Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Jun Heider
On Jan 11, 2012, at 12:19 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > Apache seems to have many successful projects using a projectname-user > mailing list and has conventions for lazy consensus. It would be my > preference to try their mechanism and see if we get complaints that > something isn't working for folks

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 8:40 PM, "Michel Boudreau" wrote: > IRC is a place to go to either discuss the technology, ask > a consensus among several flex experts or ask questions pertinant to Flex > that isn't easily accessible through search. It's a place of discussion, > not only of Q&A. In no way should

Re: LOGO

2012-01-10 Thread Samuel Janzen
Hey Erik, i like the icon a lot! I didn't listen to all of your presentation, but it seems to fit the keywords pretty good and is a unique visual! The lettering saying "Apache Flex" would probably look a bit more united with just one font at the same font size. Defenitely a +1! - Samuel 2012/1/

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michel Boudreau
If the "official" tag on the title is the problem, I don't have any issue changing it. However, I personally despise mailing list. I can barely stand this one for the sheer amount of emails, but I'll survive. IRC is a place to go to either discuss the technology, ask a consensus among several fl

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Michel Boudreau
Yeah, I vote for the IRC chan and stackoverflow. I'm active in both and there's a lot of great resources and people there. M On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Jeffry Houser wrote: > > Same place they always have. StackOverflow, the Adobe Flex Forums, and > Flex Coders. > If Adobe is going to

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Ryan Frishberg
Hey Tink, This was something that was discussed a few times at Adobe. The performance penalty of taking 2 display objects is high, so we thought about making either the SkinnableComponent or the Skin not a DisplayObject. In the end, we didn't have enough time to go about to fully investigate it;

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 10, 2012, at 7:35 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: > No apology needed. You did the right thing. You "did something". People > expressed concern so you undid it. It's best to work that way. If we discuss > and vote on every little thing before doing it we'd never get anything done. > So we err on

Re: BlazeDS

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 7, 2012, at 11:54 AM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 1/7/12 2:02 AM, "Anne Kathrine Petterøe" wrote: > >> From the top of my head: >> Would you be able to get enough initial committers for a proposal? > That's one thing I'm worried about. > >> there someone championing the project at A

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
No apology needed. You did the right thing. You "did something". People expressed concern so you undid it. It's best to work that way. If we discuss and vote on every little thing before doing it we'd never get anything done. So we err on the side of doing then undo when necessary. Except of c

Re: LOGO

2012-01-10 Thread Sandeep Gupta
+1 Keep Walking, ~ Sandeep On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:43 PM, Matt LeGrand wrote: > More fun logo ideas: > http://img.skitch.com/20120109-e58tu9kd6ixk7cgdhibya2kypi.png > > Vector zip file: > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/382105/apacheFlexLogo.ai.zip > > -Matt > > -- > Matt LeGrand > 3843 NW 27th Ave

Raising barriers

2012-01-10 Thread Rui Silva
Hi, It's about 2 o'clock in the morning here in Portugal and I just went through the last of today's (yesterday's?) posts on the mailing list and I must confess that having gone through them all in a short period of time it does look like we're trying really hard to find ways this project coul

Re: BlazeDS

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 10, 2012, at 9:57 AM, Nicholas Kwiatkowski wrote: > I'm not quite sure how you would 'merge' the projects. They are completely > different code bases and have a lot features that differ... Also, LGPL licensed software must not be included in Apache release. [1] HTH, Dave [1] http://www

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/10/2012 6:58 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay for it themselves? Why would committers get a free copy? It would certainly be a nice gesture from Ado

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > And since Spoon is a 3rd Party and not Apache Flex. There are rules for > using Apache branding at such a conference. Dave, Thanks for the link. We'd talked to Bertrand prior to a lot of this coming out and he said it was feasible as long a

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Jonathan Campos wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: > >> Johnathan Campos - Apache Flex wants to have a conference in San Francisco >> on the first anniversary of the project. Since you're on the commiters >> list... you'll be donating your

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Jeffry Houser
Same place they always have. StackOverflow, the Adobe Flex Forums, and Flex Coders. If Adobe is going to discontinue / kill the Adobe Flex Forums; I would direct people to Flex-coders for a mailing list. On 1/10/2012 6:43 PM, Brent Arnold wrote: With this discussion of IRC channels and th

