. I think that's enough information for the PPMC to
go
> with. A popular vote in these circumstances is not cont
Doug,
> I'd assume that anyone who submitted a logo (either PPMC-member or not,
> depending on who is allowed to vote) would abstain from voting?
I would assume that too, which is one of the reasons I've not yet submitted
a proposal myself.
Rui
On 1/12/12 2:19 PM, "João Fernandes"
wrote:
> Alex I agree that PPMC should always have the last word regarding which
> logo is selected but we (non-binding folks) should be allowed to cast a
> non-binding vote.
My assumption is that we'd cut off new entries, start a VOTE thread and
non-bindin
> Alex I agree that PPMC should always have the last word regarding which
> logo is selected but we (non-binding folks) should be allowed to cast a
> non-binding vote.
agreed, and that is how the Apache voting system works - anybody can vote,
even if it is technically non-binding. I also imagin
On 1/12/2012 9:53 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
in branding who, I suspect, offer a small
set of choices that some other group of managers, who are not specialists,
choose from. It is not put out to popular vote among the employees of Adobe
or the public.
IMHO, the PPMC is that set of managers and s
On 1/12/12 11:01 AM, "Randy Troppmann" wrote:
> -1
>
> That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> at what they do, I don't think they are necessarily experts at
> creating or selecting a logo. There needs to be more voice heard on
> this.
It is my understanding tha
Regardless of what happens, I will base my votes as a PPMC member based on
the results of a Uservoice vote from the community, should such a system be
setup ;)
It's kinda like voting for president of the USA :)
-Nick
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Rick Winscot wrote:
> If a community vote is
If a community vote is desired... I would recommend considering the community vote as stage-one of a two-stage weighted vote. Where voting power is divided between the community and PPMC such that the community voting power can contribute to a single outcome but would not jeaopardi
>
> We could just open up a uservoice for everyone
One thought though is that we don't really want the vote to just turn into
a popularity contest (ie the person with the most twitter followers/blog
readers will garner the most votes just because they can mobilize the most
friends). Not sure if t
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:49 PM, Omar Gonzalez wrote:
> Sorry, I keep forgetting to, but my -1 is binding.
We could just open up a uservoice for everyone and have it open for 24
hours. The decision will be obvious quickly.
--
Jonathan Campos
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Randy Troppmann wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Randy Troppmann
> wrote:
>
> > +1 to be added to vote on
> > this matter :)
>
> my votes are non-binding (sorry to further clutter this thread).
>
Sorry, I keep forgetting to, but my -1 is binding.
-om
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Randy Troppmann wrote:
> >
> > The PPMC members == the initial committers on the project. Yes, that
> would
> > mean that your vote would not count.
> >
>
> -1
>
> That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> at what they do, I don't th
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Randy Troppmann
wrote:
> +1 to be added to vote on
> this matter :)
my votes are non-binding (sorry to further clutter this thread).
How about a vote to see if it should be a public vote? :P
I'm late on the game with contributing to the ASF project, but I'm fully
invested in the future of the product and platform.
Personally, I'd like to have some input on the logo. It's really the only
form of contribution I can give at the mo
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
> All I was trying to do is get it nailed down so there is no cluster bomb
> that turns into two sides. If you notice what I have been doing on this
> list, it has been trying to clear things up and get them cemented so they
> I know I'm
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Doug McCune wrote:
> I'd assume that anyone who submitted a logo (either PPMC-member or not,
> depending on who is allowed to vote) would abstain from voting?
+1
Quoting João Fernandes :
On 12 January 2012 18:52, Randy Troppmann wrote:
> voting limited to PPMC members?
What is PPMC members and does that mean I don't get to vote?
- Randy
PPMC http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html :)
I hope the votes aren't restricted to PPMCs but follow th
With regard to your comment...
"I don't think they are necessarily experts at creating or selecting a logo."
