Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
35 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34 > > Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies. > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.o

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread Tom Mandera via EV
Why do we start with an ICE roller and convert it to EV?  Why don't we start by machining some wheels on the lathe, some square tubing for frame rails, start hand laying fiberglass for a body.. It's almost always easier (faster/cheaper) to start with even a flawed initial implementation than

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
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[EVDL] Rant all you want, Tesla is best. Ignore Musk.

2022-12-19 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Lawrence Winiarski via EV
PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34 > > Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies. > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://l

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread Paul Compton via EV
On Mon, 19 Dec 2022 at 19:55, paul dove via EV wrote: > > Allen was the engineer that designed the EV1 drive train for GM. Alan Cocconi designed the twin inverters for the Aerovironment Impact. The EV1 inverter was designed by Hughes Aerospace. Ref; "The Car That Could" -- Paul Compton www.pau

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
al accomplishment. On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 9:35 PM EV List Lackey via EV wrote: > On 18 Dec 2022 at 13:34 > > Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies. > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: &l

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 19 Dec 2022 at 11:56, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > Yeah, the original Tesla Roadster used the ACP design with very little > change. I read somewhere (haven't taken the time to find it again) that rather than license Alan Cocconi's design, Gage and Eberhard reverse-engineered it for the Tesla roa

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread paul dove via EV
chael Ross via EV > wrote: >  >  "Musk isn't a real engineer, and without engineers, Tesla dies." > ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ -- next part

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread (-Phil-) via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 19 Dec 2022 at 12:28, (-Phil-) via EV wrote: > They took ACPs powertrain, Lotus' chassis, and some pretty innovative > laptop 18650 battery packaging Gage and Eberhard / Tesla didn't invent the idea of using massive numbers of laptop cells. I'm not so sure anyone did, as the concept of paral

Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

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Re: [EVDL] Tesla - car company from scratch

2022-12-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread EV List Lackey via EV
On 19 Dec 2022 at 20:44, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: > If Elon hadn't started the EV mass production revolution, some one else > surely would have. But it might have been several years later and might > have been to weak the first time around to not be squashed by the ICE > industry. "Someone e

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Bob Bath via EV
This entire thread is at once spot.on, and amusing. I’m 57, so I remember GM crapping on the EV movement with their proprietary Magnecharge system; lease-only EV-1, and lobbying against clean air mandates. It disgusted me and I vowed never to buy GM. Fast forward 30 years. I have a 20 GM Bo

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread John Lussmyer via EV
On 12/19/2022 2:16 PM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: Tesla's primary "innovation" was making an EV that appealed to rich folks, especially celebrity greens awash in excess cash. Those gadgets and gimmicks were part of the appeal. Actually, I think his main innovation was how to BUILD cars ec

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Mr. Sharkey via EV
> In a way, he acts like a dictator Oh, interesting. At the risk of throwing this discussion off-topic (hell, it's already bouncing off the guardrails as-is): Whenever I hear the term "dictator" tossed around casually, I encourage people to examine the origins of the term, and the several i

Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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Re: [EVDL] Tesla accepting CCS

2022-12-19 Thread Michael Ross via EV
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