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 3:58 PM, "Rick Winscot" wrote: > As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder > versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay for > it themselves? At the summit, there was no question that Adobe was going to > keep releasing t

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 10, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Peter Elst wrote: >> As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder >> versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay >> for it themselves? >> > > I don't see how Flash Builder is related to the Apache Flex incub

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Alex Harui : On 1/10/12 3:36 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: Hearing this from you now it would explain why in the beginning the Spark set was small, lightweight and manageable and then all the sudden the classes got huge and out of control. I would say it wasn't because of an agend

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:58 PM, Rick Winscot wrote: > Johnathan Campos - Apache Flex wants to have a conference in San Francisco > on the first anniversary of the project. Since you're on the commiters > list... you'll be donating your time - pro-bono. Oh... and btw - the > conference can't make

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 3:36 PM, "Michael Schmalle" wrote: > Hearing this from you now it would explain why in the beginning the > Spark set was small, lightweight and manageable and then all the > sudden the classes got huge and out of control. I would say it wasn't because of an agenda per-se. IMHO, the

Re: Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Peter Elst
> As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder > versions? Do committers get a free copy - or will they be expected to pay > for it themselves? > I don't see how Flash Builder is related to the Apache Flex incubator, why would we expect to get copies? Flash Builder is

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Greg Reddin : On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote: What kinds of things get discussed on Struts IRC?  Is there an archive that is searchable? I'm not sure. I've not spent much time there. It might not even be used anymore. I'm worried about confusing folks about wh

Resource Allocation ( was: Flex logo contest )

2012-01-10 Thread Rick Winscot
At some point... sooner or later - we'll have to embrace the notion that resources cost money and that the success of a project may be dependent upon resources other than coding. As an example, what will happen if Adobe keeps cranking out Flash Builder versions? Do committers get a free copy -

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 3:47 PM, "peter.e...@gmail.com" wrote: > When there are Apache Flex releases, I hope we'll have the flex-users > mailinglist in place. For other questions personally don't think Apache is > the place for that. And I have mentioned on the main Adobe forum that folks using Adobe Flex s

Re: ActionScript and Apache Flex

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 3:26 PM, "David Arno" wrote: > I assume you mean here that the mxmlc compiler uses code also found in the > asc compiler? Yes. Actually, these days, it shortcuts that a bit, but that was essentially the original architecture. > I didn't think asc existed as a separate executable t

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:43 PM, Brent Arnold wrote: > Do we want the flex-dev mailing list cluttered with this kind of traffic? No, I don't think so. But it hasn't happened yet, so I suggest we don't do anything about it yet. > I would prefer a forum, rather than a mailing list. And I think an

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Brent Arnold
For example, what is Adobe going to do with their Flex forums, and how will they address peoples questions that come up in the future that clearly relate to Apache Flex (not their Adobe Flex components)? I can't imagine a newbie dev connecting to this list and expecting to find answers to their

Re: Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Peter Elst
> With this discussion of IRC channels and the like, my question is where do > we want people asking basic questions on Flex development? > When there are Apache Flex releases, I hope we'll have the flex-users mailinglist in place. For other questions personally don't think Apache is the place for

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > What kinds of things get discussed on Struts IRC?  Is there an archive that > is searchable? I'm not sure. I've not spent much time there. It might not even be used anymore. > I'm worried about confusing folks about what gets discussed > where

Where should people ask basic development questions?

2012-01-10 Thread Brent Arnold
With this discussion of IRC channels and the like, my question is where do we want people asking basic questions on Flex development? I'm not talking about the discussions we've had so far, where devs are asking about component architecture, suggesting changes to the framework, etc. I'm talkin

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Quentin Le Hénaff
>The basic idea is that our design goals have changed significantly since >Flex 3, and we should design a framework for those new goals and sacrifice >some backward compatibility. Trying to carry all of our legacy forward is >probably not going to make it successful. I totally agree ; I'm a 5-yea

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
On 1/10/12 3:16 PM, "Carlos Rovira" wrote: Alex, IMO, there was a huge necesity for the new spark component set due to multiple problems in MX. God methods with lots of mixed code and without ante separation of concerns that produces lots of lines of code, very poorly design that makes very

[LOGO] Eugene Tjoa

2012-01-10 Thread Eugene Tjoa
My logo designs: http://tjoadesign.nl/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/logo.png http://tjoadesign.nl/afx/logo.ai Thanks! Eugene