You need to take a look at the resume of some of these people - you'll see that
the PPMC is well qualified for the task at hand. If you feel the need to have a
'voice' in the process - I
I'd assume that anyone who submitted a logo (either PPMC-member or not,
depending on who is allowed to vote) would abstain from voting?
+1
>
> That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> at what they do, I don't think they are necessarily experts at
> creating or selecting a logo. There needs to be more voice heard on
> this.
>
> - Randy
> That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
> at what they do, I don't think they are necessarily experts at
> creating or selecting a logo. There needs to be more voice heard on
> this.
>
I would be in favor of an initial vote by the wider community if
technically poss
>
> The PPMC members == the initial committers on the project. Yes, that would
> mean that your vote would not count.
>
-1
That is nonsense. While the initial commiters are rightly so experts
at what they do, I don't think they are necessarily experts at
creating or selecting a logo. There needs
On 12 January 2012 18:52, Randy Troppmann wrote:
> > voting limited to PPMC members?
>
> What is PPMC members and does that mean I don't get to vote?
>
> - Randy
>
PPMC http://incubator.apache.org/guides/ppmc.html :)
I hope the votes aren't restricted to PPMCs but follow the Apache way where
co
Randy,
The PPMC members == the initial committers on the project. Yes, that would
mean that your vote would not count.
-Nick
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Randy Troppmann
wrote:
> > voting limited to PPMC members?
>
> What is PPMC members and does that mean I don't get to vote?
>
> - Randy
> voting limited to PPMC members?
What is PPMC members and does that mean I don't get to vote?
- Randy
+1 (binding) im with jonathan on this
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From: Jonathan Campos [mailto:jonbcam...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 1:28 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [VOTE] PPMC members to decide voting procedure
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Michael
Quoting Jonathan Campos :
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Michael Schmalle
wrote:
So I agree, Jonathan keeps mentioning user voice? Anybody got opinions on
that, seems like there are two options here ML or user voice. Bertrand is
it ok to use something off list?
I don't see uservoice as
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> So I agree, Jonathan keeps mentioning user voice? Anybody got opinions on
> that, seems like there are two options here ML or user voice. Bertrand is
> it ok to use something off list?
I don't see uservoice as being off list. I see it a
Quoting Michael Schmalle :
> I agree with you, sorry I did the +3, +2 and +1 out of trying to keep a
> positive outlook so logo contestants wouldn't look at a -1 and feel like were
> saying there logo is below grade. I know different cultures see things
> differently.
>
> So I agree, Jonathan
I agree with you, sorry I did the +3, +2 and +1 out of trying to keep
a positive outlook so logo contestants wouldn't look at a -1 and feel
like were saying there logo is below grade. I know different cultures
see things differently.
So I agree, Jonathan keeps mentioning user voice? Anybody
On 1/12/2012 12:09 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
Hi,
1. Is voting not limited to PPMC members?
I think Voting should only be for PPMC members. I guess I give that a -1
2. Whoever votes, votes 3 times in the process described above (order
of preference) (+3(most liked), +2, +1)
This is accep
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Rick Winscot wrote:
> Opening the vote to the community is a nice gesture...
Several years ago when we started the Shale project (now defunct) we
had a logo contest. I don't remember the exact procedure we used. We
allowed both PMC and non-PMC votes, but only the
Opening the vote to the community is a nice gesture... but it would probably be
easier if we consider PPMC / initial commiters as contest judges who's decision
is final.
Consider the recent debacle in New Hampshire... the 'hanging chad' and
so-forth. I would hate to see this turn into a mob or
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:09 AM, Michael Schmalle wrote:
> Make sense? If you do not give a +1 to each entry (except #1), if explain
> your alternative.
-1
I really think we should use uservoice for this voting process as their
service is really well done and then limit the voters to ppmc mem
Hi,
In light of this logo contest I have been wanting to do this.
The vote will last for 72 hours and voted on by existing PPMC
members(binding).
This is my suggestion;
To make this simple as Bertrand has suggested;
Each member gets 3 votes which are a +3, +2, +1, there is no need to
use
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