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 3:16 PM, "Carlos Rovira" wrote: > Alex, IMO, there was a huge necesity for the new spark component set due to > multiple problems in MX. God methods with lots of mixed code and without > ante separation of concerns that produces lots of lines of code, very > poorly design that makes

RE: ActionScript and Apache Flex

2012-01-10 Thread David Arno
> From: Alex Harui [mailto:aha...@adobe.com] > Sent: 10 January 2012 18:04 > MXMLC and COMPC currently leverage ASC. I believe that Flash Authoring > leverages the same ASC. Flash Authoring has no use for MXMLC > (at least, the MXML compilation). I assume you mean here that the mxmlc compiler

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Stephane Beladaci
I would not give too much credit to Microsoft pulling the plug on Silverlight... Around February 20010 they joined forces with Apple in order to kill Flash, at that point they said plugin is dead, Flash is dead and viva HTML.Then came a new version of Silverlight, at which point they went public an

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Carlos Rovira
+1*10 (so +1 he he ) El martes 10 de enero de 2012, Matthew Poole escribió: > +1 this is an opportunity to release legacy code for the greater good. > > On 10 January 2012 22:29, Alex Harui wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 1/10/12 2:18 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: >> >> > I guess more of a simple ex

Re: BlazeDS

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 1:14 AM, "João Fernandes" wrote: > BTW Alex, is Adobe having someone to keep contributing to BlazeDS once > it's an Apache (sub-)Project? > > João Fernandes One could argue that BlazeDS never had any dedicated staff. It is effectively the underpinnings of DataServices and that

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Carlos Rovira
Alex, IMO, there was a huge necesity for the new spark component set due to multiple problems in MX. God methods with lots of mixed code and without ante separation of concerns that produces lots of lines of code, very poorly design that makes very difficult or impossible to extend the code, etc...

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
I'm sorry about this, I reverted the changes and the site should be back to where I added entries earlier today. Mike On 1/10/12 2:56 PM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it.  I would think we would set u

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 2:56 PM, "Greg Reddin" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it.  I would think we would set >> up a flex-user mailing list instead. > > Perhaps the word "official" is problematic. It's not really official > becau

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Rick Winscot
Jeffry, I participated in the mono-touch and mono-droid betas... Moonlight - will run Silverlight content on Android and at one point Microsoft had announced iOS support. What the status of those projects are now with Microsoft pulling the plug on Silverlight... who knows. -- Rick Winscot

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Peter Elst
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Greg Reddin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it. I would think we would > set > > up a flex-user mailing list instead. > I would prefer a user mailinglist over promoting this IRC channe

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Greg Reddin : On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it.  I would think we would set up a flex-user mailing list instead. Perhaps the word "official" is problematic. It's not really official because it's not supported by Apache.

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it.  I would think we would set > up a flex-user mailing list instead. Perhaps the word "official" is problematic. It's not really official because it's not supported by Apache. Certainly any "officia

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it. I would think we would set > up a flex-user mailing list instead. > Agreed. My biggest issue is the "official" name to it. That more than implies "officialness". Especially an issue for voting.

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Shame on me, I thought I read that saying it was a community resource was > ok. > > That's definitely my fault, should I revert it? IMO, no. If discussion ensues and there doesn't seem to be consensus, revert it. Otherwise we work by lazy

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
I'm not liking it, and have no plans to use it. I would think we would set up a flex-user mailing list instead. On 1/10/12 2:45 PM, "Tink" wrote: > I'm not saying this shouldn't be done, but shouldn't this go through > some kind of vote process/discussion? > > The channel now says its the "Of

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Peter Elst
> Shame on me, I thought I read that saying it was a community resource was > ok. > I also thought there was discussion on this after Bertrand voiced some concerns. That said for other things there was a vote to get it published. - Peter

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Greg Reddin
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:45 PM, Tink wrote: > I'm not saying this shouldn't be done, but shouldn't this go through some > kind of vote process/discussion? Discussion is good if we need it. I don't think a vote is necessary in this case unless there appears to be differences of opinion among the

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Tink
rrr i dunno ;) On 10 Jan 2012, at 22:48, Michael Schmalle wrote: Shame on me, I thought I read that saying it was a community resource was ok. That's definitely my fault, should I revert it? Miek Quoting Tink : I'm not saying this shouldn't be done, but shouldn't this go through s

RE: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Douglas Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Schmalle [mailto:m...@teotigraphix.com] > > Shame on me, I thought I read that saying it was a community resource was > ok. > > That's definitely my fault, should I revert it? Maybe, at least until we get a consensus on what is allowed. I'm one for no

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Shame on me, I thought I read that saying it was a community resource was ok. That's definitely my fault, should I revert it? Miek Quoting Tink : I'm not saying this shouldn't be done, but shouldn't this go through some kind of vote process/discussion? The channel now says its the "Offici

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Done. Mike Quoting Michael Schmalle : I will check this out. Mike Quoting Michel Boudreau : Can one of the committers please add this patch that I created? Feel free to modify text if need be. Warning, I did not actually test this using that metalanguage. Cheers, M Index: content/flex

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Tink
I'm not saying this shouldn't be done, but shouldn't this go through some kind of vote process/discussion? The channel now says its the "Official Apache Flex Channel" but no-one has really commented on that yet have they, except Bertrand with concerns. Does Apache Flex require IRC? That s

Re: ActionScript and Apache Flex

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 10:17 AM, "Matthew Poole" wrote: > Presumably the community could know ahead of time when language features > where proposed. I wouldn't count on lots of advanced notice of new language features. The player will likely continue being backward compatible so existing technology shoul

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Matthew Poole
+1 this is an opportunity to release legacy code for the greater good. On 10 January 2012 22:29, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 1/10/12 2:18 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > > > I guess more of a simple execution. But that is besides the point. I'm > more > > interested in your thoughts to a newer

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
I will check this out. Mike Quoting Michel Boudreau : Can one of the committers please add this patch that I created? Feel free to modify text if need be. Warning, I did not actually test this using that metalanguage. Cheers, M Index: content/flex/irc.mdtext ==

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 2:18 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > I guess more of a simple execution. But that is besides the point. I'm more > interested in your thoughts to a newer component model. I would want to get > a few people going in the same direction on that. I think I am going to put off that discus

Re: IRC Channel link on website?

2012-01-10 Thread Michel Boudreau
Can one of the committers please add this patch that I created? Feel free to modify text if need be. Warning, I did not actually test this using that metalanguage. Cheers, M Index: content/flex/irc.mdtext === --- content/flex/irc.

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Jonathan Campos : On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Alex Harui wrote: Are you looking for proof or more definition on what I'm talking about? I guess more of a simple execution. But that is besides the point. I'm more interested in your thoughts to a newer component model. I would w

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Scott Delamater
Yeah, I think this warrants a new post. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Tink wrote: > On 10 Jan 2012, at 18:28, Stephane Beladaci wrote: > > What about Spark skinning and performance? Does Spark skinning affects >> or not the performance of an application? I personally really like >> Spark and

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Are you looking for proof or more definition on what I'm > talking about? > I guess more of a simple execution. But that is besides the point. I'm more interested in your thoughts to a newer component model. I would want to get a few people go

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
I'm not sure there is a Product team. It is now just a bunch of developers contributing to Apache. So I would say that Adobe is not going to offer a prize. On 1/10/12 1:48 PM, "dusty.jew...@gmail.com" wrote: > On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > >> I'm not going to ask e

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Matthew Poole
+1 this is a volunteer community. On 10 January 2012 21:57, Peter Elst wrote: > > I asked Aaron Houston if the AUG team would like to sponsor this... he > felt > > that this was more in-line with the Product team, so we should ask them. > > > > Not to stir things up but I have the impression the

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 2:03 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > I don't supposed you have a test case for this? Not really. We sort of did that for mx:Button, but that's sort of the degenerate case. Are you looking for proof or more definition on what I'm talking about? -- Alex Harui Flex SDK Team Adobe Sy

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > We could have retro-fitted every MX > component to instantiate a skin class just like Spark and not built up a > whole new component set, > I don't supposed you have a test case for this? -- Jonathan Campos

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 11:32 AM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > > I'm interested to see what ideas you have about a new skinning model. I > like the way spark skinning works so I wouldn't want to lose that. But > interested in what else there is. I'm not sure there is "something else". The Spark skinning mo

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Peter Elst
> I asked Aaron Houston if the AUG team would like to sponsor this... he felt > that this was more in-line with the Product team, so we should ask them. > Not to stir things up but I have the impression there was more or less a consensus and feedback by two of our mentors that the Apache way would

Re: flex upload update?

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Alex Harui : I'm pretty sure God was able to create the world in six days because he didn't have to go through legal. We are now shooting for end of this week. Sorry for the delay, -Alex I can only imagine how your head feels and that silence must be golden to you when you get it.

Re: flex upload update?

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 3:44 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > Sorry for the delay, No worries. Just trying to keep up with it :) As the person that did/is doing much of the legal for Spoon I completely understand that things just take time. -- Jonathan Campos

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Dusty Jewett
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Carol Frampton wrote: > I'm not going to ask either. I don't think there should be a prize. I asked Aaron Houston if the AUG team would like to sponsor this... he felt that this was more in-line with the Product team, so we should ask them.

Re: flex upload update?

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
I'm pretty sure God was able to create the world in six days because he didn't have to go through legal. We are now shooting for end of this week. Sorry for the delay, -Alex On 1/10/12 1:30 PM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > Any update from the Adobe side on getting the source in this week? > >

flex upload update?

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
Any update from the Adobe side on getting the source in this week? Discussing the logo and whiteboard is cool and all, just curious when the source will be pushed. -- Jonathan Campos

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Carol Frampton
On 1/10/12 2 :32PM, "Alex Harui" wrote: > > > >On 1/10/12 10:06 AM, "Michel Boudreau" wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be possible to get Adobe to donate some swag? You know, >> creative suite and the likes? There must be other companies that are >>able >> to donate something if we actually look for

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Paul Evans
> On 1/10/12 10:25 AM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > >> But if someone wants to go create an AIR based FXG/MXML skin editor, more >> power to them. > > Or build their own Eclipse plug-in. Adobe will not bring back FC. If > enough folks in the community want something like it, they are free to st

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Jeffry Houser
On 1/10/2012 2:48 PM, Doug McCune wrote: When was the last time you saw a company move away from Flex to Silverlight or JavaFX? Or make a decision to start a new project using Silverlight or JavaFX instead of Flex? In early 2011 a client chose Silverlight for one of their projects. I was n

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Tink
On 10 Jan 2012, at 18:28, Stephane Beladaci wrote: What about Spark skinning and performance? Does Spark skinning affects or not the performance of an application? I personally really like Spark and tend to prefer skins over lose CSS styling, however I heard from some colleague that Spark skinni

Re: ActionScript and Apache Flex

2012-01-10 Thread Dirk Eismann
The most interesting thing that happened to Java (or more specifically to the JVM) in the last few yeras is how the community came up with solutions on how to improve the platform from the "outside" by not waiting for Sun or Oracle to deliver something. Examples are Groovy and more recently Scala.

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Stephane Beladaci
Velocity, adoption and PR will definitely brings HTML closer however I personally believe that the very nature of W3C standard will always make the HTML5 stack slower to evolve and innovate. Look at Apple currently crippling HTML5 audio and video on iOS Safari to protect its native ecosystem and av

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Doug McCune
> > Flex has no competition in the RIA space I do not consider HTML > remotely close to a RIA technology, All the clients that are specifically deciding to pursue HTML apps instead of Flex apps would beg to differ (and ask any Flex consulting shop and they'll tell you there are *many* clients lik

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Michel Boudreau
Hot Potato! Who wants to take charge on this initiative? M On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > > > > On 1/10/12 10:06 AM, "Michel Boudreau" wrote: > > > Wouldn't it be possible to get Adobe to donate some swag? You know, > > creative suite and the likes? There must be other

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Stephane Beladaci
Flex has no competition in the RIA space I do not consider HTML remotely close to a RIA technology, it's a W3C standard and as such it will never be capable to evolve and innovate as rapidly as other technologies that are not controlled and crippled by competing interest of the giants who all sit a

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Doug McCune
The only competition in the web space is HTML/Javascript, which has practically no tooling whatsoever at this point in time (obviously that's being worked on as we speak). The competition in the mobile space is more varied, with native iOS and Android, as well as HTML/JS packaged up (ie via PhoneGa

Re: Did Flex lost contact to its investors?

2012-01-10 Thread Dirk Eismann
really depends on the client I think. We got some inquiries recently, the biggest was some 100+ days of pure Flex work - and they *did* know the full story, but they also know there's no alternative for them. Other clients did not knew the story, we told them because we think it's fair to tell it

Code and Copyright ( was: Logo Contest information )

2012-01-10 Thread Rick Winscot
That sentiment is growing more and more... legal-folks are starting to see software development as 'creative juices' expressed digitally and not just IP. However, there are three decades worth of precent that needs massaging to bring coding on-par with a field like graphic design. Code can be c

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Sebastian Mohr
I am seeing the risk that Flex won't be as competitive with comparable RIA technologies and tools already out there (see diagram): http://code.google.com/p/masuland/wiki/WhatsWrongWithFlex#1.1._Comparing_Flex_with_the_Fellows Therefore, I am seeing the need that there must be some kind of Flas

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
The community can decide that Spark is not where they want to put their energy and decide to put it somewhere else. I plan to use my whiteboard space for that something else. I like your direction Alex. I plan to check out what you have going the minute you commit it. Mike

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Jonathan Campos
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Alex Harui wrote: > IMHO, we could have retro-fitted a new skinning model onto the MX > components in less time. > I'm interested to see what ideas you have about a new skinning model. I like the way spark skinning works so I wouldn't want to lose that. But inte

Re: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 10:06 AM, "Michel Boudreau" wrote: > Wouldn't it be possible to get Adobe to donate some swag? You know, > creative suite and the likes? There must be other companies that are able > to donate something if we actually look for it, like JetBrains for IntelliJ > or FDS, or some of t

Re: LOGO - Doug McCune

2012-01-10 Thread Csomák Gábor
my favourite is the x icon with the black bg. great work. On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 8:05 PM, Michael Schmalle wrote: > Quoting Doug McCune : > > Here's my final logo submission: >> >> Preview: http://dougmccune.com/flexlogo/apache_flex_logo_dmccune.jpg >> Full source assets: >> http://dougmccune.

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 10:13 AM, "Doug McCune" wrote: > Yeah, you and Michael make the point that Spark is a good improvement > regardless of Fc, and I wasn't really trying to argue that it wasn't. I was > more lamenting the fact that a large amount of brainpower and man-hours > went into getting things c

Re: Petition: Flash Catalyst must survive

2012-01-10 Thread Alex Harui
On 1/10/12 10:25 AM, "Jonathan Campos" wrote: > But if someone wants to go create an AIR based FXG/MXML skin editor, more > power to them. Or build their own Eclipse plug-in. Adobe will not bring back FC. If enough folks in the community want something like it, they are free to start buildi

Re: LOGO - Doug McCune

2012-01-10 Thread Michael Schmalle
Quoting Doug McCune : Here's my final logo submission: Preview: http://dougmccune.com/flexlogo/apache_flex_logo_dmccune.jpg Full source assets: http://dougmccune.com/flexlogo/apache_flex_logo_dmccune.ai BTW, added my name into the subject just to keep discussions about logos easier to separat

Re: LOGO - Doug McCune

2012-01-10 Thread Omar Gonzalez
Just one word... seksi. -omar

LOGO - Doug McCune

2012-01-10 Thread Doug McCune
Here's my final logo submission: Preview: http://dougmccune.com/flexlogo/apache_flex_logo_dmccune.jpg Full source assets: http://dougmccune.com/flexlogo/apache_flex_logo_dmccune.ai BTW, added my name into the subject just to keep discussions about logos easier to separate (rather than everything

RE: Logo Contest information

2012-01-10 Thread Douglas Arthur
> -Original Message- > From: Michel Boudreau [mailto:michelboudr...@gmail.com] > > Wouldn't it be possible to get Adobe to donate some swag? You know, > creative suite and the likes? There must be other companies that are able to > donate something if we actually look for it, like JetBra

Re: unsubscribe mail address fails

2012-01-10 Thread Dave Fisher
On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Rogelio Castillo A. wrote: > Hey, no problem, I know it gets difficult to follow the list with the current > activity. I just wanted to express my concern about it, I know when JIRA is > up, contributing will be much easier and organised. Your patch is certainly a

Re: unsubscribe mail address fails

2012-01-10 Thread Rogelio Castillo A.
Hey, no problem, I know it gets difficult to follow the list with the current activity. I just wanted to express my concern about it, I know when JIRA is up, contributing will be much easier and organised. Cheers R On 10/01/2012, at 3:37 PM, Douglas Arthur wrote: >> -Original Message-

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